Waiting for the Jedi to chime in here...
Follow-up for wine+art and Rob. . .
wine+art, thanks for the rec of the gallery in Atlanta . . . found what I was looking for and making a purchase today.
Rob -- contacted the gallery you mentioned in Cleveland as well. They have the actual photo I was originally looking for, but at $50,000, I rearranged my preferences!
thanks gentlemen!
wine+art, thanks for the rec of the gallery in Atlanta . . . found what I was looking for and making a purchase today.
Rob -- contacted the gallery you mentioned in Cleveland as well. They have the actual photo I was originally looking for, but at $50,000, I rearranged my preferences!
thanks gentlemen!
Last hammer price was $8,000 which was below pre-auction estimates of 10-12k. Sure you have a line on a printer but if not Stefania has a friend in Seatle who does high quality commercial work.
Another idea is bringing the jpeg to someone with a large-format printer to output onto an interesting medium, like parchment or even handmade paper to give the piece some texture.
quote:Originally posted by Parcival:
Follow-up for wine+art and Rob. . .
wine+art, thanks for the rec of the gallery in Atlanta . . . found what I was looking for and making a purchase today.
Rob -- contacted the gallery you mentioned in Cleveland as well. They have the actual photo I was originally looking for, but at $50,000, I rearranged my preferences!
thanks gentlemen!
Glad I could partially help! I knew they had had an exhibition of his, so I was reasonably sure they would have a line on product. But yikes on the price!
I have a lot of giclee hate, but when you can't afford the artist's original work, it really is your only option if you want to display some of their work.
GOOD NIGHT, there is a lot of misinformation within this thread recently! 
A better conversation to have over wine, but I will post some opinions soon.
Off to a meeting...
A better conversation to have over wine, but I will post some opinions soon.
Off to a meeting...
quote:Originally posted by Parcival:
Follow-up for wine+art and Rob. . .
wine+art, thanks for the rec of the gallery in Atlanta . . . found what I was looking for and making a purchase today.
Rob -- contacted the gallery you mentioned in Cleveland as well. They have the actual photo I was originally looking for, but at $50,000, I rearranged my preferences!
thanks gentlemen!
Excellent, Parcival. Please do not give the work a score.
You should keep both of these galleries on you contact list. Both are excellent.
quote:Originally posted by wine+art:
GOOD NIGHT, there is a lot of misinformation within this thread recently!
A better conversation to have over wine, but I will post some opinions soon.
Off to a meeting...
I'm flying MIA-DFW-AUS tomorrow, then back on Monday.
I'll be in Austin all weekend...
quote:Originally posted by wine+art:quote:Originally posted by Parcival:
Follow-up for wine+art and Rob. . .
wine+art, thanks for the rec of the gallery in Atlanta . . . found what I was looking for and making a purchase today.
Rob -- contacted the gallery you mentioned in Cleveland as well. They have the actual photo I was originally looking for, but at $50,000, I rearranged my preferences!
thanks gentlemen!
Excellent, Parcival. Please do not give the work a score.
You should keep both of these galleries on you contact list. Both are excellent.
I have a strict "no scores" rule on art! Learning to apply that rule to wine as well!
Any of you familiar with the Italian illustrator, Franco Matticchio?
I've been digging some of his work lately.
His Facebook page is the most complete archive I could find.
I've been digging some of his work lately.
His Facebook page is the most complete archive I could find.
w+a
question for you. With a little more research, I have uncovered another option for the Eisenstaedt print I am looking to purchase.
Here are the options:
A) Original gelatin silver print released by Time Life through Circle Gallery. 20x24 for $55,000; edition size = 250 (not going to happen)
B) Limited edition 30x40(edition size of 40) archival pigment print; $9,500 (much better)
C) Limited edition 16x20 silver gelatin print containing three images from the original negative strip; Each image is approximately 4x6 in size. $4000 (even better)
Question -- I have seen both Option A and C. Option A is spectacular; Option C is also very striking though the expressions on the childrens' faces are not as striking at such a small size. No experience with option B. Apparently, this is a digital print, printed on demand that will be limited to a run of 40 prints. The size is actually ideal, but is this collection-worthy or is this merely a "poster"
question for you. With a little more research, I have uncovered another option for the Eisenstaedt print I am looking to purchase.
