bman posted:g-man posted:flwino posted:arsenal4ever posted:
Socialism seems to be attracting quite a following. How many here believe in Warren's, Sanders', and Ocasio-Cortez' versions?
Need to define. Medicare and social security are socialistic in form. Also so other programs. Yes the rich should pay more. The tax cut gave too much to the top 1% and middle class zilch.
My earnings about even for last two years. TY 2017 got back $300 TY 2018 $0.00
tax cut gave to the .1% of wealth holders. Folks conflate income and wealth.
And btw, socialism has been so bastardized that even i have no idea what socialism acutally means. Apparently you can be a democratic capitalistic socialist due to the dumbing down of meanings in english words.
This definition seems as good as any: "Socialism is an economic system where the ways of making a living (factories, offices, etc.) are owned by a society as a whole, meaning the value made belongs to everyone in that society, instead of a group of private owners. "
And as long as we are talking about the misuse of words so they become political weapons, how about the words "liberal" and "conservative", neither one of which seems to me to be used anywhere near correctly in American political discourse.
I like this definition of liberalism, given that the root of the word is "liberty": "Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty."
And this definition of conservatism: "Conservatism is a political philosophy which believes that if changes need to be made to society, they should be made gradually."
Note the actual meaning of liberalism is pretty much the opposite meaning that is applied in the US, while conservatism is not the opposite but is certainly a very different meaning than that used in the US.
Good post Bman..and correct what a different meaning that Liberalism has in American society than what is written above. AOC is absolutely out of her mind...and ditto the others (Warren (sorry Pocahontas), Sanders and any others who sign on board to the Green Dream. Forgot the name of the man I heard on TV last night...but he basically said, that you have to have a childlike mind to spout off / believe the crap AOC spews out. Complete insanity.