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W wine+artMember
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Originally posted by VinToronto:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by VinToronto:


Me too. Commissioning a piece of art is a little unnerving.


I have never been obligated to buy if I did not love a commissioned work. Are you committed, regardless?


No. But it would be awkward if...


It should not be, Vin. A no go is more common than you may think.

You are already a client of his, and clearly have interest in more of his work. The only question is which work, and that can not be guaranteed in advance.

There are rules, nuances and in someways a rhythm in the art world, but candid and transparent communication should never include awkwardness.

You are wanting and willing to buy more of his work. The only question is, which work?

I have 25+ years of experience in this game, and a game/business it is. It is not uncommon for the artist to share his vision and outline with you along the way.

Always remember, the artist should want to exceed your expectation, and should understand this is the best way to sell you a third piece even before you buy your second work.
W wine+artMember
Vin, speaking of awkward, do you read Eric Banks and his views on art?

He has a great piece this month in Town & Country, called That's Awkward. Big Grin

It is talking about provocative art that is in the homes of serious collectors, and the conversations it has caused when little Sally has her birthday party with her first grade friends at her home...or the reaction of new friends drop in for the first time...or Cool

I had a number of friends over recently from our neighborhood, including new neighbors that happen to be gay. Well, when they found one of our Helmut Newton books sitting out, the party took on a different focus indeed. LOL
vintvintMember
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by VinToronto:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by VinToronto:


Me too. Commissioning a piece of art is a little unnerving.


I have never been obligated to buy if I did not love a commissioned work. Are you committed, regardless?


No. But it would be awkward if...


It should not be, Vin. A no go is more common than you may think.

You are already a client of his, and clearly have interest in more of his work. The only question is which work, and that can not be guaranteed in advance.

There are rules, nuances and in someways a rhythm in the art world, but candid and transparent communication should never include awkwardness.

You are wanting and willing to buy more of his work. The only question is, which work?

I have 25+ years of experience in this game, and a game/business it is. It is not uncommon for the artist to share his vision and outline with you along the way.

Always remember, the artist should want to exceed your expectation, and should understand this is the best way to sell you a third piece even before you buy your second work.


Sage advice. Thank you.

I will be sure to share a photo when the deed is done. Wink
W wine+artMember
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Originally posted by VinToronto:
On another note, have you ever had an interest in, or acquired any art glass? It has always fascinated me as a medium.


Vin, I have made two monumental mistakes in art. One was not buying a Dale Chihuly (glass) piece in 1981 (?) for less than $500, and also not buying a Rufino Tamayo work in 1990 for $7500.

We absolutely loved the Tamayo piece, but I was trying to fund our kids college fund and had our house on a 15 year note. Tamayo died the next year and the piece was auctioned off at $47,000. Mad The same piece has since been sold for well over $100k. I knew the piece was worth $20k plus when we found it, but I just could not talk myself into writing the check.

The Chiluly work I was never crazy about, but D liked it. Every time he is in the news, or we stay at the Bellagio in Vegas, I hear a smart ass comment... I wonder what that piece would be worth now? Red Face

I have looked at buying glass art, but just never have. Seaquam ( a forum member that does not post enough) has a couple of nice works I liked a lot. Overall, glass art just does not fall into the genres we have great passion for, but you never know.
vintvintMember
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by VinToronto:
On another note, have you ever had an interest in, or acquired any art glass? It has always fascinated me as a medium.


Vin, I have made two monumental mistakes in art. One was not buying a Dale Chihuly (glass) piece in 1981 (?) for less than $500, and also not buying a Rufino Tamayo work in 1990 for $7500.

We absolutely loved the Tamayo piece, but I was trying to fund our kids college fund and had our house on a 15 year note. Tamayo died the next year and the piece was auctioned off at $47,000. Mad The same piece has since been sold for well over $100k. I knew the piece was worth $20k plus when we found it, but I just could not talk myself into writing the check.

