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napacat posted:
winetarelli posted:
napacat posted:
wineart 2 posted:

Winetarilli... #truth... yet the Trumpoids cult have zero interest in the truth... see Napa.

More BS from you.  Go ahead and paint everyone who disagrees with you a racist.  Instead of answering the question I posed to regarding a solution.  

But carry on...

Napa,

I’m genuinely confused and won’t go ad hominem. Facts aren’t BS. Both legal and illegal immigrants are far less likely to commit murder than are natural born citizens. That’s true. So why is it relevant that in history it has happened?  We have a rapidly aging population and “replacing” the older generations with immigrants instead of natural born Americans would actually make the country much safer, not less safe. So I ask again, why parade out a few families whose lives have been upended when we know that based upon our current immigration laws, immigrants are more likely to be nonviolent than natural born Americans?  What possible reason is there?  If you can think of a reason that is not fear-mongering / stupidity / xenophobia / “squirrel!” / scapegoating / intentionally adding to and exacerbating racism I would love to read it. 

Immigration is a complicated issue.  And especially for dreamers (and immediate family members who have been here for decades) we must find a way to protect those who are nonviolent functionally American. There is a lot more to be said. And considered. (I’m slowly coming around on very strict regulation with government monopoly — but legaliation — of heroine/cocaine/etc.)  It would take months to write about the nuances and complexities of the matter. And compromises will have to be reached.  And I hope one day we can have a clear eyed comprehensive immigration reform...

But here’s the ugliness: immigration is already not really a problem. Under Obama, for natural born citizens, it was already not a problem. For our national security, it was already not a problem. For our standing in the world, our standard of life, it was already not a problem. When Trump took office the only people in this country with a legitimate primary gripe about our immigration policy were the immigrants.  Obama era immigration laws and enforcement were less of a threat than the diminishing bee population. So why are we even talking about this?  Racism. Xenophobia. Scapegoating. “Squirrel!”  

 

Oh, and also, the dude ripped children out of their parents arms and put them in motherfucking cages!

How do you extrapolate that this is about immigration.  It is about illegal immigration.  No problem with immigration... I’m a second generation child of immigrant grandparents.  

It it is a complicated issue for sure.  Catch and release is a ridiculous policy.  Trump,  I imagine is trying to get control of the situation unlike Obama who kind of ignored it ( but also had kids in cages during his term in office)...granted not the same numbers.

i think it is very fair to ask what others have for a solution rather just screaming racist!  What happened to Sarah Sanders the other night was just wrong.

Napa,

You didn’t answer my question. Under Obama era immigration laws and enforcement “illegal immigrants” are far less likely to commit violence than natural born citizens. So why did Trump parade the families of a few victims?  

What is the specific threat posed by Obama era regulations that was so great you were fine taking 8 month old babies out of their mothers’ arms, putting them in cages thousands of miles away, and not telling the parents where their children are?  Please provide evidence of whatever threat you reference. 

Sarah Sanders supports policies of crulty, she is a professional liar for an abominable human. And I agree, we shouldn’t be kicking people out of restaurants based upon their political affiliations or professions. I understand the emotional response. But she should not have been kicked out. And why on Earth did you bring this up?  And do you think Sarah’s inconvenience is in line with the 2500 children’s?  Or their parents?  Are these equivalent things to you?

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