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jabe11jabe11Member
Raffaello verso Picasso...Verso meaning towards, rather than against. A good sized temporary exhibit in the italian style. That is, no real rhyme or reason; a group of paintings with no particular theme (a large number of renaissance religious works and portrait, however), presented in strict chronological, order spanning centuries. While our three year old was struggling thorugh her nap time, I did, as of all the exhibits and museums we visit that provide them, buy a comprehensive guide. I love 'em in our shelves, flip through different ones often; they serve as a mnemonic for peices making impressions and others, due to the overload, that can make additional ones on quiter and more thorough observation. A couple of observations...
Many of the works were on loan from American museums, with perhaps 25 from the Boston museum of fine art.
The sole Velasquez a full portrait of his king, in yellow with a scarlet sash. Confident strokes, observant and expressive; from sarasota.
The caravaggio and raffaello portraits dissappointing.
A few pair of double potraits by Hals, Rembrandt and Copley
The Picassos were a cubist portrait of a woman, from Boston and L'Italiana from Zurich

Highlighs for me included: Cezanne and Van Gogh self portraits; Virgin with Child with an infant San John the baptist by Guerncino; a Manet Monk at Prayer shown vis-a-vis with an el greco of a similar theme, the Velasquez, Gainsborough's Mrs. Edmund Morton Pleydell; A Giorgione, only in the fact that i truly admire this elusive italian master with sucha small surviving body of work; Homer, boys on a prairie. And after looking at the guide some more, I'm sorry i did not spend more time observing Andre Derain's Portrait of Etienne Terrus.

As a celebration of the completion of the renovation of the Palladian Basilica, I was hoping for some sort of tribute to the bulding and architect....perhaps some origial plans, maybe a painting featuring the building, but there was none.
jabe11jabe11Member
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Neue Pinakothek


While their art does not inspire me, an excellent museum for sure.

Enjoy.

We did, thanks.
We had a visit to the Palazzo Barberini this evening.....Wow! And saw there is a Vermeer exhibit at the Querinale, which we hope to see, also.
W wine+artMember
The WSJ had an article recently about how the truly wealthy were putting their money into art due to the looming tax increases. With dividend tax increases coming in six weeks, the world of art will benefit. Based on auction records from last week, I think the WSJ was correct. Sotheby's had their best result, ever. $375m

Some of the highlights:

Rothko...$75.1m
Pollock...$40.4m
Warhol...$15.2m
Warhol...$16.3
Warhol...$9.3m
Bacon...$30m
de Kooning...$20m
Richter...$17.4
K khmark7Member
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Originally posted by ThistlinTom:
Somehow that doesn't sound positive for the economy


It is not positive. Adding taxes will never fix the economy, they kill investment and hiring.

Full employment drives a consumption economy, and the U-6 ( true unemployment rate) is at 14.7 and growing. Frown


Yeah, but it get's people re-elected. Just wait till Obamacare kicks in....
mangiaremangiareMember
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Originally posted by wine+art:
Heading out to meet a sculpture artist we have bought from before at lunch today.

He has a large show coming in January and we might be interested in a preemptive strike. Big Grin


From a business perspective, the artist and the gallery owners always love a couple of red stickers at opening to get the buzz going.
Ps. I know you are the Jedi
vintvintMember
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Originally posted by Boredough:
For those in Toronto this is the closing weekend for Christian Marclay's The Clock. Definitely worth checking out if you haven't already done so.


I know...we had been putting it off because other things kept coming up and now the website says "expect significant wait times on closing weekend". Frown

Good news is they are screening 24/7 until Sunday night. And since it's now co-owned by the National Gallery of Canada, won't there be other opportunities to see it? Ottawa perhaps?
W wine+artMember
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Heading out to meet a sculpture artist we have bought from before at lunch today.

He has a large show coming in January and we might be interested in a preemptive strike. Big Grin

Nothing intriguing...?


Several pieces.

The artist has spent much time in Barcelona and his current work clearly has a very Antoni Gaudi influence. I'm having two pieces delivered to see what they look like in one of our rock gardens.

One minute I can see the piece there, and then I cannot, so... Smile
B boredoughMember
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Originally posted by VinT:
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Originally posted by Boredough:
For those in Toronto this is the closing weekend for Christian Marclay's The Clock. Definitely worth checking out if you haven't already done so.


