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If you are an art enthusiast, you may wish to check out a show on Bravo called, Work of Art.

I'm not much of a TV person in general, but the first season of this show was excellent, and both my wife and I were hooked.

While I clearly have no clue if this season will be as good as last year, I'm excited nevertheless.

The second season starts on October 12th.
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If you are an art enthusiast, you may wish to check out a show on Bravo called, Work of Art.

I'm not much of a TV person in general, but the first season of this show was excellent, and both my wife and I were hooked.

While I clearly have no clue if this season will be as good as last year, I'm excited nevertheless.

The second season starts on October 12th.

Thanks for the tip... We watch Project Runway on Bravo, so this will be a nice replacement once the season ends!
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Originally posted by wine+art:
If you are an art enthusiast, you may wish to check out a show on Bravo called, Work of Art.

I'm not much of a TV person in general, but the first season of this show was excellent, and both my wife and I were hooked.

While I clearly have no clue if this season will be as good as last year, I'm excited nevertheless.

The second season starts on October 12th.

Thanks for the tip... We watch Project Runway on Bravo, so this will be a nice replacement once the season ends!


If as good as last season, excellent art show.

Also, a big Thank You to Sarah Jessica Parker for putting her money behind the show last season to get it rolling.

Speaking of fashion TPE, ( Big Grin) China Chow's fashion was stunning last season as the host of this show.
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Originally posted by wine+art:
If you are an art enthusiast, you may wish to check out a show on Bravo called, Work of Art.

I'm not much of a TV person in general, but the first season of this show was excellent, and both my wife and I were hooked.

While I clearly have no clue if this season will be as good as last year, I'm excited nevertheless.

The second season starts on October 12th.

Thanks for the tip... We watch Project Runway on Bravo, so this will be a nice replacement once the season ends!


If as good as last season, excellent art show.

Also, a big Thank You to Sarah Jessica Parker for putting her money behind the show last season to get it rolling.

Speaking of fashion TPE, ( Big Grin) China Chow's fashion was stunning last season as the host of this show.

Good stuff! Love John Woo movies, and thought she was hilarious in The Big Hit. A fan of her family's restaurant too! Used to eat there regularly when we were living in LA. Will definitely have this one programmed on the DVR.
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MJ, I just watched this weeks episode.

I thought there were two excellent works of art this week.

Have you caught up?
Yes! I was very drawn to Dusty's piece; very emotional. Young's art was intellectual, but didn't do it for me. Lola's piece was well thought out. And lastly, the Sucklord is lucky to have not been booted off- simple piece-predictable!
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MJ, I just watched this weeks episode.

I thought there were two excellent works of art this week.

Have you caught up?
Yes! I was very drawn to Dusty's piece; very emotional. Young's art was intellectual, but didn't do it for me. Lola's piece was well thought out. And lastly, the Sucklord is lucky to have not been booted off- simple piece-predictable!


I would have paid serious money for Dusty's piece, but clearly Young's piece is what I/anyone could easily sell in a NYC gallery.

Sucklord over thinks everything, and is very lucky to still be on the show.

You have a keen eye, MJ.
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Just watched this weeks episode.

I will wait a couple of days before commenting, just in case you boys are behind as well. Wink
"Uprooted" was interesting, but I thought this episode was very underwhelming; I was hoping for more.


M, I think last season had much more talent. I was glad to see Dusty win 15K, he was my choice last week.

The only two weeks I have been impressed were the Pop Art show and the New York Times show.

GOOD BYE Sucklord! LOL
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I did see a piece that Sucklord did that reminded me of Lari Pittman, ( excellent works) so perhaps he just does not work well under the shows concept.

Naturally I'm a big Pittman fan. Discovered him in 1992 at the MOCA Helter Skelter show. You know W+A and I would be good friends (we share the same tastes in film and art) if we didn't hate each other so much (and that he's a pompous ass.)
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Roll Eyes



Kidding aside..how does one "ignore" someone on these boards..Ive wasting enough of my time...you guys have my email.


Ah, Mr. Hate does it again. Big Grin

Just click on his name after you sign in, and hit the ignore button.

I will email you as well.

You used the word "hate" shortly after I used it in my post. Are you only pretending to Ignore me? Where are your principles?
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MJ, I watched show #7 this morning.

I liked the winning piece, and agree with the judges.

Overall, I think this year has had much less to offer than last years talent.

What are your thoughts to date?

