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I got this wine about two months ago while at the beach. I figured if I liked the CSM-Loosen Eroica bottling, I should try some of the real stuff.

I had this once before about a month ago and I didn't like it. I had it with pizza, I think, and the pairing was just awful. I guess I was too much to try it right away. I was very disappointed.

Tonight, we had it with Chinese food from Hunan Manor (of Columbia) -- best (Americanized) Chinese in Howard County, MD. This wine paired beaautifully with the somewhat spicy dishes we had.

It's very light, but, even though it is a Kabinett (which I was told is supposed to be in a drier style), had a hint of sweetness to it. Normally, I would not like this in this type of wine, but with Chinese food it was wonderful.

It had good minerals in there, maybe some pebbles. I tasted kind of light, but with enough structure to give it some good mouthfeel. I could taste some fruit, but I really could not place it at all -- must have been the Sha Cha Chicken!

All in all, I liked it. I'd rate it an 85. I think I prefer the Eroica, though. They were about the same price. But, this is my chinese food wine for now. I have one bottle left, but maybe I'll be lucky to find more....
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Friedrich Wilhelm Gymnasium is a MSR producer I know little about but what I have tasted has been exceptional. They are wines that need age however with the residual sweetness dominating a little too much for my liking. That is until they are about 12 years old, then they turn into extremely elegant balanced wines. Even the Kabinett is bloody good and great QPR as well. I think the Auslese I bought for 25$ NZD so thats about 12$ USD. If drinking this with food, Chinese (as you discovered) is perfect. Most other foods make the wine taste out of balance.
Ergon Muller is considered one of the top producers of the MSR. His wines command ridiculous prices at auction, but his wines are incredibly longlived. If you are looking for a perfect example of German balance and wine style and are willing to fork out a lot of money then try Muller, otherwise I would stick with producers like FWG, Fritz Haag and S.A.Prum all good sound producers who make great examples of German styles. Aged stock is often available, the best recent vintages are 1997, 1993 and 1990. Although some 1998 and 1999 stood up quite well also.
TJ, good to see you try some rieslings. Since I love the fact that German rieslings are underpriced wines, I enjoy it when people say that they don't like them. I can certainly understand why a lot of people don't like them. It is extremely difficult to find a decent selection anywhere and most people drink them way too early - they age extremely well - so it may seem too sweet for them. That is why I prefer to buy kabinets and spatlese's for drinking and auslese's for aging.

BTW, I just joined San Francisco Chapter of The German Wine Society ( This will give me the great opportunity to go to events with the top producers, distributors wine writers, experts and wine lovers like me. I still consider some of the 1971 German rieslings to be the finest wines I have ever had, and I'm hoping that the 2001's will come close to this great vintage.

You know I'm all about vintage and location. In fact, with Jones gone, my only skilled debator on this is gone. Nevertheless, these are my impressions FWIW:

-2000 and 1991 were the poorest vintages for German Riesling in last 12 years. By contrast, 1996 and 1999 were very good. Of course, some wines beat the odds, as usual, but even good wines are better enjoyed from great vintages than otherwise.
-2001 is supposed to be excellent but hasn't arrived yet, at least not in stores around here.
VM posted extensive notes at a Sam's tasting. You should review those.
-That said, just across the river in Alsace 2000 was a successful vintage year, after mostly average years.
-But, the best similar varietal wines, especially on QPR basis, have been recently from Austria, from 1997 through 2000, though 1998 was much better for botrytized than dry wines. In fact, 1998 botrytized Austrian wines are the best I've tried in my 10 years of paying attention to wine.

TJ, you and your lovely wife now have something to look forward to and to compare to when 2001 hits the shelves.

Dr T, Everything I have read about MSR vintages suggests that 1990,1993, and 1997 were the best vintages of the last decade. I've sourced this particularly from Andre Domine s "wine" which is published by a German company who specialise in food and wine books but have also caroborated this against two other references, The Larousse Encyclopedia of Wine and Cuisines Annual vintage world reports. Am I mistaken or were you refering to all of Germany as opposed to the MSR? According to the book 99 and 98 are average to good, while 1996 only merits an average revue. I agree that 1991 and 2000 were the poorest by a long way for the MSR. Also very good and often still available 1989,1988, 1986 and if you're lucky 1985. Of Interest in the Mosel 1991 was a pretty good vintage ( about a 7/10).

You are quite correct.How silly of me to go back 12 years, not 13. I just cut off 1990, which was better, in fact the best vintage in MSR in recent memory. Then 1996, 1999, 1997. 97 was overrated and started the price jump. Other than 1990 and 1996 vintages, others didn't rate 90 pts in my databanks. I can't speak for before 1990, when my beverage of choice was beer.
Caveat-these are my opinions, fit into a formula with secondary averaging of WS/WA data. There is no "truth" per se.

More important, the upcoming release year, 2001, should be over 90 pts as a whole, according to early tastings. This is of more relevance to TJ, me, and probably you. It's good to anticipate an excellent vintage. [Smile]

DrT [Cool]
Based on everything I read on this forum it seems that '01 will be a good vintage to stock up. Let's just hope that prices remain at the current levels. I wonder if it'd be wise for us to tone down the praise for the '01 vintage lest the gouge-hawks jack up the prices on German wines too. I hate to see this QPR haven disappear.

Well, if 2000 was an off year, then I am very much looking forward to 2001 considering it is supposed to be a really good vintage. I do agree though, that most wine shops tend to ignore this region -- at least in my area. The QPR of this place region seems like it might be pretty good. I am particularly thnkful for the fact that I have now finally found a wine to go with chinese food. Before, my beverage of choice to pair with this was really none at all (ok, ginger ale).
Dr T, I've read only a small bit about 2001, and I agree it seems very promising. 97 seemed quite reasonable in price, but that may have just been here in NZ, as we don't place tariffs on imported wine, (which means I still can't work out why there is stuff all US wine here.). And which beers were you drinking? I thoroughly enjoy a good pilsner now and then. As always [Big Grin] you are completely correct about there being no correct truth, but I was wondering if you had found otherwise with concerns to vintage info, as I respect your knowledge of such things. As you said with Jones gone it seems few out there actually debate vintage. [Wink]

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