2009 MLB Season

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Originally posted by Icewino:
Scream LIAR LIAR

I'm not screaming, but you most certainly are a liar, and a low class one at that.

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Originally posted by Board-O:

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Originally posted by Icewino:
Scream LIAR LIAR

I'm not screaming, but you most certainly are a liar, and a low class one at that.

The biggest A-Hole on these boards calling people low class trash. Too funny. If you're high class I'm happy to be in whatever class you are not but something tells me people with true class don't need to keep trying to convince themselves they're better than everyone else by writing it over and over and over. You also either have dimentia or alzheimers setting in because if you can't see that there's no lies in what I write, even though the evidence is clear right before your bi-focal covered eyes, you should seek some immediate medical help. Repeat after me. You're good enough, smart enough, and gosh darn it, people like you. Repeat that enough and you might not constantly feel the need to try and put everyone else down.

You use obscenity and vulgarity because you can't make a point without it. You come here solely to mock others when your losing Red Sux happen to win on occasion. You have no knowledge of wine and contribute nothing to this site but low class trash. Obfuscate as you will, but it's clear to all that you live in a sty.

Guess you two won't be getting together for a beer anytime soon.

The best time of the year in baseball is here, the dog days, the pennant drive, and wild card scenarios abound. Enjoy.

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Originally posted by Board-O:
You use obscenity and vulgarity because you can't make a point without it. You come here solely to mock others when your losing Red Sux happen to win on occasion. You have no knowledge of wine and contribute nothing to this site but low class trash. Obfuscate as you will, but it's clear to all that you live in a sty.

You make my points for me. Your a bold faced liar and an a-hole and you have prove it to everyone here for years.

I don't mock anyone, except the Yankee's team and now yourself. I just cheer my teams on and you can't handle that. I don't expect you to get it, just about everything else goes over your head also. Tough when the mind goes but that's where you're at I guess.

Guys, seriously. If you want to go back and forth, start a new thread entitled "Who's the biggest a-hole in the forum?"

On a BASEBALL related note, AMAZING comeback for the sox tonight. I am developing a mancrush on Victor Martinez.

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Originally posted by MiamiWineNovice:
Guys, seriously. If you want to go back and forth, start a new thread entitled "Who's the biggest a-hole in the forum?"

On a BASEBALL related note, AMAZING comeback for the sox tonight. I am developing a mancrush on Victor Martinez.

They make you and I look like we've been best friends since childhood

MAJOR save for your boys last night.

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Originally posted by MiamiWineNovice:
Guys, seriously. If you want to go back and forth, start a new thread entitled "Who's the biggest a-hole in the forum?"

I was thinking that a Hatfields vs. McCoys thread might do the trick.

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Originally posted by MiamiWineNovice:
Guys, seriously. If you want to go back and forth, start a new thread entitled "Who's the biggest a-hole in the forum?"

On a BASEBALL related note, AMAZING comeback for the sox tonight. I am developing a mancrush on Victor Martinez.

Stay away from him. He's mine

I wish the Giants could hit.

Syd, they really do make us look like friends. They're very Sharks v. Jets.

Big win for my boys. Nice to see a little comeback. I like the fact that they moved Ortiz down to the #7 spot.

Nice win for the Yanks, too... unfortunately.

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Originally posted by Icewino:
I don't mock anyone

Yes you do, liar. You mock everybody and their sports teams on the rare occasion that your team wins. You use gutter language. I guess that's how you were brought up. My parents taught me otherwise.

What I particularly enjoy is how your anger increases as your Red Sux disappear into the depths of mediocrity. It's quite funny.

Well I'm going away on vacation for the week, hopefully te Red Sox will stop their free fall by the time the Yankee's get into town or I might as well mail out the Caymus now.

As for Boring-Old...liar, liar, low class, liar, low class....broken record. Your mind to old and slow to come up with anyhting better? You're parents didn't teach you anything of class, either that or you were too stupid to comprehend and apply it to your life. You don't have any class period. If you did or if you're parent's had raised you better you'd know better than to trash people's parent like a two year old. Keep it between you and me if you have half the class you claim to. Either that or I can bring up the fact that you beat your wife. So if you want to start making stuff up about each others families just to further prove my point that you have no class despite your proper language, I'm game.

