http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/stopthepresses/1826/mu...most-fateful-flights

The analogy of this accident to prior accidents is laughable!!

But then the article even mixes bad musicians with classics.

Aaliyah? Wasn't she known for her looks more than her music??

I didn't see much incompetent with the article, other than a crappy lede.

If the article had talked only about the Blink 182 gents, without noting the other past plane crash victims, that would have been incompetent. Doesn't sound like you like Blink 182 (I'm not a fan either), but many young folks care a lot more about them than La Bamba, or the Big Bopper, if they even know who they are.

And, Aaliyah isn't just a pretty face IMHO, she definitely deserves the brief mention in the article. She was nominated for a Grammy, had a fantastic voice, and her excellent self-titled Aaliyah album went gold in four weeks, before she died.

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Originally posted by indybob:
I didn't see much incompetent with the article, other than a crappy lede.

If the article had talked only about the Blink 182 gents, without noting the other past plane crash victims, that would have been incompetent. Doesn't sound like you like Blink 182 (I'm not a fan either), but many young folks care a lot more about them than La Bamba, or the Big Bopper, if they even know who they are.

And, Aaliyah isn't just a pretty face IMHO, she definitely deserves the brief mention in the article. She was nominated for a Grammy, had a fantastic voice, and her excellent self-titled Aaliyah album went gold in four weeks, before she died.

Relating a former "drummer" of Blink 182, and I stress "former" with Buddy Holly, Patsy Cline, Otis Redding, Randy Rhoades, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Glenn Miller and heck..even John Denver is laughable. The fact they include some DJ in the article made me spit out my Sauternes I was enjoying at the time.

Oh..and Grammy noms these days only go to piss poor artists, so the fact that Aaliyah got one means nothing. Not a single grammy winner in mainstream cats in the last 15 years worth a damn.

Did you notice the names mentioned in the article compared to Barker and DJ AM/PM or whatever are legends? Very few drummers are legends..and in fact..GnR did quite well after kicking their original drummer out of the band...hell..KISS did pretty well without Criss too. Why? They aren't the glue that keeps the band, nor the sound together. They are replaceable, with very few exceptions..and Travis Barker was no exception. Comparing him to the previous company mentioned is wasted space.

Bah humbug!!!

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Originally posted by indybob:
Bah humbug!!!

It's not Christmas/Chanukkah yet!!

I agree with chilepepper on this. Mediocrity is admired and praised far too much in our culture. We throw the words "genius" or "brilliant" around far too much, for things that are neither. Popular culture is a prime breeding ground for the heaping of praise on things that deserve none.

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Originally posted by cdr:
I agree with chilepepper on this. Mediocrity is admired and praised far too much in our culture. We throw the words "genius" or "brilliant" around far too much, for things that are neither. Popular culture is a prime breeding ground for the heaping of praise on things that deserve none.

You may not like the style of music, but Travis is one of the greatest drummers of his generation, both technically and as a performer. Perhaps to some of the geriatrics on the board that may be a back handed compliment, so be it.

Also I'm not sure where in the article the author states that Travis is on par artistically with "Buddy Holly, Patsy Cline, Otis Redding, etc." The similiarity drawn seems to only be that he is a musician who was also in a plane crash.

I hope Travis fully recovers so he can continue his career that was and will continue to be anything but medicore.

In college, I recollect that Journalism was the major for all the students to dumb to major in English or even Sociology.

Are we living the effect of social promotions in colleges 35 years ago?

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Originally posted by cdr:
I agree with chilepepper on this. Mediocrity is admired and praised far too much in our culture. We throw the words "genius" or "brilliant" around far too much, for things that are neither. Popular culture is a prime breeding ground for the heaping of praise on things that deserve none.

You may not like the style of music, but Travis is one of the greatest drummers of his generation, both technically and as a performer. Perhaps to some of the geriatrics on the board that may be a back handed compliment, so be it.

Also I'm not sure where in the article the author states that Travis is on par artistically with "Buddy Holly, Patsy Cline, Otis Redding, etc." The similiarity drawn seems to only be that he is a musician who was also in a plane crash.

I hope Travis fully recovers so he can continue his career that was and will continue to be anything but medicore.