I know...we had been putting it off because other things kept coming up and now the website says "expect significant wait times on closing weekend". Frown

Good news is they are screening 24/7 until Sunday night. And since it's now co-owned by the National Gallery of Canada, won't there be other opportunities to see it? Ottawa perhaps?


I think in Canada it began in Ottawa and will be in Winnipeg next year. I would assume it goes back to Boston after Winnipeg before arriving in Canada again, but I'm just speculating. If you do decide to go I believe you can call ahead and inquire about the current queue.
vintvintMember
So we waited in line for about 1.5 hours, and then saw roughly an equivalent amount of The Clock. (The irony of this was not lost on me.)

If you are a movie buff, The Clock provides loads of nostalgic fun. It is a 24 hour long film in which every minute of the day (synchronized with real time) is represented by several celluloid snippets where the time of day is somehow referenced. Sometimes it's overt: a character glances at their watch, a city clock in the background, a bedside clock radio. Other times the reference is oblique: a scene showing a London city bus with no time reference at all - until you notice the bus number is 1326, and the scene falls into the 1:26pm mark of The Clock. Sometimes it's so obscure you wonder if there's really a time reference at all or the director simply added the scene for continuity. The fun part is when you let go of the time thing altogether and just get lost enjoying the clips.

It's difficult to even imagine how many (tens of?) thousands of hours were spent finding these clips. Included are shots from Hollywood films new and old, foreign films, blockbusters, obscure art films and television shows. Also remarkable is the flow from scene to scene - characters on a train in a 50's black and white film check their watches and then a full-color scene from a more recent movie shows a train pulling into a station where the station clock shows the same time. Music from one scene often bleeds into the next, creating a surprisingly seamless experience.

Of course, the broader implications only start to sink in after you leave the theater, but those are for each individual to parse for themselves. Highly recommended, whether you see one hour of The Clock or hunker down for the full 24.
K khmark7Member
Picked up two handmade Indian rugs yesterday at a very interesting store in the middle of nowhere northern Illinois. Prices are going up everywhere, partially due to commodity prices, labor overseas, inflation, inflation & inflation. I need to find some cheaper hobbies. If you live in the Chicago area and are looking for some interesting art & rugs check out Ginger Blossom outside of Richmond IL.
W wine+artMember
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his current work clearly has a very Antoni Gaudi influence. I'm having two pieces delivered to see what they look like in one of our rock gardens.


When I think of Gaudi, i think organic curvature. Have they arrived?


I had to postpone the delivery. We had a family event this week. Cool

Soon....
S seaquamMember
French artist Bernar Venet has created a work of art that is as practical as it is pretty.

While anyone would look good sporting art like this, I think our own inestimable wine + art would be someone who would find daily pleasure in using a nice piece such as this. And the fact that it can be written about in at least 2 different threads-- and many more if you eat breakfast, lunch, or dinner in it, wear flip-flops in it, or use it to pick up more wine-- so makes it worth acquiring.
W wine+artMember
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Originally posted by mangiare:
Just purchased my wife's and family Christmas present. It's a local artist and it's neon. I cannot wait till its up in our house!! I called him to inquire about a small piece that we liked and then he showed me " something new"

I hope my wife likes it Big Grin


Congratulations, mangiare on your new purchase.

There is excitement and often a touch of anxiety when one buys a major piece without their partners ever seeing the work. ( I do it often)

I hope it is loved by your wife, and I would love to see it as well.
W wine+artMember
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Originally posted by Seaquam:
French artist Bernar Venet has created a work of art that is as practical as it is pretty.

While anyone would look good sporting art like this, I think our own inestimable wine + art would be someone who would find daily pleasure in using a nice piece such as this. And the fact that it can be written about in at least 2 different threads-- and many more if you eat breakfast, lunch, or dinner in it, wear flip-flops in it, or use it to pick up more wine-- so makes it worth acquiring.


Very nice, Seaquam. Thanks for sharing.

I visited the BMW museum in Munich last year that has their cars painted by famous artist over the decades. I enjoyed the exhibit so much I bought the book.
mangiaremangiareMember
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Just purchased my wife's and family Christmas present. It's a local artist and it's neon. I cannot wait till its up in our house!! I called him to inquire about a small piece that we liked and then he showed me " something new"

I hope my wife likes it Big Grin


Congratulations, mangiare on your new purchase.

There is excitement and often a touch of anxiety when one buys a major piece without their partners ever seeing the work. ( I do it often)

I hope it is loved by your wife, and I would love to see it as well.


