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Agree completely with you PH.
Whenever I used to introduce her music to anyone for the first time, I'd follow it up with "enjoy her while you can as she probably won't be with us for long". It really is too bad, as you said what a talent. I'll have to play one of her cds tonight in her honor.

Hopefully she finally finds some peace.
Listened to Back to Black last night and heard a lyric that seemed appropriate. A little out of context, but chilling nonetheless......

I cheated myself,
Like I knew I would,
I told you I was trouble,
You know that I'm no good....


Interesting about the collection of 27 year old rock star deaths. Although she certainly wasn't in their league, I wonder what Jimi, Janis, Jim and Kurt would be up to had then not also squandered their chances.

PH
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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
Listened to Back to Black last night and heard a lyric that seemed appropriate. A little out of context, but chilling nonetheless......

I cheated myself,
Like I knew I would,
I told you I was trouble,
You know that I'm no good....


Interesting about the collection of 27 year old rock star deaths. Although she certainly wasn't in their league, I wonder what Jimi, Janis, Jim and Kurt would be up to had then not also squandered their chances.

PH

It is kinda crazy. However, with the aforementioned singers, it was hard to believe they were only 27 when they had passed considering the extraordinary body of work each had already accumulated at the time of their passing. Their genius and talent was so great, that they seemed years older than they actually were. Each was really a defining musical figure, and despite their demons, their music was never overshadowed. Winehouse, on the other hand, although very talented, was more famous for her crazy antics, than her music. She seemed like a 27 yo. Her body of work was not nearly as impressive- in fact, nowhere even close to Jim, Janis, Jimi and Kurt. Her Back to Black CD was very good, but she is certainly not a defining musical artist of this generation. Her craziness always trumped her musical gifts.
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
Listened to Back to Black last night and heard a lyric that seemed appropriate. A little out of context, but chilling nonetheless......

I cheated myself,
Like I knew I would,
I told you I was trouble,
You know that I'm no good....


Interesting about the collection of 27 year old rock star deaths. Although she certainly wasn't in their league, I wonder what Jimi, Janis, Jim and Kurt would be up to had then not also squandered their chances.

PH

It is kinda crazy. However, with the aforementioned singers, it was hard to believe they were only 27 when they had passed considering the extraordinary body of work each had already accumulated at the time of their passing. Their genius and talent was so great, that they seemed years older than they actually were. Each was really a defining musical figure, and despite their demons, their music was never overshadowed. Winehouse, on the other hand, although very talented, was more famous for her crazy antics, than her music. She seemed like a 27 yo. Her body of work was not nearly as impressive- in fact, nowhere even close to Jim, Janis, Jimi and Kurt. Her Back to Black CD was very good, but she is certainly not a defining musical artist of this generation. Her craziness always trumped her musical gifts.


The three J's were before my time so I can't comment on them, but Nirvana was during the peak of my college days so I remember them well and was a huge fan. Kurt's death was one of those I remember where I was type of moments for me. Nirvana's body of work up to his death consisted of three studio albums, one of which, the sophomore release, was a bust.

There is no question to the extent of his imprint on the music world well beyond his death, but much of that was due to timing and popularity of the grunge movement, which Nirvana helped define. Kurt himself despised the popularity and felt that he sold out to mainstream.

Amy Winehouse is a train wreck and she knew it too. She talked about it in her music as PH referenced, but her voice is hauntingly mesmerizing to me. One can get lost in her music. Her musical style is not conducive to pop or counter culture so her chances of ever taking over the airwaves and defining a generation were slim regardless of personal problems.

I could have sworn that I had the cd previous to Back in Black, but I couldn't find it yesterday so I can't say for sure one existed. Back in Black is an outstanding collection of music. Like the other names listed above we can only wonder what greatness she could have accomplished if she could have kept her daemons at bay.

I'm not trying to put her in the same category as those other names because frankly she doesn't deserve to be, but her talent was something rare and special.
Very much like Janis Joplin, where the talent was primarily an atypical woman's vocals. Janis' raspy voice exuded Southern sexual desire; Amy's corralled a chorus of black gospel singers.

Joplin would slug down hard liquor while strutting on stage. Amy followed suit.

The tortured darkness that births many great musicians often begets erratic lifestyles which consumes them
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Originally posted by Dr.Tannin:

Actually, of these only Jimi Hendrix was truly special. Only he was recognized as an all time wizard on a musical instrument.


this is gonna turn into a genertaional debate, but if you're saying that kurt kobain was not as influential as jimi hendrix, you are out of your mind.

if you're referring to "who played a better guitar", then yes jimi was above and beyond kobain. but as far as their influence on music is concerned, kobain was, at least, as influential as hendrix.
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Originally posted by jorgerunfast:
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Originally posted by Dr.Tannin:

Actually, of these only Jimi Hendrix was truly special. Only he was recognized as an all time wizard on a musical instrument.


this is gonna turn into a genertaional debate, but if you're saying that kurt kobain was not as influential as jimi hendrix, you are out of your mind.

if you're referring to "who played a better guitar", then yes jimi was above and beyond kobain. but as far as their influence on music is concerned, kobain was, at least, as influential as hendrix.


relaly?

i grew up with kurt cobain, i can say I don't remember what I was doing when he got a shot gun to the face.