I enjoy the show for what it is. It is structured and timed which can be very disruptive to the creative process. I find some of the whining and crying annoying. Overall, no "wow", but entertaining.
A quality exhibit, I'm sure...he is a true master. Contemplating Velazquez' Los Borrachos, I couldn't help but think the spanish master must have already been exposed to Caravaggio's influence by the time it was painted. Either that, or he used the same model for Bbacchus that Caravaggio used so frequently. I've been fortunate enough to see a good many of Caravaggio's works.
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What can you say about Velasquez? He is one of my favorites and the Prado my favorite museum. Seeing Las Meninas again..it is one of the greatest of all time; it seemed to take on a new significance for me...and so many others. It'll be too long before we're in Madrid again.


A true masterpiece, and every accolade well deserved.
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Anyone familiar with the work of painter Uno Hoffman?


I am. Are you a fan?


We're going to his studio this weekend to pick up our first original.

He's quite a character - a true Renaissance Man. Do you like his work?

Cool BRAVO! Well done, Vin Toronto!
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Do you like his work?


I saw a number of pieces in Paris in 2004 (?) that were clearly influenced by Motherwell and Kline that I liked. I saw a couple of pieces that made me think of the works of Tapies that I loved in an art journal recently.

I would enjoy seeing the piece you are buying.


Vin, did you buy?
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Do you like his work?


I saw a number of pieces in Paris in 2004 (?) that were clearly influenced by Motherwell and Kline that I liked. I saw a couple of pieces that made me think of the works of Tapies that I loved in an art journal recently.

I would enjoy seeing the piece you are buying.


Vin, did you buy?


Yes. We were to pick it up this weekend, but Mr. Hoffman graciously offered to have it framed for us at the same pricing he would receive. We will take possession sometime next week when it is complete. Smile

Drop me a note at <edited> and I would be happy to forward a pic of the finished product, and the story of how the piece was inspired by a line of my partner's poetry.
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Do you like his work?


I saw a number of pieces in Paris in 2004 (?) that were clearly influenced by Motherwell and Kline that I liked. I saw a couple of pieces that made me think of the works of Tapies that I loved in an art journal recently.

I would enjoy seeing the piece you are buying.


Vin, did you buy?


Yes. We were to pick it up this weekend, but Mr. Hoffman graciously offered to have it framed for us at the same pricing he would receive. We will take possession sometime next week when it is complete. Smile

Drop me a note at and I would be happy to forward a pic of the finished product, and the story of how the piece was inspired by a line of my partner's poetry.


Vin, I just emailed you.

Please confirm you received my email, and I look forward to seeing the piece.

You may want to edit out your email address.
An announcement was made last week that a new $225 million project will be built in the Uptown section of Dallas, and Cesar Pelli will be the designer. Cool

With nearby buildings in the Arts District designed by I.M. Pei, Philip Johnson, SOM, George Dahl, Sir Alfred Bossom, Sir Norman Foster and Renzo Piano a Pelli design should be a welcome addiction. Cool
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An announcement was made last week that a new $225 million project will be built in the Uptown section of Dallas, and Cesar Pelli will be the designer. Cool

With nearby buildings in the Arts District designed by I.M. Pei, Philip Johnson, SOM, George Dahl, Sir Alfred Bossom, Sir Norman Foster and Renzo Piano a Pelli design should be a welcome addiction. Cool
I need to make it down to your neck of the woods someday... Cool
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Do you like his work?


I saw a number of pieces in Paris in 2004 (?) that were clearly influenced by Motherwell and Kline that I liked. I saw a couple of pieces that made me think of the works of Tapies that I loved in an art journal recently.

I would enjoy seeing the piece you are buying.


Vin, did you buy?


Yes. We were to pick it up this weekend, but Mr. Hoffman graciously offered to have it framed for us at the same pricing he would receive. We will take possession sometime next week when it is complete. Smile

Drop me a note at <edited> and I would be happy to forward a pic of the finished product, and the story of how the piece was inspired by a line of my partner's poetry.


Vin, I received your photo of your new piece, and it is wonderful! I like the Twombly and Tapies influence as well. Thanks for sending me the photo.

I emailed you a few of our paintings (15 or so) that I had on my iPhone. Bad photography for sure with the iPhone, but you can at least get a feel anyway.
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I was quite happy with the winner selected givem the exhibits in the finale. Excellent choice, and I'd be happy to own several of the pieces in that exhibit (except for the values now placed on those pieces!).
It was nice to see the artists have the time to produce exceptional works of art! I will wait to opine until w+a has confirmed that he has watched the finale. Smile
Vin, KSC02 was curious about your purchase, so I shared your email with him.

I shared with my wife that I sent you 15 or so iPhone photos of some of our art and sculpture. She then started asking if I sent you a photo of this one, or that one, or this one, or... Turns out I did not send you one photo of the first few pieces she thought I should have.

Sometimes I think I share too much with her. Eek Wink

Enjoy your new acquisition.
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Vin, KSC02 was curious about your purchase, so I shared your email with him.