Thanks W&A. Definite anxiety but in a good way if that makes any sense.
I don't actually have a picture yet but I sent the artist info to VinT and AML. I believe VinT has your contact info.
W wine+artMember
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by mangiare:
Just purchased my wife's and family Christmas present. It's a local artist and it's neon. I cannot wait till its up in our house!! I called him to inquire about a small piece that we liked and then he showed me " something new"

I hope my wife likes it Big Grin


Congratulations, mangiare on your new purchase.

There is excitement and often a touch of anxiety when one buys a major piece without their partners ever seeing the work. ( I do it often)

I hope it is loved by your wife, and I would love to see it as well.


Thanks W&A. Definite anxiety but in a good way if that makes any sense.
I don't actually have a picture yet but I sent the artist info to VinT and AML. I believe VinT has your contact info.


VinT does indeed, thanks.

Okay VinT...
W wine+artMember
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by mangiare:
Just purchased my wife's and family Christmas present. It's a local artist and it's neon. I cannot wait till its up in our house!! I called him to inquire about a small piece that we liked and then he showed me " something new"

I hope my wife likes it Big Grin


Congratulations, mangiare on your new purchase.

There is excitement and often a touch of anxiety when one buys a major piece without their partners ever seeing the work. ( I do it often)

I hope it is loved by your wife, and I would love to see it as well.




Thanks W&A. Definite anxiety but in a good way if that makes any sense.
I don't actually have a picture yet but I sent the artist info to VinT and AML. I believe VinT has your contact info.


Very Jim Dine like work. Cool
W wine+artMember
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Originally posted by fcs:
If anyone can explain how to get walk in traffic into an art gallery, I am listening!


Having a gallery in a designated gallery area of town is a big help. I also assume you are holding monthly / quarterly artist reception events.

Are you showing some of the artist you are representing around town at coffee houses, restaurants, beer and wine bars, et al.? This is also a good way to drive people towards your gallery.
W wine+artMember
I just read with great joy that Sir John Richardson has completed his forth and final volume on the greatest artist since the High Renaissance, and this volume will cover years 1933-until the death of Picasso in 1973.

Richardson is now 88, and universities and art lovers alike have worried that his health may catch him prior to the completion of his 22 year and four volume triumphant and historic collection.

The book will be published in 2014, and I shall pre-order.
W wine+artMember
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Originally posted by mangiare:
Just purchased my wife's and family Christmas present. It's a local artist and it's neon. I cannot wait till its up in our house!! I called him to inquire about a small piece that we liked and then he showed me " something new"

I hope my wife likes it Big Grin


Congratulations, mangiare on your new purchase.

There is excitement and often a touch of anxiety when one buys a major piece without their partners ever seeing the work. ( I do it often)

I hope it is loved by your wife, and I would love to see it as well.




Thanks W&A. Definite anxiety but in a good way if that makes any sense.
I don't actually have a picture yet but I sent the artist info to VinT and AML. I believe VinT has your contact info.


Very Jim Dine like work. Cool


mangiare,

I hope your wife loves the piece. I'm assuming you will give it to her tomorrow.
K khmark7Member
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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
My wife and I gave ourselves a really wonderful, fairly old silk qashqai rug for Chirstmas. Interesting saffron coloured field and rare (especially considering the size) in that both weft and warp are made of silk.


Sounds interesting. Have yet to find a Kashgai made of silk. I have a saffron coloured bijar rug that i adore....so very rare. Where did you place the rug in your house?
robsutherlandrobsutherlandMember
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My wife and I gave ourselves a really wonderful, fairly old silk qashqai rug for Chirstmas. Interesting saffron coloured field and rare (especially considering the size) in that both weft and warp are made of silk.


Sounds interesting. Have yet to find a Kashgai made of silk. I have a saffron coloured bijar rug that i adore....so very rare. Where did you place the rug in your house?


We've got it on the landing between the 2nd & 3rd floor right now. Don't know if it will stay there or go to the cottage. We just put in light gray wood floors there and it would look fantastic but it would rob us of enjoying it most of the time...

It's quite thin so it's also a candidate to hang.
W wine+artMember
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$10K+ for some of the works (if you can call them that)!! I don’t get sticker shock by much, but that was a surprise.


The ante price for anything even remotely serious from galleries with respected addresses is currently $5000-$7500 which is WAY down from 2006, forward. If someone was to work very hard at it, one could start collecting at the $2000 - $2500 price point, but be very careful.

