I think I only have one or two watches that were bought new. In almost all of the other cases I bought an absolute mint condition watch for significantly less than new.
VC and JLC are in the same tier as AP and above IWC imho. Both w+a and I have Reversos, mine a duotime and I think w+a has a squadra. CSM has an ultrathin. They are superb, generational watches. In the same price point as the IWC you were looking at, look at a master compressor, same type of technical,tool watch feel and a great watch.
As always, Rob is spot on. JLC is a top shelf watch manufacturer. There is a reason they are known as “ The watchmakers watch.”