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Some members of the WS Forums have called for another member, Serge Birbrair, to be banned. I do not intend to take that action -- at least, not at present.

These Forums are public and free of charge. We welcome anyone who wishes to discuss wine and related topics. Many of Serge's posts have violated our Terms of Service and been deleted, but so have many posts made by other members.

I ask all of our members to maintain a civil tone. If you see a post that you find objectionable, please report it -- but please don't respond to it in the Forums. If you have decided that anything a particular member posts is objectionable, I ask you to avoid that member's threads. If that member posts in other threads, I ask you to skip over those posts.

Unfortunately, the software we currently use to support the Forums does not offer an "Ignore" feature, which would allow you to make all of a given member's posts invisible to you. We're looking into it, but I can't say at this time when we'd be able to add this feature. Until then, I urge each of you to exercise your own discretion.
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Originally posted by Joe Meyerson, Manager, WS Online:
Some members of the WS Forums have called for another member, Serge Birbrair, to be banned. I do not intend to take that action -- at least, not at present.

These Forums are public and free of charge. We welcome anyone who wishes to discuss wine and related topics. Many of Serge's posts have violated our Terms of Service and been deleted, but so have many posts made by other members.

I ask all of our members to maintain a civil tone. If you see a post that you find objectionable, please report it -- but please don't respond to it in the Forums. If you have decided that anything a particular member posts is objectionable, I ask you to avoid that member's threads. If that member posts in other threads, I ask you to skip over those posts.

Unfortunately, the software we currently use to support the Forums does not offer an "Ignore" feature, which would allow you to make all of a given member's posts invisible to you. We're looking into it, but I can't say at this time when we'd be able to add this feature. Until then, I urge each of you to exercise your own discretion.


Unbelievable.
WS has made an appropriate response to what has a whiff of schoolyard bullying around it.

Look, Serge isn't everyone's cup of tea, but he often has interesting things to say about wine. And just as often, he has moronic things to say about something that has no wine-related value - as do many, many members of these forums, including me.

I'd even note that in the last week or so he seems to have tapered off the snippity posts and stuck to wine, more or less.

Now let's all hold hand and ... "Kumbaya, m'lord, kumbaya..."

Squirrel
Thank you very much for addressing this topic. I appreciate it. It’s a shame you had to carve the time out of your day to do so.

You acknowledge that while many of Serge’s posts have violated the TOS, so have the posts of many other members. (I not so proudly include myself in that category.) When one particular member is so prolific, the issue of scale comes in to play. I suspect he’s run afoul of the TOS more than any other member by leaps and bounds. I’m not trying to be antagonistic, just something I was mulling over.

I also wonder a bit about resources. Does it get to the point where, although philosophically repugnant, it would perhaps be easier, more efficient, for Wine Spectator to ban specific member(s) rather than having their administrators respond to a (presumably) large volume of reported posts?

Nonetheless, I respect your request for a civil tone. Going forward, I myself will certainly try to exhibit only civil behavior. In terms of an “ignore” feature, such a feature would be cool, but we’d still have to wade through all the responses to a given objectionable post, or skip reading that particular thread – the latter a shame because there is often good info throughout. Because new members join daily, my concern is they won’t necessarily see this thread asking for our cooperation.

At the risk of sounding ingratiating, I love the forums and am grateful that you continue to offer us this opportunity to discuss and learn more about wine. Thank you. Cheers!
Thank you Mr. Meyerson for making, from my point of view anyway, the correct decision for now regarding Serge Birbrair.

I know that if I were the moderator here, Serge is just one of several people who would be teetering on the edge of being banned. The fact is that the other people, who violate the terms of service just as much as Mr. Birbrair, do so in a way that seems to be much less objectionable to the members who post most often. But fair is fair, and no doubt this was taken into account.

And here's a suggestion: if you would like to make a HUGE positive difference here with little work, change the software to eliminate the display of post counts...

Mark
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Originally posted by Mark Horvatich:

I know that if I were the moderator here, Serge is just one of several people who would be teetering on the edge of being banned.


Ha-ha! Not only you're not a moderator here, you're hardly a participant. Now this is hillarious!! Maybe you should apply for a moderator position over at you know who's board. I hear he's hiring new posters with small post count.
This is the third version of WS forums in which I've participated. There has never been a regular moderator; I understand that on very rare occasions in the past people have received warning messages. To the best of my knowledge, no one has ever been banned outright.

WS has been consistent in this regard. I neither defend nor condemn it. It 's just the way things are here.

Many people have participated for a while-- some longer than what we might call "a while"-- and some have left. Despite that, there has always been a fairly impressive number of people who participate quite regularly. Everyone learns very quickly how things work, and decides to remain or leave. Despite frequent and regular complaints, the truth is more people stay than go.

And that's the way it is. What motivation is there for WS to change?
PurpleHaze and WIML beat me to the punch!!!

Joe, WEAK, WEAK ,WEAK.

For you NOT to control your own board seems lazy to me. You want "others" to keep YOU up on all of Serge's hi-jacks. You talk of his violations. What else must he do? I have been copied on many of the e-mails your have received. Like others have said above, sounds like you are trying to stop the e-mails you have been receiving.

I am glad to see your post, but a very poor poor response. You, and you alone are now allowing one "person" to chase off sooooo many of your long time members. Joe, a bad business decission period.

Best of luck Confused
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