From the music i hear, Hendrix was the one that made me pick up the guitar.
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Originally posted by jorgerunfast:

this is gonna turn into a genertaional debate, but if you're saying that kurt kobain was not as influential as jimi hendrix, you are out of your mind.

if you're referring to "who played a better guitar", then yes jimi was above and beyond kobain. but as far as their influence on music is concerned, kobain was, at least, as influential as hendrix.


+1
I find it impressive that Pete Doherty and Shane MacGowan did not preceed her.

I won't even mentioned Keef Richards.

It's sad and incomprehensible to me that drugs or alcohol can so take over a person's life. I still can't wrap my head around how powerful these addictions must be. To override everything else.

We see people lose their careers, their possessions, their families...it even overrides the parenting "drive." I don't ever want to know the feeling, but if there was a way to "know it" and then turn it back off again, that would be something.

As to Kurt and Jimi, man, I think both had a huge impact.

Kurt was the hub of the grunge exposion. That's pretty epic, being the symbol of an entire direction of music.

Jimi mastered all that preceded him and is the hallmark for great guitar. For me, "Are You Experienced" also signalled the start of its own musical movement.

I like both.

Maybe Jimi a little more because he could cross genres.
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this is gonna turn into a genertaional debate, but if you're saying that kurt kobain was not as influential as jimi hendrix, you are out of your mind.

if you're referring to "who played a better guitar", then yes jimi was above and beyond kobain. but as far as their influence on music is concerned, kobain was, at least, as influential as hendrix.


I don't recall using the word "influential", but given Hendrix' international appeal, headliner at Woodstock [by far the most significant rock and roll musical event in my lifetime], and musical prowess with an instrument that was so extreme that he caused an entire generation to pick up the electric guitar, I can't fathom how Kurt Kobain was as you say "at least as influential as [Jimi]Hendrix." That's laughable. It's not even close AND I am very much not out of my mind.
"He is widely considered to be the greatest electric guitarist in musical history,[3][4][5] and one of the most influential musicians of his era across a range of genres.[6][7][8]... and Rolling Stone named Hendrix the top guitarist on its list of the 100 greatest guitarists of all-time in 2003[18.]Hendrix won many of the most prestigious rock music awards in his lifetime, and has been posthumously awarded many more, including being inducted into the US Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1992 and the UK Music Hall of Fame in 2005. An English Heritage blue plaque was erected in his name on his former residence at Brook Street, London, in September 1997. A star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame (at 6627 Hollywood Blvd.) was dedicated in 1994. In 2006, his debut US album, Are You Experienced, was inducted into the United States National Recording Registry. Hendrix was ranked number 3 on VH1's list of the 100 Greatest Artists of Rock N' Roll, behind the Rolling Stones and the Beatles. He has been voted by Rolling Stone, Guitar World, and a number of other magazines and polls as the best electric guitarist of all timeIn 1992, Hendrix was posthumously awarded the Grammy Lifetime Achievement Award."

These comments are about Jimi Hendrix not Kurt Kobain. Punk Rock was an important musical movement,but Sid Vicious or the Ramones are no Hendrix, either.

Gigond Ass, you're right on.

Having lived in Hendrix' era [ whose reach was worldwide on 30 years of rock and roll stars and wanna be's, with tens of billions of albums sold]
and Kobain's period [ who barely even reached the East Coast, with certainly no greater current impact with maybe 50 million albums sold ], I am reminded how history is never really appreciated by those who didn't live through it.
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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
Listened to Back to Black last night and heard a lyric that seemed appropriate. A little out of context, but chilling nonetheless......

I cheated myself,
Like I knew I would,
I told you I was trouble,
You know that I'm no good....


Interesting about the collection of 27 year old rock star deaths. Although she certainly wasn't in their league, I wonder what Jimi, Janis, Jim and Kurt would be up to had then not also squandered their chances.

PH

Doing TV commericals, reality television and headling in Vegas.
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Originally posted by Dr.Tannin:

Having lived in Hendrix' era [ whose reach was worldwide on 30 years of rock and roll stars and wanna be's, with tens of billions of albums sold]
and Kobain's period [ who barely even reached the East Coast, with certainly no greater current impact with maybe 50 million albums sold ], I am reminded how history is never really appreciated by those who didn't live through it.


nirvana sold 26 mm records.

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