Dr T, I've read only a small bit about 2001, and I agree it seems very promising. 97 seemed quite reasonable in price, but that may have just been here in NZ, as we don't place tariffs on imported wine, (which means I still can't work out why there is stuff all US wine here.). And which beers were you drinking? I thoroughly enjoy a good pilsner now and then. As always you are completely correct about there being no correct truth, but I was wondering if you had found otherwise with concerns to vintage info, as I respect your knowledge of such things. As you said with Jones gone it seems few out there actually debate vintage.