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W wine+artMember
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Originally posted by Jabe11:
Interesting to read about the Gagosian/Hirst split. I think Damian has the last laugh, and laughing all the way to teh bank.


I'm confident both Larry and Damien made many many trips to the bank.

It is very complicated due to Hirst going around Larry and all galleries in 2009 with his Sotheby's direct sale. ( Larry bought heavy) Damien's work has dropped 50% since 2008, and Larry knows this with 1 out of 3 pieces not currently selling.

Larry is the most powerful art broker in the world with great ease, has more space than the Tate Modern and still sells over $1 billion annually. The focus now is postwar and Warhol, Kline, Rothko, Bacon, Lichtenstein, Basquiat et al. are dominating with no peers.

Larry tried moving Damien back to the front with his spot paintings in all 11 of his galleries around the world, but the market has moved.

Damien is worth $500 million, and Larry twice that, so no real losers here.... just ego. Wink
W wine+artMember
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Originally posted by Jabe11:


I am curious; what do you think of Hirst's work...in general?


Well... I think Hirst and the YBA's did help bring back much needed attention to art ( good or bad) to Great Britain, and I also find Damien to be a clever fellow.

I'm not an admirer of his work with some exceptions for sure. The Ritz Carlton Powerscourt ( Ireland) we stayed at had a number of his pieces I enjoyed a great deal, and there were a couple of pieces in Gordan Ramsay's restaurant I had never seen before.

Overall, he is not on my radar, but has been a major force without debate in the art world over the last 20 years.
vintvintMember
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Originally posted by Jabe11:
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Originally posted by wine+art:


Perhaps the portrait gallery tomorrow.


If you do go to the Portrait Gallery, you must see the bust by Marc Quinn of his own head, made with his own blood. One of the most unique pieces I have ever seen. It's in the room next to the gallery's second most interesting portait IMO, that of Julian Opie whose portait appears to breathe and blink.
W wine+artMember
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Originally posted by VinT:
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Originally posted by Jabe11:
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Originally posted by wine+art:


Perhaps the portrait gallery tomorrow.


If you do go to the Portrait Gallery, you must see the bust by Marc Quinn of his own head, made with his own blood. One of the most unique pieces I have ever seen. It's in the room next to the gallery's second most interesting portait IMO, that of Julian Opie whose portait appears to breathe and blink.


Does Quinn have any of his works/worship of Kate Moss there?
vintvintMember
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by VinT:
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Originally posted by Jabe11:
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Originally posted by wine+art:


Perhaps the portrait gallery tomorrow.


If you do go to the Portrait Gallery, you must see the bust by Marc Quinn of his own head, made with his own blood. One of the most unique pieces I have ever seen. It's in the room next to the gallery's second most interesting portait IMO, that of Julian Opie whose portait appears to breathe and blink.


Does Quinn have any of his works/worship of Kate Moss there?


Not that I recall.
S steveyMember
We were at a gallery in the Dempsey Hill district in Singapore and there was an exhibition of these amazing paintings with exquisite fine detail and color, best I've seen in a long time. The artist's name is Anna Berezovskaya - a 20-something painter from near Moscow.

They were large paintings that were listed at $80,000 SGD (about $65,000 US) each. If they were half that, we might consider but not at price (though I'd not be surpised in 10 years it doubles in price or more). Nevertheless, amazing, and she's not even 30 yet!
jabe11jabe11Member
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Originally posted by VinT:
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Originally posted by Jabe11:
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Originally posted by wine+art:


Perhaps the portrait gallery tomorrow.


If you do go to the Portrait Gallery, you must see the bust by Marc Quinn of his own head, made with his own blood. One of the most unique pieces I have ever seen.

Very Hannibal lector-esque. Made me look at my black pudding at breakfast with a little more thought.
glennkglennkMember
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Originally posted by Jabe11:
I have yet to go to the Saatchi; it is on my list.
My flat was pretty close to the Saatchi Gallery and I would walk through it every six months or so. I actually liked the outside of the building much better than the works inside! There are some nice pieces that make you think, but most of them are just not my style. If you like looking at penis, the Saatchi gallery is for you as they showcase them often! They had an installation once that was a bunch of guys clothes on the floor with the title “a bachelors apartment” or something stupid like that. Guess my little brothers messy room is really art??? The café that is attached to is very nice though and you have a great view of the park.
S seaquamMember
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Originally posted by GlennK:

They had an installation once that was a bunch of guys clothes on the floor with the title “a bachelors apartment” or something stupid like that. Guess my little brothers messy room is really art???


It would have been, had YOU thought to present it as such first, and been able to convince the gallery that you deserve a showing.

I had exactly the same reaction a few years ago at the Pompidou. The installation was the inside of an old garage, with spilled oil on the floor, empty gas and antifreeze cans, old tools littering the workbenches, old license plates and old calendars on the walls, etc. A real mess. I think it was called "my father's garage" or something similar. I remember thinking that I could have done that. Unfortunately, I hadn't.

I'm afraid you and I will have to achieve fame and recognition through some other means, Glenn. I'm currently thinking of taking up the decathlon, in which I'm quite certain I'll be very successful.
jabe11jabe11Member
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Originally posted by GlennK:
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Originally posted by Jabe11:
I have yet to go to the Saatchi; it is on my list.
My flat was pretty close to the Saatchi Gallery and I would walk through it every six months or so. I actually liked the outside of the building much better than the works inside! There are some nice pieces that make you think, but most of them are just not my style. If you like looking at penis, the Saatchi gallery is for you as they showcase them often! They had an installation once that was a bunch of guys clothes on the floor with the title “a bachelors apartment” or something stupid like that. Guess my little brothers messy room is really art??? The café that is attached to is very nice though and you have a great view of the park.