The Chiluly work I was never crazy about, but D liked it. Every time he is in the news, or we stay at the Bellagio in Vegas, I hear a smart ass comment... I wonder what that piece would be worth now? Red Face

I have looked at buying glass art, but just never have. Seaquam ( a forum member that does not post enough) has a couple of nice works I liked a lot. Overall, glass art just does not fall into the genres we have great passion for, but you never know.


A Chihuly for sub-$500?? Bang Bang Great story!

I've taken a bunch of glassblowing courses and still have yet to progress much past the blobby paperweight/basic vase stage. That's why it fascinates me - because it's WAY harder than it looks. And great glass artists make it look easy. I have a few pieces, but I'm really waiting for some renos to be completed before we have the perfect spot to put a nice piece.

One of my fave glass artists is Jeff Goodman. Buying one of his pieces is definitely on my bucket list.
vintvintMember
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Originally posted by wine+art:
Vin, your post prompted me to schedule a visit to the artist I'm negotiating with for a new outdoor sculpture... thank you.

We had a very productive 2+ hour meeting today, and I'm encouraged.


Excellent! If you have a moment, could you possibly email me the name of the artist? I'd love to see what kind of style you're contemplating. Thanks.
S stickmanMember
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Originally posted by wine+art:
Vin, I have made two monumental mistakes in art. One was not buying a Dale Chihuly (glass) piece in 1981 (?) for less than $500, ...

I'd be curious to hear your take aesthetically on Chihuly's work, aside from the investment aspect. For me there's a fine line between having a recognizable character to one's work and simply repeating oneself over and over. Having worked in a building with a 30-foot installation by Chihuly, perhaps I take for granted his impact/genius.
W wine+artMember
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Originally posted by jburman82:
Went to an art festival today and we bought our first original piece of art. Its a whimsical painting that will go very well in our daughters room. We bought a print from the same artist last year that is hanging in her room now. We might make this an annual tradition, at least until her walls are filled . . . or my wallet is empty. Wink


Well played, Jack.
W wine+artMember
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Originally posted by stickman:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
Vin, I have made two monumental mistakes in art. One was not buying a Dale Chihuly (glass) piece in 1981 (?) for less than $500, ...

I'd be curious to hear your take aesthetically on Chihuly's work, aside from the investment aspect. For me there's a fine line between having a recognizable character to one's work and simply repeating oneself over and over. Having worked in a building with a 30-foot installation by Chihuly, perhaps I take for granted his impact/genius.


We shall talk of this in Vegas...perhaps at the Bellagio. Wink
S stickmanMember
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by stickman:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
Vin, I have made two monumental mistakes in art. One was not buying a Dale Chihuly (glass) piece in 1981 (?) for less than $500, ...

I'd be curious to hear your take aesthetically on Chihuly's work...

We shall talk of this in Vegas...perhaps at the Bellagio. Wink

How appropriate! Smile
S seaquamMember
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Originally posted by VinToronto:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by VinToronto:
On another note, have you ever had an interest in, or acquired any art glass? It has always fascinated me as a medium.


Vin, I have made two monumental mistakes in art. One was not buying a Dale Chihuly (glass) piece in 1981 (?) for less than $500, and also not buying a Rufino Tamayo work in 1990 for $7500.

We absolutely loved the Tamayo piece, but I was trying to fund our kids college fund and had our house on a 15 year note. Tamayo died the next year and the piece was auctioned off at $47,000. Mad The same piece has since been sold for well over $100k. I knew the piece was worth $20k plus when we found it, but I just could not talk myself into writing the check.

The Chiluly work I was never crazy about, but D liked it. Every time he is in the news, or we stay at the Bellagio in Vegas, I hear a smart ass comment... I wonder what that piece would be worth now? Red Face

I have looked at buying glass art, but just never have. Seaquam ( a forum member that does not post enough) has a couple of nice works I liked a lot. Overall, glass art just does not fall into the genres we have great passion for, but you never know.