Here are the options:
A) Original gelatin silver print released by Time Life through Circle Gallery. 20x24 for $55,000; edition size = 250 (not going to happen)
B) Limited edition 30x40(edition size of 40) archival pigment print; $9,500 (much better)
C) Limited edition 16x20 silver gelatin print containing three images from the original negative strip; Each image is approximately 4x6 in size. $4000 (even better)
Question -- I have seen both Option A and C. Option A is spectacular; Option C is also very striking though the expressions on the childrens' faces are not as striking at such a small size. No experience with option B. Apparently, this is a digital print, printed on demand that will be limited to a run of 40 prints. The size is actually ideal, but is this collection-worthy or is this merely a "poster"
In 5 years are you going to look at option C on your wall and say "I really like it, but it doesn't fit exactly what I was looking for and I feel a little let down when I look at it."?
Be honest, because deep deep down you know the answer (one way or another). It's not exactly what was in your mind when you were looking for the piece.
Now if you think that, "I was looking for A but C gives me three aspects and it's even more interesting because it's something that most people have never seen even that know the work, It's rare and unique", I would jump all over C.
A real print is always going to be better than something someone hit print to produce in my mind.
Be honest, because deep deep down you know the answer (one way or another). It's not exactly what was in your mind when you were looking for the piece.
Now if you think that, "I was looking for A but C gives me three aspects and it's even more interesting because it's something that most people have never seen even that know the work, It's rare and unique", I would jump all over C.
A real print is always going to be better than something someone hit print to produce in my mind.
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w+a
question for you.
Parcival, you are way out of my comfort zone. I'm just not a photography collector, sorry. It is just something I should not offer an opinion on. Now, if we are talking modern or contemporary art and sculpture...
There has been a lot of things posted recently in this thread I take umbrage to, just have not had the time to reply.
Always remember, you are not married to your purchases. Art can serve a purpose for only a single season in your life, or it may serve you well for all four seasons in your life. For me, art is about passion, joy and adding richness and layers to my life. It is never about investment even though I know it can be.
With this said, you will know what the right call is for you, and no need to over think it as long as the cost is within your fun money budget.
I love the word umbrage. Funny actually, yesterday morning I was in the shower deep in thought about my favorite words. When else do you get to stand there in peace and quiet and think of ridiculous and inane (another favorite) things like that? and umbrage was in the internal conversation. Copse as always won out though...
w+a is very very much more knowledgeable than me on all things art and art collecting but I think he comes from a point of view of recycling or turning over your collection is something you do.
I'm a hoarder and even if I should, I don't sell many things, just buy. So he is very very reasonable in his point saying if the piece you choose does it for you for a year or 10 you can replace it when it no longer does. I need to remind myself to think that way but I usually don't hence my comment above (which I think holds water either way, don't get something you like but don't love because it partially scratches an itch).
w+a is very very much more knowledgeable than me on all things art and art collecting but I think he comes from a point of view of recycling or turning over your collection is something you do.
I'm a hoarder and even if I should, I don't sell many things, just buy. So he is very very reasonable in his point saying if the piece you choose does it for you for a year or 10 you can replace it when it no longer does. I need to remind myself to think that way but I usually don't hence my comment above (which I think holds water either way, don't get something you like but don't love because it partially scratches an itch).
I too am going to validate the use of the word umbrage! Just not used as much as it should be.
That said, thanks for the advice. I think you're right. This could be an over-thought process, but I know in my gut where I want to go with this . . . and that's where I'm going!
thanks again gentlemen!
That said, thanks for the advice. I think you're right. This could be an over-thought process, but I know in my gut where I want to go with this . . . and that's where I'm going!
thanks again gentlemen!
Rob brings up an interesting point. I shall not only not take umbrage with his point, but will contemplate the vicissitudes of it. 
All kidding aside, I do not think I have ever purchased a piece I thought I might one day sell or in my cases, have the kids take to their homes.