You're the biggest trash talking, mocking, grumpy old a-hole on these boards. You have proved it for years and years. Of you're 20,000+ posts at least half are low rent personal attacks or mocking of others. Anyone who's been around for any length of time knows that to be the fact. Simply because you don't use foul language occasionally doesn't make you have any class.

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Originally posted by Icewino:
Simply because you don't use foul language occasionally doesn't make you have any class.

Maybe not, but it means I'm not a pig like you. Have a nice week at Cape Cod. Maybe try a nice box of wine.

How about some baseball talk for a change?

Santana should have been tossed after hitting Molina. Benches were warned after throwing behind Sandoval, and then watching Sandoval dust himself off and then hit one off the facing of the second deck, and then he hits Molina. He should have been tossed.

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Originally posted by Dom'n'Vin'sDad:
How about some baseball talk for a change?

Amen.

Santana really should have been tossed. Love Kung Fu Panda (Sandoval). I am going to be out in SF during my Napa trip in a couple weeks - looking forward to catching a game out there.

Another bad loss for the Sox. The bottom of the line-up is just awful. Granted they have had some pitching issues with Dice-K and Wake this year that has made things more difficult but the construction of this team is poor right now.

Yankees bullpen failed miserably today.

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Originally posted by MiamiWineNovice:
I am going to be out in SF during my Napa trip in a couple weeks - looking forward to catching a game out there.

I hope you are able to. The finest ballpark I have ever set foot in. And if you are able to hook up for an offline, let us know your agenda!

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Originally posted by Dom'n'Vin'sDad:
How about some baseball talk for a change?

Santana should have been tossed after hitting Molina. Benches were warned after throwing behind Sandoval, and then watching Sandoval dust himself off and then hit one off the facing of the second deck, and then he hits Molina. He should have been tossed.

Any chance of talking baseball on this thread of "2009 MLB Season"? Say it IS joe.

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Originally posted by Dom'n'Vin'sDad:
How about some baseball talk for a change?

Santana should have been tossed after hitting Molina. Benches were warned after throwing behind Sandoval, and then watching Sandoval dust himself off and then hit one off the facing of the second deck, and then he hits Molina. He should have been tossed.

Yes, as it changes the whole dynamics of the game and the bullpen for the rest of the game as well as the series. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

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Originally posted by Dom'n'Vin'sDad:
I hope you are able to. The finest ballpark I have ever set foot in. And if you are able to hook up for an offline, let us know your agenda!

It really is a great park. I love SF - if the construction industry was better out there, I would make the move in a second (I am a construction defect litigator).

My schedule is crazy busy this time out but I will be out in October for another Napa jaunt with MiamiWineNovicette. We should definitely set something up.

The Red Sox are done. Even (arguably) the most dominant 1-2 in baseball and a great bullpen can't hide their inefficiences. I think it's time to blow the team up this off-season. This team shows no heart or grit on a consistent basis.

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Originally posted by Juicy:
Yes, as it changes the whole dynamics of the game and the bullpen for the rest of the game as well as the series. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

It didn't really change the bullpen, as Manuel took him out right after he hit Molina. But yes, it does change the dynamics of pitching inside.

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Originally posted by MiamiWineNovice:
The Red Sox are done. Even (arguably) the most dominant 1-2 in baseball

They aren't even close to the Giants 1-2.


Lincecum 12 3 2.19 24 24 4 2 0 0 172.1 133 49 42 6 3 43 205
Cain 12 4 2.49 24 24 4 0 0 0 162.1 131 47 45 16 2 56 126

Beckett 14 4 3.10 23 23 3 2 0 0 157.0 132 61 54 12 4 42 145
Lester 9 7 3.71 24 24 2 0 0 0 153.0 146 66 63 15 3 49 176

And I have to assume you mean Lester and not Wakefield

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Originally posted by Dom'n'Vin'sDad:

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Originally posted by MiamiWineNovice:
The Red Sox are done. Even (arguably) the most dominant 1-2 in baseball

They aren't even close to the Giants 1-2.


