What I've tasted of the 13's would support the idea of a dumb phase. The reveal for me is that these wines are not like Cayuse (for better or for worse). When you look at the location of the vineyards and the relationship between Matt Reynvaan and Christophe Baron, you'd think that they would be be similar, but no. Cayuse is definitely much bigger and tannic and hard as nails when young. I guess I'll leave my 13's alone for a while and hope.