I have just found that sometimes I or my wife will look at a piece and think, the work is now too complete/understand for me, or perhaps the emotion it once touched in me I no longer have at this time in my life, or... We move our art often, and each time the piece is often new again within a different setting and light.
For me, art is never static, but ever changing and evolving as I want to be in my life, but at the end of the day, we only have so many walls in our two homes. I do understand Rob's way of collecting as well.
All kidding aside, I do not think I have ever purchased a piece I thought I might one day sell or in my cases, have the kids take to their homes.
I have just found that sometimes I or my wife will look at a piece and think, the work is now too complete/understand for me, or perhaps the emotion it once touched in me I no longer have at this time in my life, or... We move our art often, and each time the piece is often new again within a different setting and light.
For me, art is never static, but ever changing and evolving as I want to be in my life, but at the end of the day, we only have so many walls in our two homes. I do understand Rob's way of collecting as well.
I'm not sure what caused the umbragation. Certainly there were some unknowledgeable statements made (including by me) but we were deferring to someone (hint, hint) to give us some clarity on the print and copy process and options.
OT, just saw a commercial for Estee Lauder's Modern Muse perfume shot in the NY Guggenheim.
OT, just saw a commercial for Estee Lauder's Modern Muse perfume shot in the NY Guggenheim.
We are going to see the Warhol Out West exhibit today and then walk the City Center sculpture exhibit here in Vegas today.
The sculpture exhibit has works by Moore, Oldenburg and many others.
The sculpture exhibit has works by Moore, Oldenburg and many others.
quote:Originally posted by wine+art:
We are going to see the Warhol Out West exhibit today and then walk the City Center sculpture exhibit here in Vegas today.
The sculpture exhibit has works by Moore, Oldenburg and many others.
I think the Moore is sadly sited. Note, the Nancy Rubin's is similar to the one that San Diego didn't have the courage to purchase.
quote:Originally posted by The Old Man:
I think the Moore is sadly sited.
Welcome to Vegas.
There is an exhibit opening this Friday exhibiting the last art the Kennedy's saw/enjoyed together.
Their hotel room in Ft. Worth was adorned with works by Picasso, Kline, Moore and other giants, and these pieces will be on exhibit. The Kennedy's loved art, and the First Lady went on and on about the art, but I just find this somewhat troublesome and disturbing.
I need more time to think about this...
Their hotel room in Ft. Worth was adorned with works by Picasso, Kline, Moore and other giants, and these pieces will be on exhibit. The Kennedy's loved art, and the First Lady went on and on about the art, but I just find this somewhat troublesome and disturbing.
I need more time to think about this...
Took in the Warhol Out West exhibit yesterday. It is a smart and well done exhibit, and the audio was very informative.
Andy's dominance over the last 50 years in the art world continues with no end in sight currently.
Andy's dominance over the last 50 years in the art world continues with no end in sight currently.
quote:Originally posted by wine+art:
Took in the Warhol Out West exhibit yesterday. It is a smart and well done exhibit, and the audio was very informative.
Andy's dominance over the last 50 years in the art world continues with no end in sight currently.
Is it a dominance based upon artistic merit or from popularity?
quote:Originally posted by ThistlinTom:quote:Originally posted by wine+art:
Took in the Warhol Out West exhibit yesterday. It is a smart and well done exhibit, and the audio was very informative.
Andy's dominance over the last 50 years in the art world continues with no end in sight currently.
Is it a dominance based upon artistic merit or from popularity?
The best modern art makes one look differently at the world. Whether it's a soup can or an electric chair. By that criteria (which I'm admitting is my own) Warhol succeeded spectacularly. However he's not my favorite Modern (or Contemporary) artist by far. Just thought of another indication of his special place--almost everyone can tell his work at a glance.
quote:Originally posted by ThistlinTom:quote:Originally posted by wine+art:
Took in the Warhol Out West exhibit yesterday. It is a smart and well done exhibit, and the audio was very informative.
Andy's dominance over the last 50 years in the art world continues with no end in sight currently.
Is it a dominance based upon artistic merit or from popularity?
