Kimi what a fiasco with a new contract. That will screw up Alonso's grand plan. Finished out of teh points again!!

Vettel. Finally. He did start last year on a restart in position one, and set fastest lap.

BMW and Renault are strating to show the promise projected

How Formula 1 drvers entertain themselves after retirement.

Ricardo Patrese and his wife...out for a Sunday drive.

You don't have to speak Italian to understand the gist of it, but it does help

Oops double post. Probably the Coudoulet 2001 and the system doesn't allow you to remove the screwed up post. My apologies.

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Originally posted by Mezzo Litro:
How Formula 1 drvers entertain themselves after retirement.

Ricardo Patrese and his wife...out for a Sunday drive.

You don't have to speak Italian to understand the gist of it, but it does help

Great post Mezzo. Attractive lady and fluent Italian was unnecessary to understand her most lucid [and most unladylike] comments particularly when she used hand signals to emphasise their meaning .

Oops double double post

Nigel, since you don't speak Italian, I'll translate her hand gestures:

"Honey, turn left here. I need to get some ointment for my tennis elbow".

The best part is Patrese's complete calm as she loses it.

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Nigel, since you don't speak Italian, I'll translate her hand gestures:

"Honey, turn left here. I need to get some ointment for my tennis elbow".

Mezzo I don't believe the elbow is where she told him to put it. Great stuff and Patrese was very calm [and later amused] about the whole thing

Today Lewis will get the verdict re his penalty.

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Today Lewis will get the verdict re his penalty.

I understand the hearing was today but the earliest decision will be tomorrow.

However there is apparently a good chance that the appeal will be deemed inadmissible on a technicality - on the basis that, although time penalties can be appealed, drive-through penalties cannot AND the judgement might be that this was a drive-through penalty which had to be delivered as a time penalty because the race was over. Ho Hum. Whatever!

OTOH if they agree to hear the appeal [of course they have already 'heard' it because Hamilton appeared and stated his case to the judges] and the counter arguments from Ferrari's lawyer, the judgement will be interesting. I am not holding my breath.

Appeal denied. Penalty stands!

Drive thru penalties "are not susceptible to appeal" as per article 152.

Article 16.3 provides for drive thru, stop and go, or a 10 grid position at next event, and if this is not imposed a 25 second penalty is to be imposed.

At least the apeals board was made by Philippe Narmino (Monaco), Xavier Conesa (Spain), Harry Duijm (Netherlands), Thierry Juillard (Switzerland) and Erich Sedelmeyer (Austria).

Article 16.3 of the FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations provides as follows:

The stewards may impose any one of three penalties on any driver involved in an incident:

a) A drive-through penalty. The driver must enter the pit lane and re-join the race without stopping.

b) A ten-second time penalty. The driver must enter the pit lane, stop at his pit for at least ten seconds and then re-join the race.

c) A drop of ten grid positions at the driver's next event.

However, should either of the penalties under a) and b) above be imposed during the last five laps, or after the end of a race, Article 16.4b) below will not apply and 25 seconds will be added to the elapsed race time of the driver concerned.

Paragraph 5 of Article 152 of the International Sporting Code provides as follows:

Penalties of driving through or stopping in pit lanes together with certain penalties specified in FIA Championship regulations where this is expressly stated are not susceptible to appeal.


In short he is lucky to only have lost a few points VS 10 positions, on a tight course, and with the posiblity of a poor qualification effort.

Totally predictable result.

Great recap nonetheless, Florida Wino.

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Totally predictable result.

Great recap nonetheless, Florida Wino.

I still have my FIA rules book!! Hate to give it up after all of these years.

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Totally predictable result.

Great recap nonetheless, Florida Wino.

I still have my FIA rules book!! Hate to give it up after all of these years.

You don't need “your old rule book” since the latest versions and much more are available to everyone Here giving verbatim what you posted above.

The decision not to hear the appeal is just the sort of nonsense F1 doesn't need when it is struggling for some 'sporting' credibility and surely didn’t require Hamilton’s presence and dialogue with Ferrari’s lawyer.

In YOUR opinion Hamilton was lucky. In the opinion of many others he was cheated by a unreasonably harsh decision in the light of what happened during and more importantly after the incident - when Kimi re-gained the lead because of Rosberg's unintentional obstruction when recovering from a spin and then crashing while trying too hard to stay ahead of Hamilton.

Of course each to his own view and let’s hope the remaining races don’t require the Rule Book to decide races that appear to have been decided naturally on the track.

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In short he is lucky to only have lost a few points VS 10 positions, on a tight course, and with the posiblity of a poor qualification effort.

At least with the loss of the points he is in a better position on the track after qualy at next race.

Yes FIA reads the words different each time, but this is teh basis they used "This" time. In Fuji they changed their minds, but again different judges.

FIA does have an axe to grind, and they do it all the time.

One of the hardest things in life to accept is getting "screwed" by someone who looks at you with a smile and extends his hand to you for a handshake. Everything was done according to the rules.

It's nothing personal...it's just business. (Now where have I heard that before? Hmmmm.)

The *reason* drive through penalties are not appealable is because the track position has already been lost. It wouldn't then be fair to the other drivers (ahead) where the penalized drive *would* have been without the penalty, how those other drivers *would* have reacted and adapted to the presence of another competitor in their vicinity, etc. It would be very messy speculation. Since the penalty was not physically imposed, they are simply using this as a loophole, perverting the intent of this rule in slimy legalistic fashion.

In the subsequent drivers meeting it was obvious that it was very unclear among the F1 drivers if Hamilton had done anything wrong. When an interpretation of a rule is so unclear, it is unfair to impose an arbitrary and harsh penalty based on an extreme interpretation. It would be better to publish a clarification after an event on how a rule will be interpreted going forward.

The drivers meeting did clarify the rule, and we already saw a behavior change in the first race.

I've been watching computerized 3D laps of the Singapore "night' track and I've seen some nice still photos too. This is gonna be a great race.

Start time should be 8 AM right?

Apparently it's a 10AM EST start. I went to bed at 1:30 I got up at 7:30AM expecting an 8AM start. I could have used the other 2 hours of sleep.

Qualifing started at 10, the race is at 8 tomorrow. As for qualifing; Massa gets the poll again.

Your boy pulled it off VT2IT. Massa's P1 qualifying lap in the Q3 was stunning. I thought I was watching Senna for a second. But I suspect he was light on fuel 'cause he beat Hamilton in P2 by almost 3/4 of a second. Having said that, I think Massa's strategy should prevail since passing is almost impossible. We'll see.

Hamilton was lucky to get out of Q2, but that was more his team's fault than his driving.

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Your boy pulled it off VT2IT. Massa's P1 qualifying lap in the Q3 was stunning. I thought I was watching Senna for a second. But I suspect he was light on fuel 'cause he beat Hamilton in P2 by almost 3/4 of a second. Having said that, I think Massa's strategy should prevail since passing is almost impossible. We'll see.

Hamilton was lucky to get out of Q2, but that was more his team's fault than his driving.

The real difference is that the Ferrari looks really settled whereas the McLaren is like a cat on a hot tin roof. The McLaren drivers will have a hard job maintaining that work rate for an entire race.