Lincecum 12 3 2.19 24 24 4 2 0 0 172.1 133 49 42 6 3 43 205
Cain 12 4 2.49 24 24 4 0 0 0 162.1 131 47 45 16 2 56 126

Beckett 14 4 3.10 23 23 3 2 0 0 157.0 132 61 54 12 4 42 145
Lester 9 7 3.71 24 24 2 0 0 0 153.0 146 66 63 15 3 49 176

And I have to assume you mean Lester and not Wakefield

With all due respect, there is a serious difference between pitching in the National League West and the AL East, though. Also take into consideration that Beckett and Lester have been brilliant after a bad month of April and they are both proven playoff pitchers. I will take Beckett and Lester over Lincecum and Cain and I would suspect most people here, even the Yankee fans, would too.

That said, I love Lincecum.

I still can't believe the Rockies are in the NL wild card lead. Good pitching this year, and a VERY large dose of smoke and mirrors. Very surprising.

Moo

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Originally posted by Sacred Cow:
I still can't believe the Rockies are in the NL wild card lead. Good pitching this year, and a VERY large dose of smoke and mirrors. Very surprising.

Moo

Yup, hard to believe. I think they got lucky with the rain out and double header yesterday as I think the Marlins would have swept them otherwise. Hard to take both ends of a doubleheader

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Originally posted by MiamiWineNovice:
With all due respect, there is a serious difference between pitching in the National League West and the AL East, though. Also take into consideration that Beckett and Lester have been brilliant after a bad month of April and they are both proven playoff pitchers. I will take Beckett and Lester over Lincecum and Cain and I would suspect most people here, even the Yankee fans, would too.

That said, I love Lincecum.

I am sure that you know that Lincecum and Cain don't pitch against the NL West only, right?

Lincecum and Cain have been great all year. Look at their ERA. If the Giants had any semblance of an offense, they would each have at least 15 wins.

I would take Lincecum over any pitcher in baseball right now, yes, including Santana.

I will simply attribute your choice to that horrible affliction known as "East Coast Bias".

My poor twins are getting even worse than I could ever have thought. Have to wait for next year. Where will we find any pitching?

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Originally posted by Dom'n'Vin'sDad:
I am sure that you know that Lincecum and Cain don't pitch against the NL West only, right?

Lincecum and Cain have been great all year. Look at their ERA. If the Giants had any semblance of an offense, they would each have at least 15 wins.

I would take Lincecum over any pitcher in baseball right now, yes, including Santana.

I will simply attribute your choice to that horrible affliction known as "East Coast Bias".

I wouldn't say that it is east coast bias. I am a baseball fanatic and huge sabermetric geek and watch Lincecum and Cain pitch as much as I can. They're a great 1-2 punch, there's no doubt about that. I think that ERA is not a good way of measuring performance of pitchers - especially where the comparison is between National League and American League pitchers. I think that the addition of the DH in the AL will automatically increase an AL pitcher's ERA. Think about facing Carlos Pena/Jim Thome as opposed to Derek Lowe or Roy Oswalt. That's a huge power surge for the AL. Combine that with that the fact that AL offenses, generally speaking, tend to be way more prolific and it's difficult to compare the two.

I would still take Beckett, especially in a big game. Look at Beckett's numbers this year:

He's in the top 5 in the Al in ERA, Ks, WHIP, and BAA.

His last start was his career-high 18th straight start with at least 6 IP.

He has a 1.85 ERA in his last 14 starts -- that's from May 23.

I know, I know - Lincecum has PHENOMENAL STATS and he is going to win another CY Young but, in terms of the difference between the leagues and why it's difficult to compare, consider this. Lincecum's last 10 starts have come against the Dodgers (who are good but seriously struggling), CIN (weak offense), Philly (legit), PIT (weak offense), ATL (mediocre), PIT (weak), SD (weak), Hou (weak), STL (mediocre) and Oakland (mediocre). These are the types of lineups Lincecum is facing on a daily basis. Beckett has faced DET, NYY, BAL, OAK, TEX, KC, OAK, BAL, ATL, ATL. I think it's unquestionable that the types of lineups that American League pitchers face is, from top to bottom, tougher on pitchers. This is one reason why so many National League pitchers come to the AL and don't pan out.

