OK, a bit off topic here, but I played tennis for nearly two hours yesterday. The difference in quick vertical and lateral stop/start running vs. constant motion is glaring. Let's just say that my feet, knees, and joints are feeling it today.

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OK, a bit off topic here, but I played tennis for nearly two hours yesterday. The difference in quick vertical and lateral stop/start running vs. constant motion is glaring. Let's just say that my feet, knees, and joints are feeling it today.

Well the "2 hours" part had something to do it. Run for 2 hours and see how you feel. Tennis for 30 minutes is a joke. Running for 30 minutes is NO joke.

Teasing, but I played basketball all my life and yes the stopping, side movements effect you, but you do get your breaks. All I can say is running for 45 minutes or an hour straight is harder for me than even 2 hours of stop and go basketball. Everyone's different.

Ah Hunter, you must still be young. I think my basketball and tennis playing was much harder on my knees than my running.

When running I could lay into a seven minute, six minute until my mid 30's, mile and do that without mcuh change of heartbeat throughout. I would always sprint the last 200 yards to change things up. I believe my heartbeat underwent a lot more push during the constant sprints, jumping, stretching, and motions of bball and tennis than plain running. But perhaps that's because I was in good shape!

Sitting here watching my wife stretch after her quick little 13 mile run is making me sore.

Speaking of basketball. I played in the City "A" league until I was 31. I landed on a players foot after the last dunk of my career ( ) and broke my right foot in over a dozen places. Never played in a competitive league again.

I later broke the same foot in the simi-finals of our state racquetball tournament.

I have found wine drinking much safer.

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Originally posted by Sandy Fitzgerald:
When running I could lay into a seven minute, six minute until my mid 30's, mile and do that without mcuh change of heartbeat throughout. I would always sprint the last 200 yards to change things up.

6 minute mile? That is a sprint! At least in my world.

re: tennis. The quality of the workout is usually a function of the quality of the opponent. When playing with a lesser player, the only way to get a workout is to play with one can of balls and run after the strays.....

PH

I run about 20/25 miles a week. I have run a marathon and a dozen half marathons. I run at a sub 8 minute pace. Always have. This year a bunch of us are running the Ragnar Relay - a 12 person 200 mile race in the Wassatch mountains.

Truth is I hate running. But I love finishing!

I try to do some trail running, primarily in the fall for the purpose of getting into shape for cross country skiing. I've only done one running competition in my life - a half marathon that I did many years ago (before I knew better ). After that experience I realized that racing bicycles was a lot more "body friendly" exercise for me.

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Originally posted by Sandy Fitzgerald:
When running I could lay into a seven minute, six minute until my mid 30's, mile and do that without mcuh change of heartbeat throughout. I would always sprint the last 200 yards to change things up.

6 minute mile? That is a sprint! At least in my world.

re: tennis. The quality of the workout is usually a function of the quality of the opponent. When playing with a lesser player, the only way to get a workout is to play with one can of balls and run after the strays.....

PH

A 6 minute mile takes some time and dedication to get to, but it can be done. I have done a mile in under 5 minutes and 30 seconds. While that might seem fast, my friend in the USMC can run a 3 mile in a little over 15 minutes and he is not even the fastest one.

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Ah Hunter, you must still be young. I think my basketball and tennis playing was much harder on my knees than my running.

When running I could lay into a seven minute, six minute until my mid 30's, mile and do that without mcuh change of heartbeat throughout. I would always sprint the last 200 yards to change things up. I believe my heartbeat underwent a lot more push during the constant sprints, jumping, stretching, and motions of bball and tennis than plain running. But perhaps that's because I was in good shape!

Yeah. It's hard for me to say actually as I only took up real running the last year or so and stopped playing serious hoops years ago. I never did both at the same time - I don't think I could have! I played basketball my whole life and was able to handle it fine. My only regret is not being in the shape I'm in now back when I played recreational orgranized basketball.

I'm a lonely running stud now! Doing it just for moi.

I tried running, but I kept spilling my martini, so I gave it up.

I thought running vs badmington/squash/tennis and so is because they actually use completely differing muscle groups or same muscles but in different ways. You don't get the breathlessness playing tennis that you do running, but you don't get the stretching and use of muscles from running that you do from racket sports. Heck I can run 5 k's and feel fresh, but if I play squash for an hour I am shattered.

Wisad;

I obviously agree with your point about racketball. But it's not apples to apples. Even into my forites I wwas doing 7 min miles, before my knes went. To run a hour would be about 7.5 miles. So to compare an hour of running to an hour of tennis (for me) that would have to be the comparison.

Playing tennis for an hour would wear me down, but I would enjoy it. Running for an hour would normally bore me to death.