I shared with my wife that I sent you 15 or so iPhone photos of some of our art and sculpture. She then started asking if I sent you a photo of this one, or that one, or this one, or... Turns out I did not send you one photo of the first few pieces she thought I should have.

Sometimes I think I share too much with her. Eek Wink

Enjoy your new acquisition.


We love it, thanks. Methinks it may not be the last Hoffman we acquire.
Listen to your wife...send photos of everything she says! Big Grin
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Vin, KSC02 was curious about your purchase, so I shared your email with him.

I requested w+a to send me your email as I didn't want to 'pile on' the post. I hope you don't mind.

I really like your Hoffman, VinToronto. In fact, the email came in on my iPhone and was attached at the bottom. Reading the written work prior to seeing the piece was excellent and I'm glad I saw it in this order. In fact, I really enjoyed both pieces (written and painted). Seperately, they were excellent. Together they enhance each other even more.

Well done, VT. I've admittedly, not been aware of Uno Hoffman but this has really caught my attention. I am beginning to read up a bit now. Thanks for sharing.
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Originally posted by SD-Wineaux:
I was quite happy with the winner selected givem the exhibits in the finale. Excellent choice, and I'd be happy to own several of the pieces in that exhibit (except for the values now placed on those pieces!).
It was nice to see the artists have the time to produce exceptional works of art! I will wait to opine until w+a has confirmed that he has watched the finale. Smile


M, thanks for not spoiling the final for me. I will watch it very soon.

I'm thinking there are two of the three finalist that have a chance to win.
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Vin, KSC02 was curious about your purchase, so I shared your email with him.

I requested w+a to send me your email as I didn't want to 'pile on' the post. I hope you don't mind.

I really like your Hoffman, VinToronto. In fact, the email came in on my iPhone and was attached at the bottom. Reading the written work prior to seeing the piece was excellent and I'm glad I saw it in this order. In fact, I really enjoyed both pieces (written and painted). Seperately, they were excellent. Together they enhance each other even more.

Well done, VT. I've admittedly, not been aware of Uno Hoffman but this has really caught my attention. I am beginning to read up a bit now. Thanks for sharing.


You're welcome, although C deserves most of the credit both for both inspiration and acquisition.

If you've got my e-mail address and you're so inclined, I'd love to see what kind of objets d'art move you. If not - totally cool.
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Vin, KSC02 was curious about your purchase, so I shared your email with him.

I requested w+a to send me your email as I didn't want to 'pile on' the post. I hope you don't mind.

I really like your Hoffman, VinToronto. In fact, the email came in on my iPhone and was attached at the bottom. Reading the written work prior to seeing the piece was excellent and I'm glad I saw it in this order. In fact, I really enjoyed both pieces (written and painted). Seperately, they were excellent. Together they enhance each other even more.

Well done, VT. I've admittedly, not been aware of Uno Hoffman but this has really caught my attention. I am beginning to read up a bit now. Thanks for sharing.


You're welcome, although C deserves most of the credit both for both inspiration and acquisition.

If you've got my e-mail address and you're so inclined, I'd love to see what kind of objets d'art move you. If not - totally cool.


Vin, I will forward your email to KSC02 just in case.
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Watched the Simon Schama "Power of Art" segment on Caravaggio last night. The production is a bit melodramatic, but the underlying facts are fascinating.


Thanks.

The Kimbell exhibit ends next week on Caravaggio here in DFW, which was an excellent exhibition.

Their next exhibit starts in March and focuses on Impressionism, which I will not be attending. Big Grin
I just heard that Helen Frankenthalar died.

She had a major influence in the art capital of the world ( NYC) for decades.

She was a NYC native, and born into a privileged lifestyle, and her relationship with Greenberg and marriage to Motherwell did not hurt matters either.

She was a student of Tamayo also. For everyone that knows my wife on this forum, please never bring up Tamayo around her. It was my greatest art blunder. Big Grin
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I just heard that Helen Frankenthalar died.

She had a major influence in the art capital of the world ( NYC) for decades.

She was a NYC native, and born into a privileged lifestyle, and her relationship with Greenberg and marriage to Motherwell did not hurt matters either.
I think of Morris Louis when I hear her name; he no doubt was influenced by her work. Although the transparent nature of the medium and style used by both is not my cup of tea, there is no denying its importance.

Now, I'm off to stretch a canvas and paint with bold tenacity and color! Big Grin
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I just heard that Helen Frankenthalar died.

She had a major influence in the art capital of the world ( NYC) for decades.

She was a NYC native, and born into a privileged lifestyle, and her relationship with Greenberg and marriage to Motherwell did not hurt matters either.
I think of Morris Louis when I hear her name; he no doubt was influenced by her work. Although the transparent nature of the medium and style used by both is not my cup of tea, there is no denying its importance.