Call me AL-centric but I'd take Beckett, Halladay or Felix Hernandez over Lincecum if I was a GM and had to choose a #1 starter for one season. We do know this- the Giants play the Padres about 20 times a season, so that is roughly 4-5 games of automatic 8IP, 1ER, 10K stat padding right there, to say nothing of all the pitcher at-bats, games against Natstown and Piratestown. Pitchers in the AL don't have as many cupcake games and in the AL East esp, grind out much tougher innings against tougher opponents for many more high stress pitches. It has to be worth a half to a full ERA point and 50 K's over the course of a season, at minimum.

Dont get me wrong, I love Lincecum. I don't know how many of you remember Pedro pitching when he was with Montreal and up through 2002 with the Sox, but his starts were MUST-SEE. Lincecum is certainly bordering on that level of attention right now. I, however would still take Beckett and Lester in a play-off series right now over Lincecum and Cain - especially of they were up against an AL lineup.

I used to Love Beckett

Beckett is as good as it gets this year and is (unfortunately) a huge part of the reason that the Sox are still right there. I take him and Halladay if I get to pick my one-two punch for the rest of the year.

I hope the Yankees are well rested after taking last night off.

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Originally posted by MiamiWineNovice:
Lincecum's last 10 starts have come against the Dodgers (who are good but seriously struggling), CIN (weak offense), Philly (legit), PIT (weak offense), ATL (mediocre), PIT (weak), SD (weak), Hou (weak), STL (mediocre) and Oakland (mediocre). These are the types of lineups Lincecum is facing on a daily basis. Beckett has faced DET, NYY, BAL, OAK, TEX, KC, OAK, BAL, ATL, ATL.

Based on your criteria -

DET (mediocre +), NYY (legit, but playing in a bandbox), BAL (med.), OAK (med.), TEX (med. +), KC (weak), OAK(med.), BAL (med.), ATL (med.), ATL (med.).

I won't debate that Beckett has proven it in a big game. That is the one big difference that I see.

Hey Board-O,

Brett Tomko, Brett Tomko, Brett Tomko

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Originally posted by Dom'n'Vin'sDad:

Based on your criteria -

DET (mediocre +), NYY (legit, but playing in a bandbox), BAL (med.), OAK (med.), TEX (med. +), KC (weak), OAK(med.), BAL (med.), ATL (med.), ATL (med.).

I won't debate that Beckett has proven it in a big game. That is the one big difference that I see.

I won't argue that some of those starts were against mediocre starts. All I'm saying is that Beckett facing the likes of NYY, Tex, LAA, TB, DET and the rest of the AL is, IMO, a more daunting task than the overall strength of the NL.

And playing in the Yankees in their bandbox makes it even more difficult for a pitcher.

That said, I have Lincecum's start tonight TIVO'ed.

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Originally posted by Dom'n'Vin'sDad:
Hey Board-O,

Brett Tomko, Brett Tomko, Brett Tomko

Yeah, I watched

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Originally posted by MiamiWineNovice:

And playing in the Yankees in their bandbox makes it even more difficult for a pitcher.

That said, I have Lincecum's start tonight TIVO'ed.

Don't forget the NL bandboxes - Philly, Cincinatti, Houston.

Lincecum hasn't pitched at any of those this year.

Beckett has pitched at NYY (twice), at Texas, at Baltimore (twice) and at Philly.

I wouldn't call Texas or Baltimore bandboxes.

Really? Texas isn't?

"And chances are pretty good you'll like your seats once you get to them. Every seat in the park is pointed to the outfield, and while the entire ballpark sprawls, the actual seating bowl and playing field are pretty intimate. Probably a little too intimate -- the warning track surrounding the stands actually juts into fair territory (as you can see below) as there's not much foul space, and the ballpark as a deserved reputation as a bandbox." Taken from http://www.ballparkdigest.com/....html?article_id=495

http://www.hittrackeronline.com/stadiums.php has the park factor in Arlington analogous to Philly.

Lots of ballparks have the warning track jutting into fair territory.

But, the Rangers do hit more homeruns at home than on the road, so maybe, although they play a great deal of their away games at AL West parks, that are pretty spacious....