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Originally posted by MiamiWineNovice:

Bottom line is this. Youks gets hit, charges mound. I don't necessarily blame him for going after Porcello. The helmet thing was bush. 7-8 games, reduced to 5 or 6.

As a Tigers fan viewing this, I don't see why he should even get that much either, but I'm not really anchoring that against what other guys have recently gotten for similar incidents. I didn't watch Tuesday's game, but did see Monday's, and this was building from that game when both Cabrera and Youkilis got hit that night as well. Porcello clearly meant to hit him on Tuesday; not sure whether Cabrera was intentionally hit, but to have him hit 2 nights in a row starts to make you wonder. I feel like 3 games is more appropriate, but the 5 may be more accurate, as they will probably have to suspend Porcello for 5 so he misses a start (which I'm not sure I mind at this point). All I really care about is whether the Tigers can actually start winning some freakin' road games.

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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by MiamiWineNovice:


Despite the fact that it is the Red Sox - I hate these suspensions. That the pitchers get suspended and often do not have to even miss a start and the position players get suspended for real, just seems ridiculous. I say forget the suspension but let the Tigers bean him again next time they play. Old school.

One side note (I don't think I posted on this before) - I love the delight Red Sox Nation took when A-Rod was outed re steroids, but now that Manny and Papi have been also, they want to downplay the whole thing. Now they are trying to say Papi took regular supplements that caused the positive. Puhlease. Just as dirty as everyone else and the only reason your guys weren't named in the Mitchell report was due to his obvious conflict of interest and targeting of NY teams. Nice job Selig.

In terms of the steroids thing, I think it goes both ways. Red Sox fans did take delight in the fact that A-Rod was outed. Most of this is due to the fact that he is, generally speaking, a fairly unlikeable athlete (I think that even some Yankee fans here can agree with that to some extent). All of my Yankee fan friends absolutely downplayed it. When everything came out with Ortiz and Manny, I don't think any Red Sox fans were totally shocked especially in the aftermath of Manny's suspension earlier this season. Because of Manny's bitter divorce with the Sox, I'm not sure that the majority of us cared. With Ortiz, it is a different story. He, from a public relations standpoint, is the anti-A-Rod. He has traditionally done and said all the right things and is, generally speaking a likeable personality. Red Sox fans were/are extremely disappointed in him. When he came to bat for the first time at Fenway after this came out (not the day of, but after he made the 'apology') you could hear crickets at Fenway. There are other former Red Sox who I honestly believe took roids at some point. I suspect that Trot Nixon, Damon and Tek all took them at some point. Based on his power surge this year, I wouldn't be surprised if Damon was taking something again (contract year). Ortiz hurts the most - that would be analogous to you guys finding out that Mo, Posada or Jeter was juicing at some point. And mind you me, Yankee fans have given Red Sox fans a TON of shit about this. I think one of the reasons that this hasn't been as huge in the media as A-Rod is because:

1) The media and baseball fans are becoming de-sensitized to this sort of thing.
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2) A-Rod is the biggest name in the game who consistently denied, on a national stage, that he had ever used roids.

Keep in mind that it is the players that come out and acknowledge and accept the fact that they screwed up of which the public is way more forgiving. Take, for instance, Andy Pettite. Do we really ever hear about him using PEDs anymore? And in terms of the Mitchell report - I can see what you guys mean. At the same time, take into consideration that the two biggest names of guys who ratted out ballplayers were Brian MacNamee and Kirk Radomski - both of whom were closely related with the NYYs and Mets. Those were two huge NARCS - it's really a tough call to say that Mitchell targeted the Yankees and Mets when we don't know how much he dug into other teams. It could be that these guys were just the most willing to talk. And, honestly, does anyone ever really talk about the Mitchell report anymore?

In terms of the post by winesparty, I agree with you in terms of the amount of games he should be suspended and the disparity between what pitchers and batters get. I think it would be 5 moved down to 3 on appeal were it not for the helmet. Bob Watson, who hands down the suspensions, however, has never been kind to the Sox with respect to suspensions and I can't imagine he will be here. I would assume he will appeal it to get through the crucial upcoming series with Texas and then drop it when they start their next homestand at the end of the month. It's way better to have Youkilis not playing at home rather than on the road.

