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Originally posted by Jfont:

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Originally posted by steve8:
As a lifelong Bruins fan, I'm ignoring this post.

you should tune out the bruins after trading thornton...o'connell is an idiot.

Actually I tuned out after the strike season. Bunch of idiots on both sides. But, yes, the Thornton trade was just icing on the cake. Especially since the Bruins have now traded away two of the players they got for Joe.

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Originally posted by french16:
Funny cause exactly the opposite happened to me! I went with my wife to spend the we Montreal about 3 weeks ago and we went to see the game against Ottawa. Man it was crazy!! I felt like being at a soccer game back home.
Compared to the games here who half the people are not in their seats cause they're drinking beers at the concession it was a nice and refreshing experience.

You have to remember I'm not talking about the United Center Blackhawks of the last 10+ years. You could go to most games now and fire off a machine gun in the upper level without hitting anybody. I'm talking about the Madhouse On Madison, when the attendance figures were usually deflated in order to keep the fire marshall happy. When there was actually a decent product on the ice.

I just depressed myself thinking about the "good old days".

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Originally posted by steve8:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by steve8:
But, yes, the Thornton trade was just icing on the cake. Especially since the Bruins have now traded away two of the players they got for Joe.

Rough quote from Ron Wilson.

"That's just bad management and bad coaching. You have the best passer in the game, and you make him go stand in front of the net because he's big. That means you've misused your best talent because of your own prejudices."

Wish I can dig that up exactly but it was actually the harshest thing I've ever heard one coach say about another organization that wasn't related to a game incident. He bascially called the Bruins management idiots for the way they handled Thornton.

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Originally posted by thelostverse:

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Originally posted by french16:
Funny cause exactly the opposite happened to me! I went with my wife to spend the we Montreal about 3 weeks ago and we went to see the game against Ottawa. Man it was crazy!! I felt like being at a soccer game back home.
Compared to the games here who half the people are not in their seats cause they're drinking beers at the concession it was a nice and refreshing experience.

You have to remember I'm not talking about the United Center Blackhawks of the last 10+ years. You could go to most games now and fire off a machine gun in the upper level without hitting anybody. I'm talking about the Madhouse On Madison, when the attendance figures were usually deflated in order to keep the fire marshall happy. When there was actually a decent product on the ice.

I just depressed myself thinking about the "good old days".

You're lucky to have known this, I would have loved to go to the old rink. The atmosphere must have been incredible as you described.

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Originally posted by Stefania Wine:

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Originally posted by steve8:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by steve8:
But, yes, the Thornton trade was just icing on the cake. Especially since the Bruins have now traded away two of the players they got for Joe.

Rough quote from Ron Wilson.

"That's just bad management and bad coaching. You have the best passer in the game, and you make him go stand in front of the net because he's big. That means you've misused your best talent because of your own prejudices."

Wish I can dig that up exactly but it was actually the harshest thing I've ever heard one coach say about another organization that wasn't related to a game incident. He bascially called the Bruins management idiots for the way they handled Thornton.

I think nobody can blame Wilson for saying this. Trading Joe was the biggest mistake the Bruins made. So stupid...espcially when you consider what they got in return...Sharks made the trade of the history of the NHL!

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Originally posted by steve8:

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Originally posted by Jfont:

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Originally posted by steve8:
As a lifelong Bruins fan, I'm ignoring this post.

you should tune out the bruins after trading thornton...o'connell is an idiot.

Actually I tuned out after the strike season. Bunch of idiots on both sides. But, yes, the Thornton trade was just icing on the cake. Especially since the Bruins have now traded away two of the players they got for Joe.

they've only traded brad stuart...sturm is still there and just signed a 3 year deal.

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Originally posted by french16:


I think nobody can blame Wilson for saying this. Trading Joe was the biggest mistake the Bruins made. So stupid...espcially when you consider what they got in return...Sharks made the trade of the history of the NHL!

not really the trade of the history...it might be in the top 10 depending on what happens from now on.

i can tell you that the kings have traded away alot of good players for nobody...kings traded a pick in the first round to the bruins a long time ago and you guys picked up ray bourke.

I think the thornton trade was great, but jfonts right, we'll have to see what happens next. They could be a very dangerous team in the next couple of years, they're the youngest, biggest, and one of the fastest teams on ice. If they can get their goalies to actually win a couple of games for them, they could go deep in the playoffs this year.