There are still currently so many excellent buys under $30,000/$40,000 today, but the market may ( I said may) be starting to move again. The current market for over $5 million has clearly moved, and the over $20 million is as hot as it has been in 20+ years due to the looming tax B.S.

If you get a chance, watch at least the last 30 minutes of Exit Through The Gift Shop if not all of it.
glennkglennkMember
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$10K+ for some of the works (if you can call them that)!! I don’t get sticker shock by much, but that was a surprise.


The ante price for anything even remotely serious from galleries with respected addresses is currently $5000-$7500 which is WAY down from 2006, forward. If someone was to work very hard at it, one could start collecting at the $2000 - $2500 price point, but be very careful.

There are still currently so many excellent buys under $30,000/$40,000 today, but the market may ( I said may) be starting to move again. The current market for over $5 million has clearly moved, and the over $20 million is as hot as it has been in 20+ years due to the looming tax B.S.

If you get a chance, watch at least the last 30 minutes of Exit Through The Gift Shop if not all of it.
I’ll add it to my Netflix Q. Luckily, I have not been bit by the art bug and I really don’t see that changing so my money will go elsewhere. Smile
S seaquamMember
We went to the new-ish Chihuly Garden in Seattle earlier this year. In the obligatory gift shop visit, there are quite a few blown glass pieces, none more than about 10" tall or wide, for sale. My wife saw one that she liked, a smaller exquisite bowl with two free-form glass shapes loose inside it. I was quite shocked to learn that it was $7500 (I figured $3-5000). While I was considering it for about 10 minutes, we saw 2 other pieces at similar prices sell. Not a significant data point, but I remarked at the time that it's clear that there's still clearly a market for expensive small art pieces.

Despite the fact that his name is etched into all the pieces, Chihuly has not blown any glass himself for years now, though I understand he oversees production most of the time. Anyway, it's easy to see that the market for expensive art isn't just restricted to the top-end multi-million dollar pieces; it filters down quite a ways.
W wine+artMember
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Originally posted by Seaquam:
We went to the new-ish Chihuly Garden in Seattle earlier this year. In the obligatory gift shop visit, there are quite a few blown glass pieces, none more than about 10" tall or wide, for sale. My wife saw one that she liked, a smaller exquisite bowl with two free-form glass shapes loose inside it. I was quite shocked to learn that it was $7500 (I figured $3-5000). While I was considering it for about 10 minutes, we saw 2 other pieces at similar prices sell. Not a significant data point, but I remarked at the time that it's clear that there's still clearly a market for expensive small art pieces.

Despite the fact that his name is etched into all the pieces, Chihuly has not blown any glass himself for years now, though I understand he oversees production most of the time. Anyway, it's easy to see that the market for expensive art isn't just restricted to the top-end multi-million dollar pieces; it filters down quite a ways.


Seaquam, the trickle down theory is indeed part of art.

I have made two major blunders in art, and Chihuly is one of them. Ask D next time we are together and she will recall all the details. Wink

As you are aware, the artist actually executing the work is not required in many art forms, it is the creative and artistic vision along with detailing the process that creates value and demand. ( think Serra)

You have a number of beautiful glass works in your collection, and a Chihuly would fit well within your townhouse. Cool
W wine+artMember
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Originally posted by GlennK:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by GlennK:

$10K+ for some of the works (if you can call them that)!! I don’t get sticker shock by much, but that was a surprise.


The ante price for anything even remotely serious from galleries with respected addresses is currently $5000-$7500 which is WAY down from 2006, forward. If someone was to work very hard at it, one could start collecting at the $2000 - $2500 price point, but be very careful.

There are still currently so many excellent buys under $30,000/$40,000 today, but the market may ( I said may) be starting to move again. The current market for over $5 million has clearly moved, and the over $20 million is as hot as it has been in 20+ years due to the looming tax B.S.

If you get a chance, watch at least the last 30 minutes of Exit Through The Gift Shop if not all of it.
I’ll add it to my Netflix Q. Luckily, I have not been bit by the art bug and I really don’t see that changing so my money will go elsewhere. Smile


Lucky indeed. Wink
jabe11jabe11Member
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V&A


Planing on going to the Tate Modern?

Yes, but we'll probably wait for the Lichtenstein temp. There is a temp at the Queen's Gallery that is next up, museum-wise for us; I hope to see in Jan.

Yesterday was our 1st day trip to Town since moving here. Happy to report we are an hour train ride to central London from our location Smile
W wine+artMember
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Interesting to read about the Gagosian/Hirst split. I think Damian has the last laugh, and laughing all the way to teh bank.


