2008 Domaine du Pegau Chateauneuf du Pape Cuvee Reserve

I have two that I picked up really cheap at a Binny's close-out, and desided to try one tonight, Popped and poured, and now drinking from a bottle that has been open about 3 hours. Nice medium ruby color. The nose at first had quite a bit of funk, stewed fruit and a little sulphur. It opened up to aromas of black licorice, dark barries and anise. Crushed berries, plum skins and a tiny bit of smoked meat are what I taste, along with minerality and a little gaminess which to me is not off-putting. Also cedar/spice box and some peppery notes at the back end. I enjoyed this earlier with a spicy, garlicky dinner and am also liking it on its own. I'm still a relative newbie with good CdP. However, I think this is a very nice, complex wine from what was supposed to be a poor vintage. My girlfriend hates it, so more for me! I'll have some left for lunch tomorrow. Big Grin
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Originally posted by billhike:
I have two that I picked up really cheap at a Binny's close-out, and desided to try one tonight, Popped and poured, and now drinking from a bottle that has been open about 3 hours. Nice medium ruby color. The nose at first had quite a bit of funk, stewed fruit and a little sulphur. It opened up to aromas of black licorice, dark barries and anise. Crushed berries, plum skins and a tiny bit of smoked meat are what I taste, along with minerality and a little gaminess which to me is not off-putting. Also cedar/spice box and some peppery notes at the back end. I enjoyed this earlier with a spicy, garlicky dinner and am also liking it on its own. I'm still a relative newbie with good CdP. However, I think this is a very nice, complex wine from what was supposed to be a poor vintage. My girlfriend hates it, so more for me! I'll have some left for lunch tomorrow. Big Grin


Thanks for the notes. Pegau definitely a favorite. Your description is right on - a classic iodine / band-aid nose that gives way to ripe fruit. Welcome to the Pegau bandwagon.
If you get a chance to try some older vintages or the Laurence bottling, you won't be sorry. Smile
Zinfanman, hopefully some others can reply as this was my first experience with Pegau. From what I have read 2008 was a very tough vintage but some producers were ablee to get results. I've seen several comments here and elsewhere that 2002 is to be completely avoided both in the Rhone and Piedmont. Again, some others with more experience would be more help than me.
Anybody ever consider the thought of Infantcide? NO decanting! Just letting it sit in the glass!

This is why most wine lovers pay no attention to TNs on CT!!!!

I guess for those that buy wines on Thursday, for consumption over the weekend, this is a good post! Let me summarize: Dear SMUCKS, 2008 Reserves are nowhere near ready for opening! You can probally add any CdPs Reservas prior since 1999 to that list!
That is awfully black and white. The joy of Chateauneuf is that they reward baby killing AND aging. I have had hundreds of bottles of Pegau both on release and with 15+ years of age. Each is worthwhile. Some vintages shut down, for the example the 2001. However it was utterly GLORIOUS for 2+ years on release. Same with the 2005.

Why should most wine lovers deny themselves that pleasure?

BTW, in contrast, Beaucastel almost never rewards babykilling, except for perhaps the 2000 and surprisingly the 2005.
Nothing like having a post critiqued by someone who doesn't know how to spell "schmuck", or apparently just now figured out that UK won the NCAA championship. Thanks for your insight. When you pay for my wine, you can tell me how to drink it. For the record, I've read from several here that many 2008's are drinking well young. I also mentioned that I have another, and since you are so concerned Sandy, I have a bunch of wines that I won't be touching for a while. Feel better now?
Dear Billhike;

This is a Wine Spectator Forum, not a KMart "Blue Light Special" Forum. I think your post is entirely appropriate for the "BLS" crowd. How many people that pay the extra money for a CdP Reserva, on this fourum, actually intend upon drinking it upon purchase? I really hope you enjoy your second bottle sometime after 2023!

As to my late UK post, Go Big Blue!! Winner
Very conveniently, this wine came up yesterday and today in a post from Dan Kravitz over on WineBerserkers. Dan is the primary importer of Pegau into the US.

http://www.wineberserkers.com/...590&p=866060#p866060

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As for 2008, it was a typo on my part to write "1998 is a frankly light vintage, but really tasty. If you insist on opening Pegau when there is Burgundy on the table, this would be a good one." I mean to write 2008. 1998 is a BIG vintage that IMO is drinking beautifully right now but will improve for at least 5 years (assuming good provenance and storage).

2008 is a delicate beauty that will probably peak at 8 - 10 years. I would not hold it past 15, but balance is important and this has it. Laurence will be here in a few weeks and as part of a tasting we'll be opening '97, not considered much of a vintage. Laurence is sending it, so I now assume it's going to be terrific (or she wouldn't bother). '08 is reasonably priced (by Chateauneuf and Pegau standards) and should be enjoyable every day of its life; it's not the kind of vintage that will shut down.
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Originally posted by Sandy Fitzgerald:
Dear Billhike;

This is a Wine Spectator Forum, not a KMart "Blue Light Special" Forum. I think your post is entirely appropriate for the "BLS" crowd. How many people that pay the extra money for a CdP Reserva, on this fourum, actually intend upon drinking it upon purchase? I really hope you enjoy your second bottle sometime after 2023!


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Originally posted by Sandy Fitzgerald:
How many people that pay the extra money for a CdP Reserva

What exactly is a CDP Reserva? Do you understand that the term Réservé or Réservée in France carries no legal bearing, whereas Reserva and Riserva and Spain and Italy just imply a certain amount of extra time in cask. More specifically with Domaine de Pegau, their "Cuvée Réservée" is actually their 'base' bottling with two more expensive wines (Cuvée Laurence and Cuvée da Capo).