Bad Trades...
(from a website)

June 6, 1986: The Vancouver Canucks traded Cam Neely and a first-round pick to Boston for Barry Pederson.

Upshot: Pederson was out of hockey three years later, and Neely went on to have a near-Hall of Fame worthy career for the Bruins. Moreover, the Bruins parlayed the draft pick they received from the Canucks into Glen Wesley, who they eventually traded to Hartford for three draft picks; they used those picks to select Johnathan Aitken, Kyle McLaren and Sergei Samsonov.

June 15, 1989: The Red Wings traded Adam Oates and Paul MacLean to the Blues for Bernie Federko and Tony McKegney.

Upshot: Oates had three 100-point seasons for the Blues before moving on to Boston, while McKegney didn't last a year in Detroit, and Federko retired after his one undistinguished season as a Red Wing. This disaster caused the Red Wings to miss the playoffs that season.

May 15, 1967: The Bruins traded Pit Martin, Gilles Marotte and Jack Norris to the Blackhawks for Phil Esposito, Fred Stanfield and Ken Hodge.

Upshot: While Martin went on to have a very good career for Chicago, the three guys the Bruins received were instrumental in those powerhouse Bruins years during the 1970s.

June 1984: The Winnipeg Jets traded their third-round pick in that year's draft to Montreal for journeyman defenseman Robert Picard.

Upshot: The Canadiens used the pick to draft Patrick Roy. Enough said.

November 1978: The WHA's Indianapolis Racers traded Wayne Gretzky, Ed Mio and Peter Driscoll to Edmonton for cash and future considerations. (While this wasn't an NHL trade per se, it affected the balance of the league for many years.)

Upshot: Do I even need to interpret this trade for you?

June 23, 1975: The Red Wings traded the rights to Marcel Dionne and defenseman Bart Crashley to Los Angeles for Terry Harper and Dan Maloney.

Upshot: Harper was a terrible defenseman with no peripheral skills, and Maloney was a second-line forward. Dionne was one of the greatest players to ever lace up the skates.

Oct. 16, 1989: The Devils traded Tom Kurvers for a bad Leafs team's first-round draft pick, which they parlayed into Scott Niedermayer.

Upshot: Niedermayer is still a solid NHL defenseman for the Devils, while soon after this trade, Kurvers began a nomadic tour of NHL teams, none of whom was very impressed with his limited set of skills.

June 20, 1992: The Quebec Nordiques traded Eric Lindros to Philadelphia for Ron Hextall, Mike Ricci, Peter Forsberg, Steve Duchesne, Kerry Huffman and a first-round draft pick (which the Nords used to select Jocelyn Thibault), AND future considerations AND cash. The future considerations turned out to be Chris Simon and a first-round draft pick.

Upshot: This trade was totally lopsided on so many levels, it's hard to examine it properly. While Lindros is playing this season and Forsberg is sitting it out, the fact remains that the Avs won two cups with Forsberg as a major cog on the team, and the Flyers haven't won anything worth bragging about. Moreover, Ricci played a huge role in the Avs' 1996 championship season. But most importantly, the Avs traded Thibault (along with Martin Rucinsky and Andrei Kovalenko) to Montreal for Patrick Roy and Mike Keane. This may be the most one-sided trade in NHL history.

Those are some pretty legendary trades, Tyee.

My favourite big trade was when Brad Park, Jean Ratelle and Joe Zanussi were traded to the Boston Bruins in the mid-70s with Phil Esposito and Carol Vadnais going to the Rangers. Man, was that a surprise trade! Boston finished first in their division for the next 4 or 5 years and got a couple trips to the finals, but the Rangers didn't profit nearly as much from that deal. Park was able to take over Orr's role pretty well, though both of them were in the twilight of their careers then, I guess. I always thought it was pretty spectacular to have both of them on the same team at the same time, even if Orr didn't play much.

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Originally posted by Seaquam:
Those are some pretty legendary trades, Tyee.

My favourite big trade was when Brad Park, Jean Ratelle and Joe Zanussi were traded to the Boston Bruins in the mid-70s with Phil Esposito and Carol Vadnais going to the Rangers. Man, was that a surprise trade! Boston finished first in their division for the next 4 or 5 years and got a couple trips to the finals, but the Rangers didn't profit nearly as much from that deal. Park was able to take over Orr's role pretty well, though both of them were in the twilight of their careers then, I guess. I always thought it was pretty spectacular to have both of them on the same team at the same time, even if Orr didn't play much.