I'm confident both Larry and Damien made many many trips to the bank.

It is very complicated due to Hirst going around Larry and all galleries in 2009 with his Sotheby's direct sale. ( Larry bought heavy) Damien's work has dropped 50% since 2008, and Larry knows this with 1 out of 3 pieces not currently selling.

Larry is the most powerful art broker in the world with great ease, has more space than the Tate Modern and still sells over $1 billion annually. The focus now is postwar and Warhol, Kline, Rothko, Bacon, Lichtenstein, Basquiat et al. are dominating with no peers.

Larry tried moving Damien back to the front with his spot paintings in all 11 of his galleries around the world, but the market has moved.

Damien is worth $500 million, and Larry twice that, so no real losers here.... just ego. Wink
W wine+artMember
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I am curious; what do you think of Hirst's work...in general?


Well... I think Hirst and the YBA's did help bring back much needed attention to art ( good or bad) to Great Britain, and I also find Damien to be a clever fellow.

I'm not an admirer of his work with some exceptions for sure. The Ritz Carlton Powerscourt ( Ireland) we stayed at had a number of his pieces I enjoyed a great deal, and there were a couple of pieces in Gordan Ramsay's restaurant I had never seen before.

Overall, he is not on my radar, but has been a major force without debate in the art world over the last 20 years.
vintvintMember
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Perhaps the portrait gallery tomorrow.


If you do go to the Portrait Gallery, you must see the bust by Marc Quinn of his own head, made with his own blood. One of the most unique pieces I have ever seen. It's in the room next to the gallery's second most interesting portait IMO, that of Julian Opie whose portait appears to breathe and blink.
W wine+artMember
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Perhaps the portrait gallery tomorrow.


If you do go to the Portrait Gallery, you must see the bust by Marc Quinn of his own head, made with his own blood. One of the most unique pieces I have ever seen. It's in the room next to the gallery's second most interesting portait IMO, that of Julian Opie whose portait appears to breathe and blink.


Does Quinn have any of his works/worship of Kate Moss there?
vintvintMember
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Perhaps the portrait gallery tomorrow.


If you do go to the Portrait Gallery, you must see the bust by Marc Quinn of his own head, made with his own blood. One of the most unique pieces I have ever seen. It's in the room next to the gallery's second most interesting portait IMO, that of Julian Opie whose portait appears to breathe and blink.


Does Quinn have any of his works/worship of Kate Moss there?


Not that I recall.
S steveyMember
We were at a gallery in the Dempsey Hill district in Singapore and there was an exhibition of these amazing paintings with exquisite fine detail and color, best I've seen in a long time. The artist's name is Anna Berezovskaya - a 20-something painter from near Moscow.

They were large paintings that were listed at $80,000 SGD (about $65,000 US) each. If they were half that, we might consider but not at price (though I'd not be surpised in 10 years it doubles in price or more). Nevertheless, amazing, and she's not even 30 yet!
jabe11jabe11Member
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Perhaps the portrait gallery tomorrow.


If you do go to the Portrait Gallery, you must see the bust by Marc Quinn of his own head, made with his own blood. One of the most unique pieces I have ever seen.

Very Hannibal lector-esque. Made me look at my black pudding at breakfast with a little more thought.
glennkglennkMember
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I have yet to go to the Saatchi; it is on my list.
My flat was pretty close to the Saatchi Gallery and I would walk through it every six months or so. I actually liked the outside of the building much better than the works inside! There are some nice pieces that make you think, but most of them are just not my style. If you like looking at penis, the Saatchi gallery is for you as they showcase them often! They had an installation once that was a bunch of guys clothes on the floor with the title “a bachelors apartment” or something stupid like that. Guess my little brothers messy room is really art??? The café that is attached to is very nice though and you have a great view of the park.
S seaquamMember
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They had an installation once that was a bunch of guys clothes on the floor with the title “a bachelors apartment” or something stupid like that. Guess my little brothers messy room is really art???


It would have been, had YOU thought to present it as such first, and been able to convince the gallery that you deserve a showing.

I had exactly the same reaction a few years ago at the Pompidou. The installation was the inside of an old garage, with spilled oil on the floor, empty gas and antifreeze cans, old tools littering the workbenches, old license plates and old calendars on the walls, etc. A real mess. I think it was called "my father's garage" or something similar. I remember thinking that I could have done that. Unfortunately, I hadn't.