LOL! I didn't say it was high on my list! Yes, one of the reasons it is on my list is to see the building itself.
jabe11jabe11Member
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Originally posted by ThistlinTom:
If I wanted to know more about modern art, what would be the best resource? I have started going through a "course" from i-Tunes U about modern art and it is intriguing. It starts with realism and impressionism.

TT, i wouldn't be the best resource on this thread regarding your question, but I suggest you find a modern art museum around your area (the Menil in Houston, for instance, but not sure if it is close to you)....learning about art, you can't beat viewing in person, imho. Also, museum book shops can have a great wealth of available titles. Taschen has a series that are well-priced and cover many different artists and genre. Enjoy.
W wine+artMember
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Originally posted by ThistlinTom:
If I wanted to know more about modern art, what would be the best resource? I have started going through a "course" from i-Tunes U about modern art and it is intriguing. It starts with realism and impressionism.


TT, a BIG question to answer. We should enjoy a bottle of wine and discuss art sometime soon.

Pre-Modern, Modern, Post Modern, NY School, Pop, Contemporary all have different goals, objectives, influences and current status and significance in today's art world.

Modern, think 1906 - 1956 in terms of seminal influence. I find it mandatory to read and understand the question why before you will truly love modern art.

Always remember, art is a language, a form of communication that you often are not familiar with, and you may or may not understand, regardless. Any emotional reaction to said art, regardless if you like or dislike, understand or confused is a successful piece.

Read, read, read, then view, view, view. I will write more, but must run.

DO NOT trust your own instincts, they will often be wrong early in your journey. You here people say, I do not know much about art ( wine) but I know what I like. SO WHAT? Yes, everyone has an opinion, but that has NOTHING to do with what is right, good, or seminal. It is just a poor uninformed and uneducated opinion which is completely meaningless.

Fun topic!
T thistlintomMember
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Originally posted by Jabe11:
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Originally posted by ThistlinTom:
If I wanted to know more about modern art, what would be the best resource? I have started going through a "course" from i-Tunes U about modern art and it is intriguing. It starts with realism and impressionism.

TT, i wouldn't be the best resource on this thread regarding your question, but I suggest you find a modern art museum around your area (the Menil in Houston, for instance, but not sure if it is close to you)....learning about art, you can't beat viewing in person, imho. Also, museum book shops can have a great wealth of available titles. Taschen has a series that are well-priced and cover many different artists and genre. Enjoy.


Jabe,
I agree that seeing the art is important, but I want to get a better understanding of the art and why certain pieces or artists are important. I have seen art by Degas, Monet, Manet, Picasso, Van Gogh, Pollack along with many other artists, but I want to understand it more.

I think the i-tunes U course is helpful, but I was curious as to other sources of information.

Thanks
K ksc02Member
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Originally posted by wine+art:
Read, read, read, then view, view, view.

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Great, great advice. Read the history. Read the books. Get an understanding of the periods throughout history.

That said, just like one needs to taste great wines to understand great wines, you MUST SEE great paintings to understand and truly FEEL them. You'll never get that from seeing them in books. Whenever you get the opportunity GO SEE!
jabe11jabe11Member
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Originally posted by wine+art:

DO NOT trust your own instincts, they will often be wrong early in your journey. You here people say, I do not know much about art ( wine) but I know what I like. SO WHAT? Yes, everyone has an opinion, but that has NOTHING to do with what is right, good, or seminal. It is just a poor uninformed and uneducated opinion which is completely meaningless.

Fun topic!


Against my better judgement, I'll bite Wink

As you say, anyone can have an opinion, but what makes one's opinion superior to another's? More books read? Making more money at criticizing art? More vehement criticism? Someone, who is well-informed, writing that a piece of art is 'good,' does not make the peice 'good.' I agree, however, that the better informed you are, you can develop perhaps a more nuanced or sophisticated approach to what you look for and what you enjoy. Also, to know under what circumstances and what context a piece was created might also allow a better understanding. I try to not be critical of works of art...there is nearly always some purpose, even if the artist may not know expressily what it is...who am i to lambast thier vision? Does it appeal to me is another matter.

What purpose do i have in enjoying art, if any? (um..I'll get back to you on that Razz )
Do i need philisophical questions asked or answered? Does the lack of either constitute a lack of enjoyment, or that i am not 'properly' observing a piece?

Am I searching the artist soul contemplating a piece, or merely his bank account? Or maybe, can one simply enjoy a moment of contemplation not caring either way?

ThistlingTom, I would most certainly recommend you follow your instincts. There are a number of good dvds in existence about the impressionists...maybe your local library has one or two? For me, I love Sister Wendy...I saw Manet's Evening at the Folies-Bergerea couple of years ago, and her words were circling in my head, with a big smile on my face. 2 Cents
Z zonkMember
wine+art, I have not attended this one, but I did have the opportunity to check out a pretty extensive Matisse show at the MoMA way back in the late 80's (wow, now I really feel old). Was definitely one of the cooler exhibits I have ever seen. This one looks like a great exhibit, please let me know if you are heading up for it.
F fcsMember
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Originally posted by wine+art:
Has anyone here attended the current Matisse exhibit at the Met in NYC?

Considered the second greatest artist of the first half of the 20th century, and while I have seen a lot of his work, I have never attended a solo exhibit on the seminal artist.

I'm needing to get up to NYC soon.


Haven't, but looks like a worthy visit!
W wine+artMember
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Originally posted by Zonk:
wine+art, I have not attended this one, but I did have the opportunity to check out a pretty extensive Matisse show at the MoMA way back in the late 80's (wow, now I really feel old). Was definitely one of the cooler exhibits I have ever seen. This one looks like a great exhibit, please let me know if you are heading up for it.


Zonk, it has been too long since we shared wine together.

I trust you and your family are well.
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