Another note of interest...

Bob Watson hands down these suspensions. Red Sox fans traditionally believe that Watson is tougher with respect to Red Sox suspensions. Since he was once the GM of the Yankees, he is (no so) affectionately referred to as 'Yankee Bob'.

This suspension will be an interesting test for Yankee Bob Watson. Last year, Richie Sexson got 6 games, reduced to 5, for charging the mound and throwing his helmet at once and future Red Sox Kason Gabbard.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports...sion-reduction_N.htm

From that article, it seems that Sexson wasn't even hit with the pitch, but charged and threw anyway. Youkilis was hit in the back, for the second night in a row.

This will be a nice little test here for Watson.

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Originally posted by Board-O:

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Originally posted by Icewino:
Nobody is reliving anything

Actually, liar, that's exactly what you're doing. Your two World Series victories in the time the Yankees have won 26 are not statistically significant except to document their futility. Your two victories since 1918 fail the chi square test for validity of winning significance. They do pass for ineptitude. The Yankees 26 pass the chi square test for statistical significance easily. You're clearly the stupid one.

Oh, the liar liar pants on fire defense. Good one. I thought with old age came wisdom, clearly I was wrong. The Red Sox haven't won 2 titles in the time the Yankee's won their 26, the Yankee's have won zero in the time the Red Sox have won two. But keep reliving the last century and their 26 titles on the distant past if it makes you happy BO. Eventually you'll figure out that nothing except this year matters unless you live in the past. They have different rosters, coaches, owners, and even a new stadium for one team. If it's possible for you to live in the present welcome to the 21st century, 2009 is all that matters right now.

As for the suspension, I think Crisp got 8 games last year for charging the mound so considering the fact that Youk chucked his helmet I'm thinking it'll be at least the same 8 games. I just wish they had done this in NY and fired themselves up there.

Almost forgot the 'roids. I'm already on record as not believing Ortiz about the supplements and I've said before if Millar, Nixon, Kapler, Tek, Damon etc were on roids I wouldn't be surprised one bit. But please, when your team has/had Giambi, Clemens, Petit, and A-Roid that's the definition of the pot calling the kettle black. The 90's-00's were the steroid era, everyone was using but at least the Red Sox managed to win something for their efforts.

I could care less about you Yanks/Sox fans..but no matter what duration you use...whether it be since my 14 yr old daughter was born, myself or my 89 yr old Grandmother..the Red Sox have won as many titles as the Marlins in that time frame.

Looks like the Marlins are trying to sneak up on Philly right now too!!

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Originally posted by Pinotlvr:
I could care less about you Yanks/Sox fans..but no matter what duration you use...whether it be since my 14 yr old daughter was born, myself or my 89 yr old Grandmother..the Red Sox have won as many titles as the Marlins in that time frame.

Looks like the Marlins are trying to sneak up on Philly right now too!!

And the Marlins have won more this decade than the Yankees.

Going to the Marlins game tonight. I am sure there will be about 20 people there, 30 if you count the beer vendors.

Nice! The Marlins are looking pretty good. I bet there will be at least 40 people there!

Youkilis suspended for 5 games. Maybe actually being intentionally hit lessened the blow.

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Originally posted by Pinotlvr:
I could care less about you Yanks/Sox fans..but no matter what duration you use...whether it be since my 14 yr old daughter was born, myself or my 89 yr old Grandmother..the Red Sox have won as many titles as the Marlins in that time frame.

Don't you understand? The only allowable time frame is 2001 until now!

But let's stop with this endless bickering. Let's discuss the present. Another Yankee win.

Good luck with the Phillies. One tough team.

I'm still waiting for Syd to talk some real baseball.

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Originally posted by MiamiWineNovice:
I'm still waiting for Syd to talk some real baseball.

Oh, the pressure!

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Originally posted by MiamiWineNovice:
And the Marlins have won more this decade than the Yankees.