To billhike, I recommend that you "grip it and rip it." If Dan Kravitz suggests that the 2008 is drinking well young them I am sure it will be glorious. Enjoy!!!
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Originally posted by Jorge Longcork:
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Originally posted by Sandy Fitzgerald:
Dear Billhike;

This is a Wine Spectator Forum, not a KMart "Blue Light Special" Forum. I think your post is entirely appropriate for the "BLS" crowd. How many people that pay the extra money for a CdP Reserva, on this fourum, actually intend upon drinking it upon purchase? I really hope you enjoy your second bottle sometime after 2023!


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I am a big Pegau fan and I collect as many vintages as I can. The only 2 vintages that I have not purchased as they were disappointing were the 2002 and the 2008. At 70$ a pop, you can get way better CDP for the price than the 2008 Pegau, unless you are buying with a vertical in mind. It lacks on the palate and I agree with Dan Kravitz that it should be drunk within the next 10 years. The nose was typical Pegau but I felt the palate just didn't follow. I buy at least a half case of each vintage of Pegau since 2001. My two cents.
billhike-This wine was fantastic-especially for the reduced price paid in this vintage. Eric's note above concerning the burgundian nature of this particular bottle is spot on. It probably is not your normal Pegau, but it is great in its own right.

PS just ignore the angry rich folk. I much prefer friendly rich folk, they are just a little hard to come by. Razz
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At 70$ a pop, you can get way better CDP for the price than the 2008 Pegau, unless you are buying with a vertical in mind.


I certainly would not pay $70 for the 2008, but I did pay $39 a pop, which I thought was a no-brainer. $29 is a terrific price billhike.
With that said, I probably will not age these for the long term considering the lesser vintage.
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Originally posted by Wine doc:
Thanks for the notes. Pegau definitely a favorite. Your description is right on - a classic iodine / band-aid nose that gives way to ripe fruit. Welcome to the Pegau bandwagon.
If you get a chance to try some older vintages or the Laurence bottling, you won't be sorry. Smile


Iodine - love it; band-aid = brett. For the most part the brett level is acceptable, but I would love it if the winery could clean up their act. I've had some awesome Pegau's but once in a while the brett level is just unacceptable.

And I can get the awesome iodine from a good Cali rhone without having to deal with the dirty wine-making.
A couple of months ago, a good friend of ours, whose palate I trust completely, tasted two '08s and said they were drinking beautifully right now. Those were the Pegau Reservee and the Beaucastel. I have one of each in the queue, and I fully expect to enjoy the hell out of them.
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Originally posted by Eric LeVine:
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Originally posted by Sandy Fitzgerald:
How many people that pay the extra money for a CdP Reserva

What exactly is a CDP Reserva? Do you understand that the term Réservé or Réservée in France carries no legal bearing, whereas Reserva and Riserva and Spain and Italy just imply a certain amount of extra time in cask. More specifically with Domaine de Pegau, their "Cuvée Réservée" is actually their 'base' bottling with two more expensive wines (Cuvée Laurence and Cuvée da Capo).


As I was reading through this thread I was wondering if/when someone was going to point this out.

At $29, the Pegau CR is a no-brainer and I certainly wouldn't have hesitated to open one now.
Well I have a case of these, so based in part on this thread and Dan Kravitz's comments I knew it was time to crack this along with some grilled rack of lamb. Booyah, this is one to dig into, pure love already even as a baby!
  • 2008 Domaine du Pégaü Châteauneuf-du-Pape Cuvée Réservée - France, Rhône, Southern Rhône, Châteauneuf-du-Pape (4/20/2012)
    This is supposed to be a weak vintage? Yum, I love 'weak' vintages of Pegau like 1994, 1999, 2004, 2006 etc. This 2008 is already strutting, in fact exploding. It is nowhere near as concentrated as vintages like 98, 00, 03, and 07, but it makes up for it with loads of white pepper, spice, garrigue and pure ZING. Like most Pegau, it is certainly heavy on the blood and iodine and shows some brett, but the wine is very energetic, spicy, complex and just downright enjoyable. I doubt this will make VERY old bones, but I suspect there is a great decade of drinking. It is already pretty darned ready to go, so dig in and enjoy! (94 pts.)

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I just came from a tasting that featured a few Pegau wines, being poured by Laurence Feraud herself- more about her later. In her words, the 2008 Cuvee Reservee is a wine to drink now and over the next ten years. She said it will not shut down, but remain open and enjoyable over that ten year span. So there you have it, straight from the horse's mouth.
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Originally posted by KSC02:
I'm a huge fan of Pegau.


Since when? Wink

True. It's all relative. While I don't personally have photos of myself wearing a crown with Pegau in one hand and a turkey leg in the other... like some on this board... I do honestly enjoy the Pegau wines.
I bow to your highness Devilish
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Originally posted by KSC02:
True. It's all relative. While I don't personally have photos of myself wearing a crown with Pegau in one hand and a turkey leg in the other... like some on this board...


Nor do you have a restraining order against you from the winemaker. LOL
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Originally posted by steve8:
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Originally posted by KSC02:
True. It's all relative. While I don't personally have photos of myself wearing a crown with Pegau in one hand and a turkey leg in the other... like some on this board...


Nor do you have a restraining order against you from the winemaker. LOL


Yes well at least that proves I am a fan! Big Grin
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Originally posted by KSC02:
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Originally posted by Mimik:
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Originally posted by KSC02:
I'm a huge fan of Pegau.


Since when? Wink

True. It's all relative. While I don't personally have photos of myself wearing a crown with Pegau in one hand and a turkey leg in the other... like some on this board... I do honestly enjoy the Pegau wines.
I bow to your highness Devilish


With the exception of the 2003, I never heard you talk about Pegau before. Just sayin'. Wink Razz

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