Agreed but the exhaustion would be very very different. I run for an hour and my legs are tight, but fine, if I play badmington for an hour I can barely walk the next day.

Whenever I get the urge to exercise, I lie down until it passes.

Did 5 miles this morning. My legs hurt.

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Originally posted by WISAD:
I thought running vs badmington/squash/tennis and so is because they actually use completely differing muscle groups or same muscles but in different ways. You don't get the breathlessness playing tennis that you do running, but you don't get the stretching and use of muscles from running that you do from racket sports. Heck I can run 5 k's and feel fresh, but if I play squash for an hour I am shattered.

WISAD-

I agree with your comments here.

I have been an avid runner/jogger and played tennis for over 20 years - although last week was the first time I picked up a tennis racquet in a long time. Both types of activities provide workouts for different sets of muscles.

I can run 4-5 miles and feel great the next day. However, if I play tennis for 1-2 hours my knees and joints ache for a couple of days. And, I can certainly feel out of breath on a tennis court, especailly after a long baseline rally.

Of course, the recovery time with both activities has increased as I have advanced in years.

Wow, some serious atheletes here for a bunch of vino heads!

As I rapidly approached the back side of middle age, I decided to get off the couch about 2 to 3 years ago.

Nothing to serious, but I run 3 or 4 times a week now, 3 to 4 miles each. Slow pace, barely under 10 minutes/mile but better than nothing.

I also hit the gym three times per week for weights. Again, nothing too serious, but moving some body parts around anyway.

Feel alot better for it and look forward to the workouts. Helps negate the wine calories also, a big plus.

I just finished 5.35 miles on the treadmill. I can now relax and watch the Masters.

Started running outdoors again. Really stopped running late last year. I've noticed that my heart rate is great when it is cold outside-ie remains in the 150s range and creeps up into the 160s range at the end of my run. I remember that even in when I was in better shape, if you increase the outside temp, my HR jumps into the 160s range as an average HR for the duration of the run. Ran about 5-6 miles Friday and will try again today.

Hit Mount Royal today as well. Great day for a run/fast walk/run mix. Started up the stairs, around the upper mountain and down. Felt great! Time to increase.

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Originally posted by Mimik:
Started running outdoors again. Really stopped running late last year. I've noticed that my heart rate is great when it is cold outside-ie remains in the 150s range and creeps up into the 160s range at the end of my run. I remember that even in when I was in better shape, if you increase the outside temp, my HR jumps into the 160s range as an average HR for the duration of the run. Ran about 5-6 miles Friday and will try again today.

Interesting. I am 40 years old and a life-long runner. However, after a considerable hiatus, I started running again, consistently (3-4 X week), a little over two months ago. My heart-rate jumps into the 170-180 range towards the end of my runs, which is higher than recommended, but I feel great. I am going to invest in a monitor to more accurately check my rate during my runs.

I look forward to warmer weather so I can run outdoors more often.

I'm 68 and have been running since I was 35. I have slowed down a lot in recent years, and currently, I do 2-3 4.5 mi. runs a week. I need to do something to burn up the extra calories from the wine consumption.

Running in the Crazy Legs Classic up in Madison next weekend. 5 miles and about 11,000 people. I've been able to run on the trails around here since the snow melted in mid-February so I'm hoping for a good time. My goal is 37 minutes.

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Originally posted by khmark7:
Running in the Crazy Legs Classic up in Madison next weekend. 5 miles and about 11,000 people. I've been able to run on the trails around here since the snow melted in mid-February so I'm hoping for a good time. My goal is 37 minutes.

Anything under 40 minutes would be very good; 37 minutes would be fantastic. Good luck!

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Originally posted by gigabit:

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Originally posted by Mimik:
Started running outdoors again. Really stopped running late last year. I've noticed that my heart rate is great when it is cold outside-ie remains in the 150s range and creeps up into the 160s range at the end of my run. I remember that even in when I was in better shape, if you increase the outside temp, my HR jumps into the 160s range as an average HR for the duration of the run. Ran about 5-6 miles Friday and will try again today.

Interesting. I am 40 years old and a life-long runner. However, after a considerable hiatus, I started running again, consistently (3-4 X week), a little over two months ago. My heart-rate jumps into the 170-180 range towards the end of my runs, which is higher than recommended, but I feel great. I am going to invest in a monitor to more accurately check my rate during my runs.

I look forward to warmer weather so I can run outdoors more often.

Interesting. I'm in my late 30s and I find that if I push my heart rate up too high, ie 170-174 for a prolonged period of time, I actually feel worse and very tired and drained at the end of the run. The contrary is true at a lower heart rate. Maybe you are just fine at a higher heart rate-check it out with your doctor.