Now, I'm off to stretch a canvas and paint with bold tenacity and color! Big Grin


MJ, no debate about it, Louis was influence by Helen.

I also agree the color field genre never demanded my attention, but it was a serious movement nevertheless.
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Her ass caused $10k in damage. Red Face

Having read the article, I'm under the impression (no pun intended) it was the intial impact to the canvas (stretch?) than rubbing her butt against the work.
The $$ amount of "Damage" is clearly a number pulled out of said Art dealer's a** Roll Eyes


I can only imagine what Warhol would have done if she had rubbed her ass against one of his works. ( see Dennis Hopper & Warhol) Big Grin
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I can only imagine what Warhol would have done if she had rubbed her ass against one of his works. ( see Dennis Hopper & Warhol) Big Grin

Perfect case in point, w+a. This painting now has a notariety that it otherwise would never have. There's an entire stigma to it. It will profit as a result. I'll leave it at that.

Speaking of Warhol, I recall (about 13 yrs ago) back being offered several of his infamous Piss Paintings.
Urrr...no thanks
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I can only imagine what Warhol would have done if she had rubbed her ass against one of his works. ( see Dennis Hopper & Warhol) Big Grin

Perfect case in point, w+a. This painting now has a notariety that it otherwise would never have. There's an entire stigma to it. It will profit as a result. I'll leave it at that.

Speaking of Warhol, I recall (about 13 yrs ago) back being offered several of his infamous Piss Paintings.
Urrr...no thanks


I have never seen these.
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Saw "Chagall and the Russian Avant-Garde" exhibit today at the AGO.

"Blue Circus" is simply electrifying in person.


Chagall is greatness, indeed.

At his death in the 80's, you could still buy some of his work below $4-5,000. Eek

We greatly enjoy our piece, and PlanoWino also has a couple of wonderful works. My twin DoktaP almost bought a beautiful Chagall last year.
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Saw "Chagall and the Russian Avant-Garde" exhibit today at the AGO.

"Blue Circus" is simply electrifying in person.


Chagall is greatness, indeed.

At his death in the 80's, you could still buy some of his work below $4-5,000. Eek

We greatly enjoy our piece, and PlanoWino also has a couple of wonderful works. My twin DoktaP almost bought a beautiful Chagall last year.


Apparently he produced some 10,000 works in his 97 years. Given that theoretical supply, you'd think prices would still be somewhat sane. What's the entry price point nowadays?

Your piece - what era is it from? I'm guessing 1940's?
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Apparently he produced some 10,000 works in his 97 years. Given that theoretical supply, you'd think prices would still be somewhat sane. What's the entry price point nowadays?

Your piece - what era is it from? I'm guessing 1940's?


Vin, you are right. Like so many of the great artist of the Modern Era, printmaking was a serious art form. Many of the serious worldwide exhibits today include well executed prints.

There are quality Chagall prints available for a few thousand indeed, but as you know, there are many variables that one needs to understand.

All this said, Picasso produced 30,000 works, and buying/understanding this minefield can be VERY expensive. Smile

Our Chagall is from 1960.
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The DMA has an exhibit currently offering many of Jean Paul Gaultier works.

I enjoyed it more than I thought I might have.

Organized by the Montreal Museum of Fine Arts in collaboration with Maison Jean Paul Gaultier, the exhibition premiered in Montreal in June.

D really wanted to see this and I attended somewhat reluctantly. At the end of the exhibition my feelings mimiked yours. Worth seeing, IMO.
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The DMA has an exhibit currently offering many of Jean Paul Gaultier works.

I enjoyed it more than I thought I might have.

Organized by the Montreal Museum of Fine Arts in collaboration with Maison Jean Paul Gaultier, the exhibition premiered in Montreal in June.

D really wanted to see this and I attended somewhat reluctantly. At the end of the exhibition my feelings mimiked yours. Worth seeing, IMO.


Tell D to fly here to Dallas. It will be near 70 next week, and I will pick her up at the airport, take her to the DMA, then off to a grand night of dinner and wine.

Which day works best for her? Cool
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The DMA has an exhibit currently offering many of Jean Paul Gaultier works.

I enjoyed it more than I thought I might have.

Organized by the Montreal Museum of Fine Arts in collaboration with Maison Jean Paul Gaultier, the exhibition premiered in Montreal in June.

D really wanted to see this and I attended somewhat reluctantly. At the end of the exhibition my feelings mimiked yours. Worth seeing, IMO.


Tell D to fly here to Dallas. It will be near 70 next week, and I will pick her up at the airport, take her to the DMA, then off to a grand night of dinner and wine.