A 50+ year run with no end insight, works selling for record highs year after year, demand continuing to grow, his influence hitting you in the face in major gallery after major gallery worldwide, museums continuing to collect and being positively vetted out over decades by critics and scholars is merit without debate or conversation.
Popular? See Thomas Kinkade, Americas most collected artist.
quote:Originally posted by wine+art:Popular? See Thomas Kinkade, Americas most collected artist.
Ah, the Painter of Light. We were fortunate to have the heir apparent to Rembrandt alive in our time. (Insert winky face here.)
Going to the Clyfford Still museum today.
quote:Originally posted by wine+art:
Popular? See Thomas Kinkade, Americas most collected artist.
Or cruise art fairs and festivals. Doggie and Kitty art, as I like to call it, is 90% of what's getting sold out there as 'art'.
I've looked at more cute kitty pictures than any human should have to be tortured with to find a gem here or there.
quote:Originally posted by wine+art:
Going to the Clyfford Still museum today.
Are you ever gonna get around to elaborating on your umbrage?
quote:Originally posted by Jorgerunfast:quote:Originally posted by wine+art:
Going to the Clyfford Still museum today.
Are you ever gonna get around to elaborating on your umbrage?
+1
quote:Originally posted by The Old Man:quote:Originally posted by Jorgerunfast:quote:Originally posted by wine+art:
Going to the Clyfford Still museum today.
Are you ever gonna get around to elaborating on your umbrage?
+1
Ha... I really need a computer to reply, and I have not had one in weeks. Just too much to type on an iPhone.
I see where two Giacometti works will be auctioned at Sotheby's in NYC next month. If only Dallas' Ray Nasher were still alive.
These two works may very well push the $100M mark.
These two works may very well push the $100M mark.
quote:Originally posted by wine+art:
I see where two Giacometti works will be auctioned at Sotheby's in NYC next month. If only Dallas' Ray Nasher were still alive.
These two works may very well push the $100M mark.
We saw his 'Walking man' at the Foundation Maeght a couple of years ago and was by far the museum highlight for me.
quote:Originally posted by Jabe11:quote:Originally posted by wine+art:
I see where two Giacometti works will be auctioned at Sotheby's in NYC next month. If only Dallas' Ray Nasher were still alive.
These two works may very well push the $100M mark.
We saw his 'Walking man' at the Foundation Maeght a couple of years ago and was by far the museum highlight for me.
Jabe, excellent. You must visit the Nasher Sculpture Center here in Dallas. They have 15 of Giacometti's works including Spoon Women & a Walking Man.
quote:Originally posted by wine+art:
Jabe, excellent. You must visit the Nasher Sculpture Center here in Dallas. They have 15 of Giacometti's works including Spoon Women & a Walking Man.
The NSC does indeed make for a pleasant afternoon. We spent an inordinate amount of time inside James Turrell's Tending (Blue).
PAGING wine+art,
Anna in Atlanta wants to say thank you! Didn't have your real name to provide when she asked me about the referral. I gave her as much as I had to go on (Dallas + Sante Fe; avid art collector and wine lover) . . . didn't ring any bells with her but she wanted to express her appreciation for the referral
Art coming my way from her in a few weeks
thanks from me again as well. She was a joy to work with!
Anna in Atlanta wants to say thank you! Didn't have your real name to provide when she asked me about the referral. I gave her as much as I had to go on (Dallas + Sante Fe; avid art collector and wine lover) . . . didn't ring any bells with her but she wanted to express her appreciation for the referral
Art coming my way from her in a few weeks
thanks from me again as well. She was a joy to work with!
Parcival,
Congratulations! I know you are so excited about your new piece.
I will drop Anna a note. I bought a Henri Cartier Bresson there and asked for help finding a Helmut Newton work.
I'm not a photograph guy, but do have a few pieces.
Congrats again, and glad you found something you like.
Congratulations! I know you are so excited about your new piece.
I will drop Anna a note. I bought a Henri Cartier Bresson there and asked for help finding a Helmut Newton work.
I'm not a photograph guy, but do have a few pieces.
Congrats again, and glad you found something you like.