In the other thread I mentioned I thought the high end it'd sell for on WC was $300 (ok maybe that is a bit high)...thought it'd be fun to watch and see.

I am putting my official bet at $223.27.

The link below is for a dutch auction for 12 bottles ending on the 26th...anyone else want to venture a guess at what it will end up at? I would think a single bottle auction might go higher but this was the first one out there- I am sure many more will follow:

http://www.winecommune.com/lot.cfm/wine/2005-Clos-des-P...o/lotID/2103462.html

THIS IS NOT MY LOT AND I HAVE NO AFFILIATION WITH THE SELLER OR WC
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Today it's selling as high as $170 if you can find it. Since it just made Wine of the Year 20007 I see it going to at least $300. I bought 3 bottles at $69.99 each! I wouldn't sell any though unless the profit were somewhere in the $500 to $1000 range and I don't see that happening.
Been looking around to see how high the price is going. A lot of places have gone up to around $150-$160
For those of you in a mad rush to pick some up, premiercru.net has it on pre-arrival for $119. At least they're not cashing in as much as the others.
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Originally posted by snipes:
I bought a six pack through Premier Cru about a month and a half ago for $65 or so. It's still on backorder. I'm sure I'll get it at some point, but part of me is a bit nervous.


It will come - It appears you could more there now (at almost double the price). Although a lot higher, it still makes more sense than bidding on Wine Commune!
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Originally posted by snipes:
I bought a six pack through Premier Cru about a month and a half ago for $65 or so. It's still on backorder. I'm sure I'll get it at some point, but part of me is a bit nervous.


I bought mine in June and it just came in. Someone else here bought in january and got theirs a few weeks earlier.
Just FYI on the pre-arrival stuff in case you're wondering what takes so long. The importers wait until they've built up a pretty large quantity of wine to ship over in refrigerated containers in order to keep shipping costs to a minimum. As long as you order from a reputable retailer, you shouldn't have anything to worry about.

As a side note: I orderd pre-arrivals of Clos des Papes online, and then called in to confirm the order. They originally said I could expect to receive the wine around March/April '08. While on the phone chatting with the sales person, he said someone "just came in with 10 cases of the stuff" that wasn't sold yet. He changed my order to a purchase of in-stock bottles and said they would ship out on Nov. 26 Smile

I guess sometimes it helps to use the old-fashioned way.
I bought one tonight @ $85.00. A local retailer has had them for about a month now and the price did not change at least for today. This will be the only one I buy. By the way, it's my 50th birthday gift (Christmas) the only way I could justify buying it. My wife and I enjoy CdP so it will be a special day when we open this bottle.
I want to get a couple of bottles ... especially since it has a rating of 98 points. One BIG problem though ..... I don't buy wine online or across borders. I only buy bottles of wine from provincial liquor stores and specialty wine stores. Should I expand my horizons?
I just have this thing about shipping (who knows where or how they store the wine whilst in transit .... ie do they keep the wine in some hot storage room, etc...)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by SharpShooter:
For those of you in a mad rush to pick some up, premiercru.net has it on pre-arrival for $119. QUOTE]

If you're truly in 'a mad rush', P-C 'pre-arrival' is not the direction you'll want to take. I've purchased from them often, and have only good things to say about them. However, their prices are usually quite good but the product can often be slow in coming. Patience IS a virtue Wink
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Originally posted by Board-O:
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Originally posted by latour67:
I really don't care how much the price increases; I'm not buying any of it!


He speaketh for me also.


and me too!

I haven't bought the eventual WOTY yet...and won't be buying after. If it didn't fit into my purchase plan prior to this week, it certainly won't factor into the future.

Anyway..the Top 10 is a farce - 2 Italians and nothing from Oregon...complete farce
Seems like a fair amount of resistance is encountered at about $170-180. And, honestly, the action seems fairly limited... there are several priced lower right now that haven't bid up beyond $150.

Personally, I can think of quite a few other CdPs that I could buy for that price... multiple bottles in fact...
I purchased 7 total but before the countdown began from Zachy's and another vendor at around $80 a bottle. I thought the review was very exciting and I'm working hard to build a Cellar for aging.

I see that many of the vendors that had them right before the annoucment have pulled them from the shelves. Either sold or just waiting for the market to climb enough to really rip people off. If I didn't already have a pre-order, I wouldn't buy them now.

Although a Mag does sound appealing, it's simply too late to pay what this wine is worth. Of course we may all be regretting such statements 15 - 20 years down the road when they may potentially be impossible to aquire and coming into their glory.
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Originally posted by steve8:
The Clos des Papes is being released up here in 10 days at $69.


Sorry to temporarily derail the thread, but I was wondering how the LCBO worked (or doesn't work). I assume this entity sells all the wine in the country. If this is the case, does everyone stand in line and wait for the wines when they or available or, is it a situation where the wine is allocated/parceled out based on some type of wish list? Sorry to be so naive, but I have seen a lot of complaints about the process and was curious to know more. Also, is it limited to certain provinces or is for the whole country?

Again, sorry to take things off course, but I didn't think it was worth starting a new thread.
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Originally posted by Keeno:

Sorry to temporarily derail the thread, but I was wondering how the LCBO worked (or doesn't work). I assume this entity sells all the wine in the country. If this is the case, does everyone stand in line and wait for the wines when they or available or, is it a situation where the wine is allocated/parceled out based on some type of wish list? Sorry to be so naive, but I have seen a lot of complaints about the process and was curious to know more. Also, is it limited to certain provinces or is for the whole country?