I'm afraid you and I will have to achieve fame and recognition through some other means, Glenn. I'm currently thinking of taking up the decathlon, in which I'm quite certain I'll be very successful.
jabe11jabe11Member
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I have yet to go to the Saatchi; it is on my list.
My flat was pretty close to the Saatchi Gallery and I would walk through it every six months or so. I actually liked the outside of the building much better than the works inside! There are some nice pieces that make you think, but most of them are just not my style. If you like looking at penis, the Saatchi gallery is for you as they showcase them often! They had an installation once that was a bunch of guys clothes on the floor with the title “a bachelors apartment” or something stupid like that. Guess my little brothers messy room is really art??? The café that is attached to is very nice though and you have a great view of the park.

LOL! I didn't say it was high on my list! Yes, one of the reasons it is on my list is to see the building itself.
jabe11jabe11Member
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Originally posted by ThistlinTom:
If I wanted to know more about modern art, what would be the best resource? I have started going through a "course" from i-Tunes U about modern art and it is intriguing. It starts with realism and impressionism.

TT, i wouldn't be the best resource on this thread regarding your question, but I suggest you find a modern art museum around your area (the Menil in Houston, for instance, but not sure if it is close to you)....learning about art, you can't beat viewing in person, imho. Also, museum book shops can have a great wealth of available titles. Taschen has a series that are well-priced and cover many different artists and genre. Enjoy.
W wine+artMember
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Originally posted by ThistlinTom:
If I wanted to know more about modern art, what would be the best resource? I have started going through a "course" from i-Tunes U about modern art and it is intriguing. It starts with realism and impressionism.


TT, a BIG question to answer. We should enjoy a bottle of wine and discuss art sometime soon.

Pre-Modern, Modern, Post Modern, NY School, Pop, Contemporary all have different goals, objectives, influences and current status and significance in today's art world.

Modern, think 1906 - 1956 in terms of seminal influence. I find it mandatory to read and understand the question why before you will truly love modern art.

Always remember, art is a language, a form of communication that you often are not familiar with, and you may or may not understand, regardless. Any emotional reaction to said art, regardless if you like or dislike, understand or confused is a successful piece.

Read, read, read, then view, view, view. I will write more, but must run.

DO NOT trust your own instincts, they will often be wrong early in your journey. You here people say, I do not know much about art ( wine) but I know what I like. SO WHAT? Yes, everyone has an opinion, but that has NOTHING to do with what is right, good, or seminal. It is just a poor uninformed and uneducated opinion which is completely meaningless.

Fun topic!
T thistlintomMember
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Originally posted by Jabe11:
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Originally posted by ThistlinTom:
If I wanted to know more about modern art, what would be the best resource? I have started going through a "course" from i-Tunes U about modern art and it is intriguing. It starts with realism and impressionism.

TT, i wouldn't be the best resource on this thread regarding your question, but I suggest you find a modern art museum around your area (the Menil in Houston, for instance, but not sure if it is close to you)....learning about art, you can't beat viewing in person, imho. Also, museum book shops can have a great wealth of available titles. Taschen has a series that are well-priced and cover many different artists and genre. Enjoy.


Jabe,
I agree that seeing the art is important, but I want to get a better understanding of the art and why certain pieces or artists are important. I have seen art by Degas, Monet, Manet, Picasso, Van Gogh, Pollack along with many other artists, but I want to understand it more.

I think the i-tunes U course is helpful, but I was curious as to other sources of information.

Thanks
K ksc02Member
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Originally posted by wine+art:
Read, read, read, then view, view, view.

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Great, great advice. Read the history. Read the books. Get an understanding of the periods throughout history.

That said, just like one needs to taste great wines to understand great wines, you MUST SEE great paintings to understand and truly FEEL them. You'll never get that from seeing them in books. Whenever you get the opportunity GO SEE!
jabe11jabe11Member
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Originally posted by wine+art:

DO NOT trust your own instincts, they will often be wrong early in your journey. You here people say, I do not know much about art ( wine) but I know what I like. SO WHAT? Yes, everyone has an opinion, but that has NOTHING to do with what is right, good, or seminal. It is just a poor uninformed and uneducated opinion which is completely meaningless.

Fun topic!