Which day works best for her? Cool


I'll participate. I think D would be quite stunning in a formal dress with each of us on each arm in our bespoken suits. Big Grin
So much for the concept of "starving artist" -

Painter and graffiti artist David Choe will reportedly be making $200 million for a mural he painted seven years ago. So did Choe paint the next Mona Lisa? Not exactly. In 2005, Choe was asked by then-Facebook President Sean Parker to create a mural for the first Facebook offices in Palo Alto. Choe was given two options: get paid thousands of dollars on the spot or take his payment in Facebook stock. Luckily for Choe, he picked the stock. Facebook filed the paperwork to go public yesterday, with an initial public offering of $5 billion. That means that a ton of people who are associated with the company are instant millionaires--including Choe, whose stocks are predicted to be worth hundreds of millions. Perhaps the most ironic facet of this story is that at the time Choe was painting the mural, he tells the New York Times, he thought Facebook was "pointless and ridiculous." People on Twitter may be hating a little bit, with one person saying that Choe is "about to be the world's most resented artist."
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So much for the concept of "starving artist" -

Painter and graffiti artist David Choe will reportedly be making $200 million for a mural he painted seven years ago. So did Choe paint the next Mona Lisa? Not exactly. In 2005, Choe was asked by then-Facebook President Sean Parker to create a mural for the first Facebook offices in Palo Alto. Choe was given two options: get paid thousands of dollars on the spot or take his payment in Facebook stock. Luckily for Choe, he picked the stock. Facebook filed the paperwork to go public yesterday, with an initial public offering of $5 billion. That means that a ton of people who are associated with the company are instant millionaires--including Choe, whose stocks are predicted to be worth hundreds of millions. Perhaps the most ironic facet of this story is that at the time Choe was painting the mural, he tells the New York Times, he thought Facebook was "pointless and ridiculous." People on Twitter may be hating a little bit, with one person saying that Choe is "about to be the world's most resented artist."
this has less to do with the art itself, more to do with an excellent business decision made at the time...well done Choe!
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I'm confused. Why in the world would he have chosen the stock shares in lieu of cash if he thought Facebook was "pointless and ridiculous"? Crazy


SD, I can see him thinking/saying this, yet opting for the stock. He is an interesting person. Wink

I first saw his work in Chelsea, and was blown away. He has taken Spain by storm, and Spain is as avant-garde as anyplace in the world today pertaining to art.
sorry, I thought I recalled bringing up these artists names before and you didn't care for them, or said "ahem"or something like that

maybe another chance for re-eval?
Damon Soule
http://www.juxtapoz.com/Featur...hat-with-damon-soule

Jeff Soto
http://jonathanlevinegallery.c...8EB-92905B887370CF8E

Mars-1
http://jonathanlevinegallery.c...562-AA250071304E1A24

Ron English
http://www.popaganda.com/blog1...persuppercropped-jpg
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sorry, I thought I recalled bringing up these artists names before and you didn't care for them, or said "ahem"or something like that

maybe another chance for re-eval?
Damon Soule
http://www.juxtapoz.com/Featur...hat-with-damon-soule

Jeff Soto
http://jonathanlevinegallery.c...8EB-92905B887370CF8E

Mars-1
http://jonathanlevinegallery.c...562-AA250071304E1A24

Ron English
http://www.popaganda.com/blog1...persuppercropped-jpg


Are you a collector of this style of art?
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3' X 5'. Should be complete in a couple of weeks. At that size, should we get it framed? Or just stretched?


Completely depends on the style of the work.

Vin, saw your email.

I personally would not frame if your new piece is anything like the Nightingale work, other than considering a museum only frame with proper negative space which should not even be noticed.

I'm looking forward to seeing your new work!
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Me too. Commissioning a piece of art is a little unnerving.


I have never been obligated to buy if I did not love a commissioned work. Are you committed, regardless?


No. But it would be awkward if...


It should not be, Vin. A no go is more common than you may think.

You are already a client of his, and clearly have interest in more of his work. The only question is which work, and that can not be guaranteed in advance.

There are rules, nuances and in someways a rhythm in the art world, but candid and transparent communication should never include awkwardness.

You are wanting and willing to buy more of his work. The only question is, which work?

I have 25+ years of experience in this game, and a game/business it is. It is not uncommon for the artist to share his vision and outline with you along the way.

Always remember, the artist should want to exceed your expectation, and should understand this is the best way to sell you a third piece even before you buy your second work.
Vin, speaking of awkward, do you read Eric Banks and his views on art?