Whuh? Are you talking about the Marlins' title in 2003 versus the Yankees' win in 2000? I pity the fool who don't have the facts straight. You also ignore another fact that the Marlins have won as many titles in the last century than the Red Sux.

Double, love the Mr T reference. He lives in Chicago and I think he sang the seventh inning stretch at Wrigley at some point so he must be a cubs fan.

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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
Going to the Marlins game tonight. I am sure there will be about 20 people there, 30 if you count the beer vendors.

I'd be #31 more often if I could, but that would require me to live down there again. That I can skip..LOL

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Originally posted by DoubleD:

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Originally posted by MiamiWineNovice:
And the Marlins have won more this decade than the Yankees.

Whuh? Are you talking about the Marlins' title in 2003 versus the Yankees' win in 2000? I pity the fool who don't have the facts straight. You also ignore another fact that the Marlins have won as many titles in the last century than the Red Sux.

I think he's using the technical mathematician definition of when the decade started....2001..although its much more practical to use 2000...it just flows better. I mean, after 2000+ years, can we just ignore that there wasn't a year 0?

Pinotlvr hit the nail on the head.

And the Marlins have won as many world series in the last century as have the Red Sox? DoubleD, your math is way off, homeslice.

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Originally posted by MiamiWineNovice:
Pinotlvr hit the nail on the head.

And the Marlins have won as many world series in the last century as have the Red Sox? DoubleD, your math is way off, homeslice.

It just seemed that way. Okay, so prior to 2004, your team won championships in 1912-15, 1916, and 1918. Still pathetic IMO.

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Originally posted by Pinotlvr:

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Originally posted by DoubleD:

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Originally posted by MiamiWineNovice:
And the Marlins have won more this decade than the Yankees.

Whuh? Are you talking about the Marlins' title in 2003 versus the Yankees' win in 2000? I pity the fool who don't have the facts straight. You also ignore another fact that the Marlins have won as many titles in the last century than the Red Sux.

I think he's using the technical mathematician definition of when the decade started....2001..although its much more practical to use 2000...it just flows better. I mean, after 2000+ years, can we just ignore that there wasn't a year 0?

So when one talks about the '90s, do you leave out 1990?

Don't you just love the anger and envy in all the Yankee haters? I know I do.

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Originally posted by Pinotlvr:

I think he's using the technical mathematician definition of when the decade started....2001..although its much more practical to use 2000...it just flows better. I mean, after 2000+ years, can we just ignore that there wasn't a year 0?

Spoken like a true Democrat, ignoring the facts when they are inconvenient.

You disappoint me, the artist formerly known as chilepepper.

Moo

Good win for the Sox tonight. Beckett pitching himself into serious contention for a cy young.

I was at the game and he looked real good, especially considering it was only 64 degrees and misty all night. Fastball at 95 and the curve working. It is about time for him to win the award rather than just contend for it. At first I realized my seats were in row "DD" which I figured was a bad omen but it worked out nicely.

Youk might have lit a fire under these guys. Lowell is en fuego and Bay ic coming around again too. Unfortunately Tek and Papi looked even worse in person than they do on TV. Not even good swings out of them, never mind good contact.

The Giants beat the dodgers in extra innings in spite of the officiating who stole a complete game win from Lincecum in the ninth. Happy to get the win after two severe beatings as our offense sucks. Given recent history, fun to be in contention for more than the cellar this year and anything is possible if your team gets in the play-offs.

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Originally posted by Juicy:
The Giants beat the dodgers in extra innings in spite of the officiating who stole a complete game win from Lincecum in the ninth. Happy to get the win after two severe beatings as our offense sucks. Given recent history, fun to be in contention for more than the cellar this year and anything is possible if your team gets in the play-offs.

It was a pretty close play. In super slow-mo you can tell he was out, but not by much. Tough call at full speed. I tell you one thing; I don’t want to face the Giants in the playoffs with their starting pitching….

Pedro Martinez looked pretty good in is first start for my Phillies last night in Chicago. He would really boost the pitching staff if can maintain any kind of form. The Phillies continue to astound me this year with how good they play on the road and how poorly they have played at home.