If utility Lou was on the juice he was on the wrong stuff. 9 years and he compiled the mind boggling numbers of a .271 average, 14 hr's and 125 rbi's. I mean if that's what you get from taking it why bother. That and he spent so much time in the minors where they actually test for the stuff he probably would have been busted.
IIRC, they didn't start testing for steroids in the minors until 2005. Stringent testing for other stuff (marijuana, etc) for a long time, but not roids....
Romeo and Juliet are together in eternity....
Posts: 6137 | Location: Elk Grove, CA, USA | Registered: Dec 06, 2003
Originally posted by DoubleD: Manny is suspended for 50 games for performance enhancing drugs! Wow!
I knew this season was too good to be true. I can care less if people do steroids, but those are the rules now. Now the fans and teammates have to suffer.
Posts: 2193 | Location: OC, CA (Currently in London) | Registered: Aug 01, 2007
Originally posted by GlennK: ...I knew this season was too good to be true...
no kidding
he says it was from medicine prescribed to him by a doctor for a personal medical issue... dont know if thats true but if so, i still put the blame on him, unlike that one athelete (forget who?) who bought the supplement at GNC...
Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy! I'm pretty sure if it's prescribed by a doctor for a legit reason they don't suspend you. Medicine prescribed from a doctor for getting old and losing bat speed while still being a greedy roid raging a-hole slapping teammates in the dugout and throwing down clubhouse attendants and faking knee injuries to leave Boston and get out of a contract he signed. That I'd buy. That's what happens when you make deals with the devil Mr. McCourt. Meanwhile his replacement (Bay) is tearing it up and slaying the Yankee's left and right. Too good to be true!
I read an article in SI that quoted someone saying that in hindsight, Ken Griffey Jr. was perhaps the greatest hitter of his generation (the inference clearly being that he did it naturally unlike most others). I'm only a passive baseball follower though I've always liked Griffey and the Mariners, so I was curious on other's thoughts on that statement?
Posts: 1228 | Location: Vancouver | Registered: Feb 19, 2008
Originally posted by Dunder: I read an article in SI that quoted someone saying that in hindsight, Ken Griffey Jr. was perhaps the greatest hitter of his generation (the inference clearly being that he did it naturally unlike most others). I'm only a passive baseball follower though I've always liked Griffey and the Mariners, so I was curious on other's thoughts on that statement?
I stand by my stance that everyone is a suspect. However, Griffey's prolonged absences from baseball, due to injuries, would seem to suggest that he wasn't using something to get back on the field.
Posts: 2512 | Location: Utah | Registered: Jan 15, 2008
Originally posted by gigabit: I stand by my stance that everyone is a suspect. However, Griffey's prolonged absences from baseball, due to injuries, would seem to suggest that he wasn't using something to get back on the field.
Not to mention that in looking at Griffey's build through the years, if he was taking steroids he was getting ripped off. But your point stands, fans have reason to be suspicious of pretty much anyone.
Posts: 1228 | Location: Vancouver | Registered: Feb 19, 2008
Originally posted by DoubleD: What goes around comes around Icewino.
That's why it's so great that Manny is finally getting his. He's the biggest a-hole in Boston sports since Carl Everette and nobody deserves this more than him. I hope the guy he threw to the ground because he couldn't get him 18 tickets to a game last year laughs until he cry's over this. I know I almost did.
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Originally posted by GlennK: I figured Icewino would come with some jr. high smack. I was not disappointed.
And I figured there'd a Manny appologist who despite all the lousy things Manny has done to people over the years can come on here and contribute nothing to the actual subject matter at hand.
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Originally posted by Icewino: ...I'm pretty sure if it's prescribed by a doctor for a legit reason they don't suspend you...
wrong, why it's called a "zero tolerance" policy
2 words - David Ortiz , falling harder than Sosa
Your preaching to the choir on Ortiz. I've said the same thing repeatedly on these boards. I'd bet my next paycheck on it.