He has a great piece this month in Town & Country, called That's Awkward. Big Grin

It is talking about provocative art that is in the homes of serious collectors, and the conversations it has caused when little Sally has her birthday party with her first grade friends at her home...or the reaction of new friends drop in for the first time...or Cool

I had a number of friends over recently from our neighborhood, including new neighbors that happen to be gay. Well, when they found one of our Helmut Newton books sitting out, the party took on a different focus indeed. LOL
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Me too. Commissioning a piece of art is a little unnerving.


I have never been obligated to buy if I did not love a commissioned work. Are you committed, regardless?


No. But it would be awkward if...


It should not be, Vin. A no go is more common than you may think.

You are already a client of his, and clearly have interest in more of his work. The only question is which work, and that can not be guaranteed in advance.

There are rules, nuances and in someways a rhythm in the art world, but candid and transparent communication should never include awkwardness.

You are wanting and willing to buy more of his work. The only question is, which work?

I have 25+ years of experience in this game, and a game/business it is. It is not uncommon for the artist to share his vision and outline with you along the way.

Always remember, the artist should want to exceed your expectation, and should understand this is the best way to sell you a third piece even before you buy your second work.


Sage advice. Thank you.

I will be sure to share a photo when the deed is done. Wink
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On another note, have you ever had an interest in, or acquired any art glass? It has always fascinated me as a medium.


Vin, I have made two monumental mistakes in art. One was not buying a Dale Chihuly (glass) piece in 1981 (?) for less than $500, and also not buying a Rufino Tamayo work in 1990 for $7500.

We absolutely loved the Tamayo piece, but I was trying to fund our kids college fund and had our house on a 15 year note. Tamayo died the next year and the piece was auctioned off at $47,000. Mad The same piece has since been sold for well over $100k. I knew the piece was worth $20k plus when we found it, but I just could not talk myself into writing the check.

The Chiluly work I was never crazy about, but D liked it. Every time he is in the news, or we stay at the Bellagio in Vegas, I hear a smart ass comment... I wonder what that piece would be worth now? Red Face

I have looked at buying glass art, but just never have. Seaquam ( a forum member that does not post enough) has a couple of nice works I liked a lot. Overall, glass art just does not fall into the genres we have great passion for, but you never know.
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Originally posted by VinToronto:
On another note, have you ever had an interest in, or acquired any art glass? It has always fascinated me as a medium.


Vin, I have made two monumental mistakes in art. One was not buying a Dale Chihuly (glass) piece in 1981 (?) for less than $500, and also not buying a Rufino Tamayo work in 1990 for $7500.

We absolutely loved the Tamayo piece, but I was trying to fund our kids college fund and had our house on a 15 year note. Tamayo died the next year and the piece was auctioned off at $47,000. Mad The same piece has since been sold for well over $100k. I knew the piece was worth $20k plus when we found it, but I just could not talk myself into writing the check.

The Chiluly work I was never crazy about, but D liked it. Every time he is in the news, or we stay at the Bellagio in Vegas, I hear a smart ass comment... I wonder what that piece would be worth now? Red Face

I have looked at buying glass art, but just never have. Seaquam ( a forum member that does not post enough) has a couple of nice works I liked a lot. Overall, glass art just does not fall into the genres we have great passion for, but you never know.


A Chihuly for sub-$500?? Bang Bang Great story!

I've taken a bunch of glassblowing courses and still have yet to progress much past the blobby paperweight/basic vase stage. That's why it fascinates me - because it's WAY harder than it looks. And great glass artists make it look easy. I have a few pieces, but I'm really waiting for some renos to be completed before we have the perfect spot to put a nice piece.

One of my fave glass artists is Jeff Goodman. Buying one of his pieces is definitely on my bucket list.
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Vin, your post prompted me to schedule a visit to the artist I'm negotiating with for a new outdoor sculpture... thank you.

We had a very productive 2+ hour meeting today, and I'm encouraged.


Excellent! If you have a moment, could you possibly email me the name of the artist? I'd love to see what kind of style you're contemplating. Thanks.
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Vin, I have made two monumental mistakes in art. One was not buying a Dale Chihuly (glass) piece in 1981 (?) for less than $500, ...

I'd be curious to hear your take aesthetically on Chihuly's work, aside from the investment aspect. For me there's a fine line between having a recognizable character to one's work and simply repeating oneself over and over. Having worked in a building with a 30-foot installation by Chihuly, perhaps I take for granted his impact/genius.
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Went to an art festival today and we bought our first original piece of art. Its a whimsical painting that will go very well in our daughters room. We bought a print from the same artist last year that is hanging in her room now. We might make this an annual tradition, at least until her walls are filled . . . or my wallet is empty. Wink


Well played, Jack.
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Originally posted by wine+art:
Vin, I have made two monumental mistakes in art. One was not buying a Dale Chihuly (glass) piece in 1981 (?) for less than $500, ...