1) he's being compared to legends, 2) he's not dead, so what's the point in the article in the first place, & 3) he's no Neal Pert or Peter Criss

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Originally posted by Chilepepper:
1) he's being compared to legends, 2) he's not dead, so what's the point in the article in the first place, & 3) he's no Neal Pert or Peter Criss

1) Where does the author compare him to legends? Simply mentioning them in the same article is not a comparison, in fact the author does not fawn over Travis in any way.

2) Because when a member of a hugely popular band almost dies, its news.

3) Who said he was? Once again, that does not make him a medicore drummer.

The blogger doesn’t make an analogy, he simply uses the recent plane crash with musicians onboard as a lead (“a reminder”) into discussing a rather lengthy list of musicians who have died in plane crashes. And the reference to Aaliyah was but a small part of a long list of deaths to point out that “plane crash deaths cut across all styles and genres.” Perhaps you read a lot of his material to qualify him as a journalist, but I’ve never heard of him and will likely never again.

The only proof we have here is a lack of comprehension.

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Originally posted by Chilepepper:
he's no Neal Pert or Peter Criss

Peter Criss? You are joking, right? Definitely Peart. Also Bonham, Bruford and Moon. But Criss? Not in the same league. And yes, I was a huge KISS fan as a pre-teen (before I wised up.....well, sort of).

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Originally posted by GreenDrazi:
The blogger doesn’t make an analogy, he simply uses the recent plane crash with musicians onboard as a lead (“a reminder”) into discussing a rather lengthy list of musicians who have died in plane crashes. And the reference to Aaliyah was but a small part of a long list of deaths to point out that “plane crash deaths cut across all styles and genres.” Perhaps you read a lot of his material to qualify him as a journalist, but I’ve never heard of him and will likely never again.

The only proof we have here is a lack of comprehension.

You really should step away from the bottle sometimes. The title "Music's Most Fateful Flights" implies that these two yahoo's crash was among the most fateful flights. Mind you, they survived, so I don't see how fateful (in regards to music) it really is..if at all.

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Originally posted by Chilepepper:3) he's no Neal Pert

It's spelled Peart. Easy to remember if you pronounce it correctly. (peert)

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Originally posted by cdr:
I agree with chilepepper on this. Mediocrity is admired and praised far too much in our culture. We throw the words "genius" or "brilliant" around far too much, for things that are neither. Popular culture is a prime breeding ground for the heaping of praise on things that deserve none.

You got a problem with talent-free fake punk???

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Originally posted by Red guy in a blue state:

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Originally posted by Chilepepper:
he's no Neal Pert or Peter Criss

Peter Criss? You are joking, right? Definitely Peart. Also Bonham, Bruford and Moon. But Criss? Not in the same league. And yes, I was a huge KISS fan as a pre-teen (before I wised up.....well, sort of).

Ok, I admit it, I do like "Beth"

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Originally posted by Chilepepper:3) he's no Neal Pert

It's spelled Peart. Easy to remember if you pronounce it correctly. (peert)

Thank you so much. I really don't know how that "a" didn't get in there! I see you did not notice that it should have been Neil

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Dunder,

You just gave an excellent example of the hyperbole so widespread in the popular culture. This is guy is "one of the greatest drummers in his generation?" Really? If so, the state of popular music is even sadder than I thought.

What do you call somebody who hangs out with musicians? A drummer.

Who cares about any drummer, as chilipepper said they are easily replaced. The Who went on without Moon. Exactly how many drummers did the Dead go through? The only major act I can think of that broke up due to the loss of their drummer is Led Zep, and is was time for them to call it quits anyway.

It's obviously sad for the families, friends and fans of this fellow to be concerned for this fellow's well being, but let's not heap hyperbolic praise simply because of his tragedy.

If you want to see incompetent journalism as well as yellow journalism at its best, look no further than MSNBC

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The Who went on without Moon.

Oh, but they were never the same band. The loss of Moon crippled them, because Moon played the role of a colorist, not a timekeeper.

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Exactly how many drummers did the Dead go through?

They went through several keyboardists but never lost a drummer; Bill Kreutzmann was joined by Mickey Hart and they drummed in tandem until the end.

Bubble Gum punk and DJ's are not my glass of wine but I do like how the reference will hopefully bring the classics to the attention of today's generation. If not for these references the artist of the past work might just end up forgotten. Hopefully it inspired some of today's youth to go and google the other artist after reading the article.

Sorry Chile, but Peter Criss?