Following the trade, the Bruins made it to the Stanley Cup finals two straight years. They were then followed by the Rangers. Too bad they each met the Habs and lost!

Go Habs Go!

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Originally posted by thelostverse:

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Originally posted by steve8:

It's no big deal being a Bruins fan here. When I followed the sport more, I used to go to games at the Forum wearing my "Real Men Wear Black" T-shirt and cheered vocally for the Bruins. Never had any problems. Habs fans are a bunch of panty-waists.

I went to a game in Montreal back in '79 or '80 with my brother. I was amazed at the lack of enthusiasm in the crowd. I was used to seeing Blackhawk games at the old Chicago Stadium, where the place would be literally rocking from start to finish. In Montreal, even after the Habs scored a goal, I felt like I was at a golf course watching a tournament or at the library. It was like they were sitting on their hands. It was cool to see a game at the Forum, but it was strange.

A goal or two wasn't much to get excited about in 1980. After all, the team had won the cup 6 times in the 70s. Fans were getting a litte jaded.

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Originally posted by Duojet:
Not any tougher than being a Bruins fan in Montreal or Red Wings in Chicago... it's too bad those rivalries aren't as heated as they once were.

It's no big deal being a Bruins fan here. When I followed the sport more, I used to go to games at the Forum wearing my "Real Men Wear Black" T-shirt and cheered vocally for the Bruins. Never had any problems. Habs fans are a bunch of panty-waists.

Count the banners up in the rafters the next time you're at the Bell Centre, Steve8... Oops I forgot. Bruins fans have a hard time once they run out of fingers and toes

Any Toronto fans remember this trade?;

"After just nine games in 1989-89, the Maple Leafs dealt Courtnall to the Montreal Canadiens for John Kordic, who by all accounts was nothing more than a team goon. Although Courtnall's stock had clearly gone down tremendously, most observers felt Montreal got a steal in that trade."

Duojet, I don't go to the Hell Center. Went once, can't stand it. Prices are outrageous to see a team I hate play. At the Forum you used to see lots of people with their kids, now it's all suits. Sad commentary on the game I think.

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Originally posted by steve8:
Duojet, I don't go to the Hell Center. Went once, can't stand it. Prices are outrageous to see a team I hate play. At the Forum you used to see lots of people with their kids, now it's all suits. Sad commentary on the game I think.

It's the same at the Hanger (the Air Canada Centre). I do find it better in the "nose-bleed" sections, though. The fans there go for the game -- not just to be seen.

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Originally posted by Robert Taylor:
As a lifelong Flyers fan, I will now quietly bow out of this conversation...

Ditto

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Originally posted by *lizardking*:
Sharks, and I hope the trades they made help them out of this slump!! Guerin & Rivet.

I'm a Leaf fan...they've been in a slump since 1968.

Definitely addicted to hockey. Centre Ice Package - every NHL game on digital cable (except the Hawks home games of course - insert standard Bill Wirtz is an idiot comment here). Currently playing in three leagues (although recently suspended from one).

Lifelong Buffalo Sabres fan. Ruff and ready to bring home the Cup this year, baby!

Cheers,

Otis

Check out the tag line....

Two things a Bruins fan wants out of a hockey season:

1. Bruins win the Cup

2. Habs don't

My favourite Bruins trade was with the Leafs: they got Swoop Carleton for Jim Harrison

KB - it might be fun to see an NHL game in which all the players wore pleated skirts. Or perhaps better, teenaged girls in pleated skirts on skates (sorry, I'm all drugged-up on muscle relaxants after a fall on the ice and so, not myself....)

bman - I really don't see the need for the body-armour, unless it is for the fighting. In which case, in the words of Dave Tong - wusses. If you're going to have a punch-up then body-armour and helmets stop you getting hurt, they don't even use their sticks.

Get rid of the protection and either the fighting will stop or the fights will be a lot more interesting. Either way the game will improve.

And stop thinking of NHL lunks in skirts, you'll go blind.

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Originally posted by bman:
Two things a Bruins fan wants out of a hockey season:

1. Bruins win the Cup

2. Habs don't

At least we'll have number 2 this year. It would be better if the Bruins made the playoffs and the Habs didn't.