Again, sorry to take things off course, but I didn't think it was worth starting a new thread.


LCBO stands for Liquor Control Board of Ontario. It controls all liquor sales in the province. Other provinces have similar boards with similar and different rules. Other provinces permit private sales.
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Originally posted by Pipeau:
This wine is not worth $70, so why would one chase it?

Have you personally tried it? I haven't seen your tasting note....personally i gave it a conservative 96 pts. The 05 is terrific, as well as the past 5 vintages excluding 02. Even before the award this wine was a hell of a qpr @ $70!
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Originally posted by Keeno:
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Originally posted by steve8:
The Clos des Papes is being released up here in 10 days at $69.


Sorry to temporarily derail the thread, but I was wondering how the LCBO worked (or doesn't work).


In this case, Steve8 is from Montreal and it's the SAQ (Société des alcools du Québec) that'll be releasing the Clos de Papes at $69. The folks in Ontario probably won't see the '05 vintage (the '04 was just released a few months ago) at the LCBO for another 8 months or so - by which time LCBO will likely sell for a higher price.
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Originally posted by steve8:
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Originally posted by Chilepepper:

Anyway..the Top 10 is a farce - 2 Italians and nothing from Oregon...complete farce


You've tasted all of them already? Nice.

The Clos des Papes is being released up here in 10 days at $69.


Steve 8 - does it work similar to LCBO releases - people waiitng at the doors on release day? Are you able to search the SAQ web site to see what stores will be carrying?
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Originally posted by theweb:

Steve 8 - does it work similar to LCBO releases - people waiitng at the doors on release day? Are you able to search the SAQ web site to see what stores will be carrying?


The timing of the WS WOTY pretty much assures there will be people waiting at the doors for the Clos des Papes. In theory we can see the inventory of a wine at each store, but this wine might go from truck to customer so fast, it won't have time to get entered. Big Grin Probably will only be able to see the inventory on the morning of release day.

Pipeau, I disagree. This is a terrific wine in my opinion and, relatively speaking, well worth the money. Unfortunately the price has been climbing quite rapidly over the past few years and the WS #1 is almost certainly going to give it another bump up for future vintages.
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Originally posted by steve8:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by theweb:

Steve 8 - does it work similar to LCBO releases - people waiitng at the doors on release day? Are you able to search the SAQ web site to see what stores will be carrying?


The timing of the WS WOTY pretty much assures there will be people waiting at the doors for the Clos des Papes. In theory we can see the inventory of a wine at each store, but this wine might go from truck to customer so fast, it won't have time to get entered. Big Grin Probably will only be able to see the inventory on the morning of release day.

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Is there a way to know in advance what stores will carry it? I have a family member in Ottawa - is there a SAQ in Hull that would have the Clos Des Papes? And what date is it being released? Thanks Steve8.
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Originally posted by theweb:
I have a family member in Ottawa - is there a SAQ in Hull that would have the Clos Des Papes? And what date is it being released? Thanks Steve8.


Hopefully Luc Sabourin will see this because he knows the area stores better than I do, but I would expect the store near the casino in Hull and at least one of the Gatineau stores to get some. It is supposed to be released on Tuesday the 27th. Happy hunting. Big Grin
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If you're truly in 'a mad rush', P-C 'pre-arrival' is not the direction you'll want to take. I've purchased from them often, and have only good things to say about them. However, their prices are usually quite good but the product can often be slow in coming. Patience IS a virtue Wink


By "mad rush", I meant wanting to purchase before the price rises even further. I think most people know that this is a wine for the cellar - not immediate comsumption.
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Originally posted by steve8:
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Originally posted by theweb:
I have a family member in Ottawa - is there a SAQ in Hull that would have the Clos Des Papes? And what date is it being released? Thanks Steve8.


Hopefully Luc Sabourin will see this because he knows the area stores better than I do, but I would expect the store near the casino in Hull and at least one of the Gatineau stores to get some. It is supposed to be released on Tuesday the 27th. Happy hunting. Big Grin


thanks Steve8!
Although everyone is bashing the price the wine is currently fetching, I think the price is actually on the low side for a Wine of the Year. The current retail price for last year's winner (Casanova di Neri BDM) is about $225-250, and the wine was released at $70.00. The 2002 Phelps Insignia is going from anywhere between $200-$300 at retailers. The winner from the year before (Rieussac 2001) is going for about $175 (release price $80). Before that, Paloma merlot (release price $45) is going for about $160-200.

So it seems the WOTY award generates a price tag of about $200, more or less. The more expensive wines (Insignia) have a smaller percentage upcharge than the less expensive wines (Paloma).

I expect The Clos des Papes to settle in to the $200 range soon, and stop there. No one says you have to buy it.
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Originally posted by theweb:
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Originally posted by steve8:

The timing of the WS WOTY pretty much assures there will be people waiting at the doors for the Clos des Papes. In theory we can see the inventory of a wine at each store, but this wine might go from truck to customer so fast, it won't have time to get entered. Big Grin Probably will only be able to see the inventory on the morning of release day.



Is there a way to know in advance what stores will carry it? I have a family member in Ottawa - is there a SAQ in Hull that would have the Clos Des Papes? And what date is it being released? Thanks Steve8.


The ONLY person who will not stand in line to receive this wine in the week of the 27th of November in Quebec is a mythical wine buyer called King of the Rhone, also known as King of Pegau whose identity and whereabouts are as mysterious as where he gets his wines.

He has a loyal and devoted group of followers but those who do not succumb in devotion to him are often those caught standing in line in freezing subzero temperatures for these wines.

That's all I know about him.

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