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g-man posted:
thistlintom posted:
mimik posted:
arsenal4ever posted:

I'm just tired of politicians and celebrities shooting their mouth off and then apologizing in a "sincere manner." Anti-Semitism and racism go hand-in-hand. Apologizing does nothing. 

So once you’ve said something racist, in your mind they are racist for ever ?

An interesting question, in a sense like can a person evolve or are they static in their beliefs?  Social surroundings in early life certainly have an impact on one's cultural beliefs, which can be positive or negative.  I believe that one can grow and change one's views based upon continuing education and experience.  That someone once held racist views, does not necessarily mean that they will always have racist views or be a racist.

I also believe that we as a society, having been influenced by identity politics, tend to oversimplify events and see things in black and white, when there are shades of gray.  Too many issues or events are viewed from a prism of being racist or xenophobic without sufficient evidence.  It is much easier to claim racism than to try to understand the issue more and to discuss an issue with someone who has a different point of view. 

contrary to popular belief, humans as a whole are born with implied bias.  It's what keeps you from walking into a lions den thinking they won't eat you.  Society then will subtly (forcibly) reinforce those implied biases throughout life.  Right or wrong, it's simply human nature to group, sort, organize, categorize things in a particular way and our standard schooling reinforces that.

I, do feel that a certain pro israel contingent is being entirely disingenuous in calling everybody else in the world "anti semitic" / racist exactly to your last point thislintom.  There is an irony in a group of people calling everyone else "anti semites" because it already implies that they feel their own race is superior and that everyone else is just hating on them. 

People may not change being racist, but experience, knowledge and communication can/should lead to better empathy. 

On another level, this forced Political correctness is certainly going overboard.  Forcing people without teaching someone why they should is just a recipe for disaster. 

I wouldn't say people are born with biases, but they are born with instincts that are products of evolution.  For example, a person may react to a perceived threat in a way that is an instinct towards preservation.  In a book by Jonathon Haidt called the Righteous Mind, he talks about morality and how people react to events and make judgements about the events.  An event might make a person make a decision about the morality involved in the event.  That person will look at things that will likely support his initial view on the issue, rather than look at all the facts and then adjust his decision.  This implied bias can result in people seeing something and coming up with different opinions of an event, such as the Covington kids confrontation.  What becomes important is that there is interaction between those with different views to discuss and come up with a more appropriate determinations of what happened.  Unfortunately, we as a society have become more tribal and there is not as much give and take between the different tribes, so there is not as much determination of the "truth" in society.  Haidt is concerned with academia in that the universities have become increasingly more liberal and do not have enough conservatives to provide a counter perspective to biases by liberals. (Haidt is actually leans left and is a classic liberal, so this is not a conservative venting).

Certain groups can have strong biases, especially if they are not open to hearing other viewpoints and adjusting their opinions.  They may not even understand the strength of their biases because they only hear an echo chamber with discussions within their own "tribe".  I think this is one reason why you can have anti-semitic or racial biases in a group.