A Chihuly for sub-$500?? Bang Bang Great story!

I've taken a bunch of glassblowing courses and still have yet to progress much past the blobby paperweight/basic vase stage. That's why it fascinates me - because it's WAY harder than it looks. And great glass artists make it look easy. I have a few pieces, but I'm really waiting for some renos to be completed before we have the perfect spot to put a nice piece.

One of my fave glass artists is Jeff Goodman. Buying one of his pieces is definitely on my bucket list.



Couple of months ago we were visiting our favorite gallery in Seattle, and were taken into the back warehouse where they keep their bigger pieces. Despite its comparatively modest size in that context where it was dwarfed, both my wife's and my eyes were immediately drawn to a colorful blown glass bowl that was stunning! Chihuly, of course, offered at $48000. His work has a drama that surpasses almost all other art glass. If I were never intending to buy another bottle of wine in my lifetime, I might have made an offer on that piece. I was told that our reaction to the piece is common when people come into the back area.

That said, we like and collect a bit of art glass. We have a few special Lalique vases, Merrilee Moore and Robert Held pieces, and some circa-1930s art deco vases. Paintings are still our preferred passion, though.
S seaquamMember
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Originally posted by wine+art:
Seaquam, the last time we emailed, you were thinking sculpture.

Did you and S every buy?

D and I are thinking of a new sculpture for the yard.


Since last we spoke, a great deal has happened, most of it not good. Art acquisitions have not been in the forefront of my mind. However, we are still seriously thinking of a Will Robinson piece. If you click on the link, the 2nd and 8th pieces are the ones we like, though there are 4 others that aren't in the gallery's portfolio for which we are waiting to see photographs.

Anyway, I am fortunate-- as are so many others-- to be able to live vicariously through you and D whenever I'm not buying my own art, even if the excitement is somewhat less for me. Smile
W wine+artMember
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Originally posted by KSC02:
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Originally posted by Seaquam:
I am fortunate-- as are so many others-- to be able to live vicariously through you and D whenever I'm not buying my own art, even if the excitement is somewhat less for me. Smile

Big Grin

I've missed reading the quick pen of Seaquam as often these days. Good to see you posting!


Seaquam is indeed, one of a kind. Cool
K khmark7Member
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Originally posted by wine+art:
Vin, your post prompted me to schedule a visit to the artist I'm negotiating with for a new outdoor sculpture... thank you.

We had a very productive 2+ hour meeting today, and I'm encouraged.


Really, an outdoor sculpture? People do that? Honestly, I wouldn't even know who to ask or where to look.

I purchased a 3x4' rug from Nain (pronounced Nay-een) that is a stunning brilliant white background with blues and greens. I have no idea where I will place it, and that's half the fun.
W wine+artMember
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Originally posted by khmark7:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
Vin, your post prompted me to schedule a visit to the artist I'm negotiating with for a new outdoor sculpture... thank you.

We had a very productive 2+ hour meeting today, and I'm encouraged.


Really, an outdoor sculpture? People do that? Honestly, I wouldn't even know who to ask or where to look.

Well, I'm not sure about people, but I do. Smile We have one already, and would like to add more over time.

I purchased a 3x4' rug from Nain (pronounced Nay-een) that is a stunning brilliant white background with blues and greens. I have no idea where I will place it, and that's half the fun.... Oh, the where would we put it question. I understand that! Wink Both of our children also love art, so they often get a piece ( on loan) to put in their home when we buy. Always a good problem, I think. Your new Nain sounds wonderful.
S seaquamMember
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Originally posted by GlennK:
Spent about 4 hours in the Musee D’Orsay today. I’m far from an art enthusiast but I do love this place.


Then you saw the Degas exhibition. We would have loved to be able to see it, but it ends the day we arrive.

In some ways, the most beautiful example of art at the D'Orsay is the building itself.
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