I'd be curious to hear your take aesthetically on Chihuly's work, aside from the investment aspect. For me there's a fine line between having a recognizable character to one's work and simply repeating oneself over and over. Having worked in a building with a 30-foot installation by Chihuly, perhaps I take for granted his impact/genius.


We shall talk of this in Vegas...perhaps at the Bellagio. Wink
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Originally posted by stickman:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
Vin, I have made two monumental mistakes in art. One was not buying a Dale Chihuly (glass) piece in 1981 (?) for less than $500, ...

I'd be curious to hear your take aesthetically on Chihuly's work...

We shall talk of this in Vegas...perhaps at the Bellagio. Wink

How appropriate! Smile
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by VinToronto:
On another note, have you ever had an interest in, or acquired any art glass? It has always fascinated me as a medium.


Vin, I have made two monumental mistakes in art. One was not buying a Dale Chihuly (glass) piece in 1981 (?) for less than $500, and also not buying a Rufino Tamayo work in 1990 for $7500.

We absolutely loved the Tamayo piece, but I was trying to fund our kids college fund and had our house on a 15 year note. Tamayo died the next year and the piece was auctioned off at $47,000. Mad The same piece has since been sold for well over $100k. I knew the piece was worth $20k plus when we found it, but I just could not talk myself into writing the check.

The Chiluly work I was never crazy about, but D liked it. Every time he is in the news, or we stay at the Bellagio in Vegas, I hear a smart ass comment... I wonder what that piece would be worth now? Red Face

I have looked at buying glass art, but just never have. Seaquam ( a forum member that does not post enough) has a couple of nice works I liked a lot. Overall, glass art just does not fall into the genres we have great passion for, but you never know.


A Chihuly for sub-$500?? Bang Bang Great story!

I've taken a bunch of glassblowing courses and still have yet to progress much past the blobby paperweight/basic vase stage. That's why it fascinates me - because it's WAY harder than it looks. And great glass artists make it look easy. I have a few pieces, but I'm really waiting for some renos to be completed before we have the perfect spot to put a nice piece.

One of my fave glass artists is Jeff Goodman. Buying one of his pieces is definitely on my bucket list.



Couple of months ago we were visiting our favorite gallery in Seattle, and were taken into the back warehouse where they keep their bigger pieces. Despite its comparatively modest size in that context where it was dwarfed, both my wife's and my eyes were immediately drawn to a colorful blown glass bowl that was stunning! Chihuly, of course, offered at $48000. His work has a drama that surpasses almost all other art glass. If I were never intending to buy another bottle of wine in my lifetime, I might have made an offer on that piece. I was told that our reaction to the piece is common when people come into the back area.

That said, we like and collect a bit of art glass. We have a few special Lalique vases, Merrilee Moore and Robert Held pieces, and some circa-1930s art deco vases. Paintings are still our preferred passion, though.
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Seaquam, the last time we emailed, you were thinking sculpture.

Did you and S every buy?

D and I are thinking of a new sculpture for the yard.


Since last we spoke, a great deal has happened, most of it not good. Art acquisitions have not been in the forefront of my mind. However, we are still seriously thinking of a Will Robinson piece. If you click on the link, the 2nd and 8th pieces are the ones we like, though there are 4 others that aren't in the gallery's portfolio for which we are waiting to see photographs.

Anyway, I am fortunate-- as are so many others-- to be able to live vicariously through you and D whenever I'm not buying my own art, even if the excitement is somewhat less for me. Smile
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I am fortunate-- as are so many others-- to be able to live vicariously through you and D whenever I'm not buying my own art, even if the excitement is somewhat less for me. Smile

Big Grin

I've missed reading the quick pen of Seaquam as often these days. Good to see you posting!


Seaquam is indeed, one of a kind. Cool
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Vin, your post prompted me to schedule a visit to the artist I'm negotiating with for a new outdoor sculpture... thank you.

We had a very productive 2+ hour meeting today, and I'm encouraged.


Really, an outdoor sculpture? People do that? Honestly, I wouldn't even know who to ask or where to look.

I purchased a 3x4' rug from Nain (pronounced Nay-een) that is a stunning brilliant white background with blues and greens. I have no idea where I will place it, and that's half the fun.
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Originally posted by wine+art:
Vin, your post prompted me to schedule a visit to the artist I'm negotiating with for a new outdoor sculpture... thank you.

We had a very productive 2+ hour meeting today, and I'm encouraged.


Really, an outdoor sculpture? People do that? Honestly, I wouldn't even know who to ask or where to look.

Well, I'm not sure about people, but I do. Smile We have one already, and would like to add more over time.