Against my better judgement, I'll bite Wink

As you say, anyone can have an opinion, but what makes one's opinion superior to another's? More books read? Making more money at criticizing art? More vehement criticism? Someone, who is well-informed, writing that a piece of art is 'good,' does not make the peice 'good.' I agree, however, that the better informed you are, you can develop perhaps a more nuanced or sophisticated approach to what you look for and what you enjoy. Also, to know under what circumstances and what context a piece was created might also allow a better understanding. I try to not be critical of works of art...there is nearly always some purpose, even if the artist may not know expressily what it is...who am i to lambast thier vision? Does it appeal to me is another matter.

What purpose do i have in enjoying art, if any? (um..I'll get back to you on that Razz )
Do i need philisophical questions asked or answered? Does the lack of either constitute a lack of enjoyment, or that i am not 'properly' observing a piece?

Am I searching the artist soul contemplating a piece, or merely his bank account? Or maybe, can one simply enjoy a moment of contemplation not caring either way?

ThistlingTom, I would most certainly recommend you follow your instincts. There are a number of good dvds in existence about the impressionists...maybe your local library has one or two? For me, I love Sister Wendy...I saw Manet's Evening at the Folies-Bergerea couple of years ago, and her words were circling in my head, with a big smile on my face. 2 Cents
Z zonkMember
wine+art, I have not attended this one, but I did have the opportunity to check out a pretty extensive Matisse show at the MoMA way back in the late 80's (wow, now I really feel old). Was definitely one of the cooler exhibits I have ever seen. This one looks like a great exhibit, please let me know if you are heading up for it.
F fcsMember
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Originally posted by wine+art:
Has anyone here attended the current Matisse exhibit at the Met in NYC?

Considered the second greatest artist of the first half of the 20th century, and while I have seen a lot of his work, I have never attended a solo exhibit on the seminal artist.

I'm needing to get up to NYC soon.


Haven't, but looks like a worthy visit!
W wine+artMember
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Originally posted by Zonk:
wine+art, I have not attended this one, but I did have the opportunity to check out a pretty extensive Matisse show at the MoMA way back in the late 80's (wow, now I really feel old). Was definitely one of the cooler exhibits I have ever seen. This one looks like a great exhibit, please let me know if you are heading up for it.


Zonk, it has been too long since we shared wine together.

I trust you and your family are well.
W wine+artMember
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(think we added one since I last saw you


You still have not figured this out? Wink
w+a...I hope we have a chance to share a bottle soon...
Cheers..be well my friend.


It has been too long.

I spent much of yesterday looking for a new sculpture or perhaps even a new painting, so I had a great day. Cool
W wine+artMember
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Originally posted by fcs:
W + A, went to the Black & White Picasso show at the Guggenheim. Really amazing, and most were painted in one day. That is was even more amazing to contemplate...


Oh, well played fcs, well played. Perhaps the greatest grays ever painted are in these brilliant and alive works.

I assume Guernica was on view?
W wine+artMember
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Originally posted by billhike:
W+A, from your posts I know you are a Picasso enthusiast. In case you are visiting Chicago in the next few months, there are some featured items at the Art Institute. You may have already been aware of these, but I figured I would pass the info along.

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Bill, thank you.

I'm indeed planning a visit to Chicago, and would not miss.
W wine+artMember
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Originally posted by ThistlinTom:
Going to Houston MFAH for the Picasso black and white exhibit. Not sure how it is different from the one at the Guggenheim. But its supposed to be paintings drawings and sculptures.


TT, when are you planning to go? I'm thinking about going this week as well.

Also, do you have dinner plans tomorrow night? Winedoc, JAR and I will be dining together. We would love to have you join us.
T thistlintomMember
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Originally posted by ThistlinTom:
Going to Houston MFAH for the Picasso black and white exhibit. Not sure how it is different from the one at the Guggenheim. But its supposed to be paintings drawings and sculptures.


TT, when are you planning to go? I'm thinking about going this week as well.

Also, do you have dinner plans tomorrow night? Winedoc, JAR and I will be dining together. We would love to have you join us.


I went this afternoon. It was a pretty good exhibit, with artwork from many phases of his career. There was artwork on loan from many places, including MOMA.

I would love to have dinner with the group but I don't think I can make it tomorrow night. Hopefully some time in the near future.
K khmark7Member
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Originally posted by wine+art:
Going to see the progress of my newest outdoor sculpture today.

Nothing outside of family gives me joy like art. Cool


Agreed, art is always a large part of my life, even though the type and style is unique to me.

