We did use a guide and her history of the place made it extra special. We also went up into one of the towers and walked back down. Construction will be completed in 2026. With the center tower being done by 2022. When finished the main center tower will be the tallest in the world for a church at 560 feet.
Cal Pep was excellent. Thanks for the recommendation. The no menu thing is different but it works. The freshness of the food and the speed that they work at is pure fun.