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Another pole for Massa. If his car doesn't let him down again it should be his race tomorrow. Hopefully Hamilton will get a DNF.
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As a Hamilton fan I can't share that sentiment, but I will admit the Ferrari looks strong on this circuit. I would prefer Raikonnen over Massa though. Κρασί, υγεία και ευτυχία |
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Me too, but I'm always more interested in the Constructors' Championship than the Drivers' Championship. Ferrari is still leading that. And too bad about Kimi's blow up. We needed the points. But at least Massa's win will stand, even though he was fined for his unsafe Pit exit onto Pit Lane. With the Ferrari driver's exchanging wins and points, and Hamilton having no competition from his team mate, Lewis should win the Drivers' Championship if things keep going this way. ______________________________ Leave the gun...take the cannoli. |
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Huh?
First Alsono gets rear ended and out Massa exits pits and gets fined and reprimanded [though he did not gain a "competive advantage.] Kimi blows the stop, injured mech, and then blows up. BMW on another Podium. Toyota in top group again. Are we in the silly season yet.? Great track, but not as much passing as I thought. On to Spa |
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But don't you know that Ron Dennis is the scourge of F1. We must wish ill on his protege. This years race is loking more and more to be Massa vs Hamilton. I really think Massa is better and will win it if the tracks stay dry, and Ferrari can figure out how to have their engines last. "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." Gerald Ford |
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Concur Ron Dennis caused most of the riff between Alonso and Lewis last year. Any blame for a poor season, falls on his shoulders. A couple track instances last year showed preferencial treatment for Lewis, for instance when he ran off the track, and the circuit put hime back on track, and towed the rest of the cars away. My cheers are with BMW, and Massa. Alonso is being cheered, but too far out of it now. |
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Hamilton took the pole easily, maybe too easy. Is he light on fuel and doesn't want Massa running away at the start again?
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VT2IT, I think you're right. I think this is McLaren's strategy (to keep Lewis light), but I don't think these kinds of 'power plays' work at Spa. The track is so long and fast and unpredictable (weather-wise) that there is plenty of time and places around the track to gain time or to even pass. I think this will be a race of attrition. I think the winner can easily come from any of the top 10 places on the grid. History has proved this many times at Spa.
This is one of my top 3 tracks. And like every race weekend, I race the track on my Sony Playstation 3 (previously PS2, before that PS1, before that SEGA and before that, my pc). Only trouble is that the newest game for PS3 is already a few years old, and there is no Belgium GP. I have to pull out my PS2 game from early 2000 to race this track, and obviously the graphics are not as good. I wish Bernie, F1 and EA Sports could finalize a $ figure that will make everyone happy, including me. It's time for a new F1 video game. ______________________________ Leave the gun...take the cannoli. |
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You don't by any chance race in a red car Mezzo, do you?
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Really looking forward to Spa tomorrow, this track is guaranteed to throw up some excitement and difficult conditions, should make for an eventful race throughout the field.
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"That's what I'm talking about guys!".... 4 miniutes of rain at the end of the race and a Championship can change. I can only feel sympathy for Raikonnen, I'd rather it was Massa that went off, but at least now it will be a clear 2-horse race to the end.
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Well it sure was an exciting finish, disappointing, but exciting. When Hamilton spun Kimi could have just slowed to a crawl and won it, but no he spun also, and then crashed out for no points.
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Yes, I do  ...but it's NOT a Ferrari.  ______________________________ Leave the gun...take the cannoli. |
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Hamilton was given a 25 second penalty for cutting the chicane (against Kimi).
This pushes him to 3rd. Massa is now official winner (pending any appeal from mcLaren) and Heidfeld gets 2nd. Ferrari wins. All is good in the world. ______________________________ Leave the gun...take the cannoli. |
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Holy crap!! Not sure if this will withstand an appeal as he did let Kimi by. I was watching with my daughter who said at the time "hey that's cheating, he can't do that can he dad"? I explained that it was alright since he gave up the place, but maybe the stewarts felt he gained too much track position. This should be interresting.
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VT2IT, rules are rules. McLaren continues to be under the F1 microscope because they have been branded (and rightly so) cheaters in 2007. This will plague them, and Ron Dennis, for quite a while. Ron Dennis should step down and take McLaren's tainted image with him.
I think Hamilton is a very good driver (not a great driver) in a great car. Unfortunately, I will always question the recent technology in that M4P-23. I feel bad for him. I respect the fact that he is extremely loyal (to McLaren and Dennis), but his loyalty is costing him big time. Congrats to Massa for driving a patient race. ______________________________ Leave the gun...take the cannoli. |
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As we used to say in the UK before decimalisation the final result at Spa is 'as bent as a nine bob note'
I really don't think this is, as Eddie Murphy might say, a 'black thing' but Hamilton's penalty is definitely 'bent'. 'Bent' versus other previous so-called penalties but even more clearly 'bent' on the visual evidence whether you watch it in slow motion, normal speed or 10 times. If Kimi had managed to keep his car on the track and finished just behind Lewis one could just about stomach a reversal of positions between those two. But Massa and Heidfeld weren't anywhere near and never had a chance of winning nor were they in any way affected by what happened other than moving up one because Kimi couldn't control his car. Did Kimi cause Hamilton who was alongside him and moving ahead to go off? Yes BUT fairly. Did Hamilton's 'off' put him in front? Yes. Did Hamilton give the position back before attacking again? Clearly yes. Hamilton was able to drive his car in the wet, Kimi wasn't and the final result is another bad F1 joke. |
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I couldn't have put it better myself - I'd love to see the fine-print in the rules on chicane-corner-cutting, since, up until now, "relinquishing the place" was deemed to be the required action - and from where I was sitting that's exactly what Hamilton did. Humbug! Κρασί, υγεία και ευτυχία |
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The fine print is that you cannot gain a place advantage by cutting the corner, nor can you gain a momentum advantage. Lewis let Kimi by, but he had a speed advantage clearly due to cutting the chicane. This incident is debatable...and has been debated...and a decision has been made. 25 second penalty. This penalty is consistent with similar F1 incidents.
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I think we know that the decision has been made but the question is was it a good one? IMO it was 'bent' for reasons I have already given. (a) why did he cut the corner? (b) .... he got a speed advantage? You must be joking. He was in control, Kimi wasn't. He had been put off once (with aggressive but fair IMO defensive driving) while overtaking Kimi. Hamilton was simply going to have him for breakfast. Hamilton already had an obvious speed advantage as well as a control advantage so he really didn't need to be put off the track to gain anything more. Massa and Heidfeld did nothing to justify their elevation. A complete travesty of natural justice and - hey - I am a Kimi fan. I really feel bad for him having run out in front for so long. But Hamilton did NOT deserve this load of. |
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Sorry Nigel. What does "bent" exactly mean? With your Eddie Murphy reference, it sounds like you mean "racist". Correct me if I'm wrong, please.
According to FIA, the Stewards deemed Hamilton did not properly allow Kimi Raikkonen to re-pass after overtaking the Ferrari driver by cutting the final chicane with just over two laps to go. Hamilton did let the Finn pass him after the chicane, but he then used the slipstream of the Ferrari to immediately launch a successful overtaking move at the next corner. This is the official reason. ______________________________ Leave the gun...take the cannoli. |
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I can clearly see how Hamilton deserves some sort of penalty. I can't see how Massa deserves the win however, and he is my pick for the crown this year. Is the 25 seconds a standardized penalty for such an infraction, or was the amount choosen specifically to put Lewis in third?
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