I think pyang and I did make it in the end? We offlined at Bodega with futronic and Dok and some others at some point. I think the first, or one of the first Toronto WS Forums offline was at an Italian restaurant with Dok, futronic, Baird and Slan, as I recall. Well before BYOW was legal - someone knew the chef and we snuck in the bottles. And wives attended too!