As for your "zero tolerance" your absolutely wrong. Last year there were over 100 medical exemptions to the policy. Mostly for ADD drugs but there were other reasons. I remember hearing things about John Lester who I believe had some of his cancer treatment and strength building drugs excused after chemo but I'm not 100% sure on that. I am 100% sure on the others. Click here if you care.
Well if not for Manny - the Red Sox would still be the Dead Sox and they never would have won anything and fans would still be subject to the 1918 chant - so while he may have acted like a dufus, any fan of the Dead Sox owes him a debt that cannot be repaid
Posts: 2688 | Location: South Florida | Registered: Dec 30, 2002
Originally posted by Icewino: And I figured there'd a Manny appologist who despite all the lousy things Manny has done to people over the years can come on here and contribute nothing to the actual subject matter at hand.
Where did I apologize for Manny? I’m totally disappointed as a Dodger fan and a baseball fan. My last comment was just referring to your propensity to act like a child while others are just talking like adults.
Posts: 2193 | Location: OC, CA (Currently in London) | Registered: Aug 01, 2007
Right, coming on and attacking other board members and calling names is definitely acting like an adult. You may not like the way I decided to express my unbridled joy that this guy finally got what he's had coming to him for a long time but at least I contributed to the topic at hand. I couldn't find another way to express the fact that I was laughing out loud when I heard the news. I suppose a boring LOL might have pleased the "adults" like yourself more. What a fun life you must live.
As for who owes who what he owes the fans for putting up with his s**t and loving him no matter what. Most of them could care less what a skunk he was as long as he hit. Schilling, Martinez and Lowe were what really got the job done in '04. Not to diminish his .308 2hr and 11rbi's in the post season that year but there was plenty of offense without him. Really it was last year we could have used him for a third push at a ring but he shot his way out of town.
If anyone's interested in what an ass this guy was and why Sox fans hate him even though he was a big piece of the championships here's an article on it. Clicky
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GlennK, what I find so terribly insulting is the BS stories these agents come up with for their clients.
Let me understand. Your M.D. knows you are a professional ballplayer, writes you a prescription or injects you with ANYTHING and does not advise you to check first, or already has knowledge this is a banned drug.
Even people from Minneapolis are smarted than that.
Originally posted by Icewino: ...As for your "zero tolerance" your absolutely wrong. Last year there were over 100 medical exemptions to the policy. Mostly for ADD drugs but there were other reasons...
that's right, but the policy is 100% zero tolerance for substances the league deems inappropriate regardless of what a doctor says. according to the league joint drug and prevention & treatment program, a doctor may deem it necessary and be legally correct in doing so, but if the league doesn't agree than it doesn't matter. you, or the doctor, have to provide documentation stating the necessity of the drug, of which MLB can approve or decline.
Umm...so if a doctor prescribes it and the MLB doctors review your use of it and allow you to "legally" use it even though it's on the banned substance list then it's not a "zero" tolerance policy. Zero tolerance means none, no exceptions, if you have the subsatnce that is banned in you for any reason you are in violation. MLB makes exceptions for some people even though the substances are banned. Ritalin, an amphetamine, is banned, unless you get the prescription approved and then it's allowed, plus a few other exceptions.
Is there a lawyer in the house? Here's the exact wording in the policy Kumazam. Feel free to admit you're wrong any time.
Therapeutic Use Exemption 1. A Player authorized to ingest a Prohibited Substance through a valid, medically appropriate prescription provided by a duly licensed physician shall receive a Therapeutic Use Exemption (“TUE”). To be “medically appropriate,” the Player must have a documented medical need under the standards accepted in the United States or Canada for the prescription in the prescribed dosage. A urine sample which is found to contain a Prohibited Substance will not be deemed a positive test result if such sample was provided by a Player with an effective TUE for that substance. A Player with a TUE for a Prohibited Substance does not violate the Program by possessing or using that substance.
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, falling harder than Sosa