I purchased a 3x4' rug from Nain (pronounced Nay-een) that is a stunning brilliant white background with blues and greens. I have no idea where I will place it, and that's half the fun.... Oh, the where would we put it question. I understand that! Wink Both of our children also love art, so they often get a piece ( on loan) to put in their home when we buy. Always a good problem, I think. Your new Nain sounds wonderful.
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Spent about 4 hours in the Musee D’Orsay today. I’m far from an art enthusiast but I do love this place.


Then you saw the Degas exhibition. We would have loved to be able to see it, but it ends the day we arrive.

In some ways, the most beautiful example of art at the D'Orsay is the building itself.
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And the answer is...?


Will bring a couple home on loan for a week or two.


Well done! If you have a moment and your iPhone handy...


Vin, Belk le Rat will try out our home this coming weekend. I will send you an email.


Excellent! Thanks. And glad to see you made it home in one piece. Wink
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And the answer is...?


Will bring a couple home on loan for a week or two.


Well done! If you have a moment and your iPhone handy...


Vin, Belk le Rat will try out our home this coming weekend. I will send you an email.


Excellent! Thanks. And glad to see you made it home in one piece. Wink


Home yes, but not too sure about in how many pieces.
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khmark7, I curse thee. Razz

I'm not a rug person, and I do NOT need any other bad hobbies. This said, I found an 1880 Oushak rug that I thought was beautiful. ( 9x14?)

Are these serious rugs?


Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Serious....that's another story. I'm not familiar with that style of rug, but one can always have the rug appraised. I've learned over time what traits and characteristics to look for in a quality rug, but it's a tricky business.

Rugs of high quality can easily last many decades, even with heavy wear.
Thanks khmark7.

The larger rug sold for $89,000, which everyone in the know was shocked at such a low price.

There is a smaller rug I liked, but know nothing about such. There are several smaller rugs for under $8000.

One of my art brokers bought an 1800's Oushak for under $70,000 and flipped it for over $100k in two months.

Like I said, I know nothing about this game.

Thanks for your opinion.
Interesting W+A....certainly classic old rugs are higher in value, but not know where the rug was made, and the quality, it's hard to provide much information. One not need to look for antique rugs however to find outstanding beauty....you simply need to know where to look right now. There is no need to spend $8,000....even for larger rugs.
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Originally posted by wine+art:
khmark7, I curse thee. Razz

I'm not a rug person, and I do NOT need any other bad hobbies. This said, I found an 1880 Oushak rug that I thought was beautiful. ( 9x14?)

Are these serious rugs?


Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Serious....that's another story. I'm not familiar with that style of rug, but one can always have the rug appraised. I've learned over time what traits and characteristics to look for in a quality rug, but it's a tricky business.

Rugs of high quality can easily last many decades, even with heavy wear.


I quite like Usak/Oushak rugs. Especially with age on them as the washed out, muted colours are very easy on my eyes. I don't get the are they "serious" rugs though. Pretty much all rugs that are handmade from that region can be collectible to someone. I've got quite a few very tribal (read coarse, made in a tent) rugs that are just as collectible and tradeable as a silk kashan rug. Don't get caught up thinking you can only buy Nain or Qum or Esfahan rugs to be a true collector.
Just my opinion. "Serious" rugs = Iran Similiar to Champagne vs. sparkling wines. Are there quality sparkling wines made outside of Champagne? Absolutely, but they still are not Champagne. Rugs from Iran are the highest of quality, command the highest resale value and their patterns are copied the world over.

Tribal rugs are very cool, and i actually much enjoy Kazak rugs hand made in Pakistan.... Oushak rugs I believe are hand made in Turkey, not that there is anything wrong with that.
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Just my opinion. "Serious" rugs = Iran Similiar to Champagne vs. sparkling wines. Are there quality sparkling wines made outside of Champagne? Absolutely, but they still are not Champagne. Rugs from Iran are the highest of quality, command the highest resale value and their patterns are copied the world over.

Tribal rugs are very cool, and i actually much enjoy Kazak rugs hand made in Pakistan.... Oushak rugs I believe are hand made in Turkey, not that there is anything wrong with that.


An Oushak rug sold at Christies for $159k in 2008. I'd call that serious.

Maybe instead of the Champagne/Sparkling wine description you can say the best of Iranian (Nain, Qum, Esfahan etc.) are the Bordeaux 1st growths (at the top end of the manufacturing - just because they are from there doesn't mean they are museum worthy!). 1st growth's are great, but there is a lot of very serious, collectible wine outside of them.

I'd take a really great, antique Qashqai over a more modern, good but not great, quality Nain anytime. Just like I'd take a 1999 La Landonne over a 2002 Haut Brion.