Have in recent months been spending time with an amazing young lady who hails from central Russia. She has learned to survive, educate and adapt. Ahhhh, but art. Art....is a not a luxury, but rather something someone can only see if they truly look for it. Could be a fun journey.
vintvintMember
Leonard Lauder, heir to the cosmetics fortune, has gifted his collection of cubist art to the Met. It includes 33 Picassos, 17 Braques, 14 Légers and 14 works by Gris and is valued at more than $1-billion.

“You can’t put together a good collection unless you are focused, disciplined, tenacious and willing to pay more than you can possibly afford,” Mr. Lauder said. “Early on I decided this should be formed as a museum collection,” and “whenever I considered buying anything, I would step back and ask myself, does this make the cut?”
W wine+artMember
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Leonard Lauder, heir to the cosmetics fortune, has gifted his collection of cubist art to the Met. It includes 33 Picassos, 17 Braques, 14 Légers and 14 works by Gris and is valued at more than $1-billion.

“You can’t put together a good collection unless you are focused, disciplined, tenacious and willing to pay more than you can possibly afford,” Mr. Lauder said. “Early on I decided this should be formed as a museum collection,” and “whenever I considered buying anything, I would step back and ask myself, does this make the cut?”


VinT, the Met has long had a major and glaring hole in their great collection.

This missing link has now been satisfied with great gravitas. Cool
F fcsMember
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Originally posted by wine+art:
Thinking about going to view the Barry McGee exhibit this beautiful weekend.


W + A, did you go and see Barry's exhibit?

I read about it and I saw some of the installation pieces, looked good. I first remember seeing his work at a big Armand Hammer Museum exhibit back in 1995. That show was the beginning of my interest in that indie art scene. Amazing how big it's now become...
W wine+artMember
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Originally posted by wine+art:
Thinking about going to view the Barry McGee exhibit this beautiful weekend.


W + A, did you go and see Barry's exhibit?

I read about it and I saw some of the installation pieces, looked good. I first remember seeing his work at a big Armand Hammer Museum exhibit back in 1995. That show was the beginning of my interest in that indie art scene. Amazing how big it's now become...


fcs, I did indeed.

The exhibit was well worth the visit in my opinion. I always see/think of the greatness of Blek le Rat when viewing works of McGee, Banksy, Fairey, Robbo, Tylicki and others. It seems ALL have some le Rat in them.

I would love to visit Melbourne someday to view their notable street art festival.
R redknifeMember
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Clicky


Do you know of Casa Juancho?


Of course. Good Spanish food. It veers towards "touristy", but not so much so that I'd avoid it. It's also about 1 mile from my house, and it's in Little Havana... a fun area for a walk.


Agree with Jorge; although I don't get the "touristy" feel
W wine+artMember
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Do you know of Casa Juancho?


Of course. Good Spanish food. It veers towards "touristy", but not so much so that I'd avoid it. It's also about 1 mile from my house, and it's in Little Havana... a fun area for a walk.


Agree with Jorge; although I don't get the "touristy" feel


Food was excellent.

Sorry your schedule did not allow us to hook-up again, redknife.
D doktapMember
At our annual hospital gala, I bought a beautiful original acrylic (24" x 36") from local artist Johanna Meharg. It is titled "Love Letters" and it looks grand in our front foyer.
It's nice to know that the artists themselves support our community hospital and the fundraising efforts are put directly into patient care. Win/Win.
W wine+artMember
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Originally posted by khmark7:
Picked up 2 small Persian rugs, the largest no bigger than 2x4'. Really amazing pieces of art and I find myself hesitant to even walk on them...


I would enjoy seeing your rug collection someday, khmark.

I love great rugs, but they just do not fit into our style home, and goodness knows, I do not need anymore passions. Smile
W wine+artMember
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Originally posted by DoktaP:
At our annual hospital gala, I bought a beautiful original acrylic (24" x 36") from local artist Johanna Meharg. It is titled "Love Letters" and it looks grand in our front foyer.
It's nice to know that the artists themselves support our community hospital and the fundraising efforts are put directly into patient care. Win/Win.


...and how many skins did that cost you? Wink
K khmark7Member
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Originally posted by khmark7:
Picked up 2 small Persian rugs, the largest no bigger than 2x4'. Really amazing pieces of art and I find myself hesitant to even walk on them...


Details!


A small 2 x 3 Bijar, red border with white background and this unbelievable pink/red floral medallion. This rug is so bright and sharp it might as well illuminate light.

2.5 x 4 Nain, white border with dark blue background with white and light blue flowers and grasses. Stunning...

Both Iranian.
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