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Originally posted by Dave Tong BBP:
Our last 7 cars have all been Japanese. 3 Mazdas (2 Miatas), Toyota Sienna and 3 Acura Integras.

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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
My wife and I have a Saab, Range Rover and Porsche.

The Saab is an odd (and oddly boring) workhorse. The RR makes me cry as it falls apart and depreciates everytime I get in it. The Porsche is old and broken in like a favorite pair of shoes to the point where it is an absolute extnsion of my body penis.

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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:

The RR makes me cry as it falls apart and depreciates everytime I get in it.

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Originally posted by Stefania Wine:
My penis is just fine, thank you very much mister Ass.

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Originally posted by Gigond Ass:

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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
My wife and I have a Saab, Range Rover and Porsche.

The Saab is an odd (and oddly boring) workhorse. The RR makes me cry as it falls apart and depreciates everytime I get in it. The Porsche is old and broken in like a favorite pair of shoes to the point where it is an absolute extnsion of my body penis.

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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:

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Originally posted by Gigond Ass:

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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
My wife and I have a Saab, Range Rover and Porsche.

The Saab is an odd (and oddly boring) workhorse. The RR makes me cry as it falls apart and depreciates everytime I get in it. The Porsche is old and broken in like a favorite pair of shoes to the point where it is an absolute extnsion of my body penis.

Wow, how mature...

I can tell you right now, I wouldn't want a green extension to my penis...

What's with the obvious dislike/uncomfortability with Porsches anyways? People automatically think you're some kind of snob as soon as they find out you have one (as opposed to telling then you activly post on a wine geek site...).

It just so happens that I worked summers and saved up to buy a rough old Porsche with my dad when I was 16 and then spent the next three years restoring/modifying it with him as a hobby project. I've driven it for the past 15 years. I took Porsche Club of America drivers education with it when I was a kid and became a national driving instructor, got my racing license and raced it for a number of years as well. So yes, after 15 years, 90,000+ miles, 5 engines, two ground up rebuilds, 1 fire, 1 major crash and 5000+ hot laps at various tracks around North America I can say that I'm pretty confident that I know what the car will do in pretty well any instance, (sometimes before the car does!) and how to deal with it without having to think too much about it...

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Originally posted by DoktaP:
I have a beautifully restored '71 MGB. Teal blue with black interior. Like all British cars, the electrical system sucks (that's why they drink warm beer), but it handles the curves and country roads like a dream.
Sadly, I only get to drive it on pristeen days, and less than 400 miles per year.

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Originally posted by vinole:
I believe yours is bigger and has more hp.

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Originally posted by Vt2It:

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Originally posted by vinole:
I believe yours is bigger and has more hp.

Are you guys still talking about penises?

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Originally posted by sydthesquid:

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Originally posted by vinole:

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Originally posted by Sticky2:
I thought it was pretty simple but I'll be more specific for those struggling. The parent company of the automobile being manufactured (the brand) not of the automotive group. As in for the X5 built in America, BMW - Germany. For a Rolls Royce, that would be English and Rolls Royce even though BMW - Germany owns the brand, a Rolls is not a German car.

I can see how it is confusing for those that do not have much experience with the automotive industry, hope this is more clear.

I'm not the one struggling, you are. First, you said it should be based on the country of the parent company. When I pointed out how that would work in a few cases, you changed it to where the cars are designed. Now you're saying it's the parent company of the automobile being manufactured (the brand) not of the automotive group. I've grown tired of this pointless debate as there is no black and white answer to where a car is from these days as it has become so blurred, which is all I pointing out all along.

But wait! Renault owns Nissan, so Nissan is really French.

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Originally posted by sydthesquid:

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Originally posted by Sticky2:

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Originally posted by vinole:
Yeah, and that person included France, which hasn't been imported into the US in 20 years. Hey, tell me how Korea is more deserving than Sweden with all thier glory in racing and high performance vehicles they produce.

Come on, we do have Bugatti. Also, Renault does own Nissan, so we do have a French influence, technically.

Korea does not have a superior pedigree as you mentioned, but to the average person Hyundai's and Kia's are more visible.

I think the way the poll was made highlights how most people see it. Obviously you made your point about how you feel about it, I don't find it surprising.

It's obvious that Erin simply forgot Sweden. You, on the other hand, act as if YOU made the poll, then spout out all this nonsense to make a simple oversight into something more than it is. All because you are such a car guy. Who gives a crap what YOU think is influential? Just because something is missing doesn't mean that you can make up any reason that you want for it being missing, then turn around and use the fact that it is missing is somehow proof your theory is right.

You and your posters of Italian cars have a nice day now, ya hear?

P.S. You can take down the Farrah poster now.

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Originally posted by Sticky2:
I corrected the point incorrectly made that Sweden outsells Italy, France, and England.

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Originally posted by vinole:

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Originally posted by Sticky2:
I corrected the point incorrectly made that Sweden outsells Italy, France, and England.

Hmmm, what you said was "Even though the volume between Volvo/Saab and Jaguar, Lotus, Maserati, Buggatti, Aston Martin, Land Rover, Ferrari, and Lamborghini is close" and yet you still want to go on with this? OK, in an effort to end this tirade and save everyone here more misery, here is the most recent US sales figures by manufacturer.

To sum it up, Volvo & Saab outsold the British and Italian makers 49,378 to 45,959 during the the first five months 2008. For the first five months of 2009, the Brits and Italians outsold Sweden 33,750 to 27,311. So there, we were both right. Now I hope you can give it a rest, and let this thread go back to more fruitful discussion.

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Originally posted by Sticky2:
I said it was close, you said they outsold them. Also, for 2008, you have the figures for the whole year . Your numbers also obviously omit Mini. With Mini included, the numbers are not close. But hey, having a drink, and giving it a rest.

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Originally posted by Sticky2:

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Originally posted by sydthesquid:

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Originally posted by Sticky2:

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Originally posted by vinole:
Yeah, and that person included France, which hasn't been imported into the US in 20 years. Hey, tell me how Korea is more deserving than Sweden with all thier glory in racing and high performance vehicles they produce.

Come on, we do have Bugatti. Also, Renault does own Nissan, so we do have a French influence, technically.

Korea does not have a superior pedigree as you mentioned, but to the average person Hyundai's and Kia's are more visible.

I think the way the poll was made highlights how most people see it. Obviously you made your point about how you feel about it, I don't find it surprising.

It's obvious that Erin simply forgot Sweden. You, on the other hand, act as if YOU made the poll, then spout out all this nonsense to make a simple oversight into something more than it is. All because you are such a car guy. Who gives a crap what YOU think is influential? Just because something is missing doesn't mean that you can make up any reason that you want for it being missing, then turn around and use the fact that it is missing is somehow proof your theory is right.

You and your posters of Italian cars have a nice day now, ya hear?

P.S. You can take down the Farrah poster now.

Farrah poster? That poster is older than I am.

Spouting nonsense? What I did was correct an erroneous post that was not based on accurate information or any supported data whatsoever. Just to jog your memory, so that way you don't just start making up whatever suits your purpose, I corrected the point incorrectly made that Sweden outsells Italy, France, and England. It does not, get it? That led to this little discussion about Sweden which is basically the red headed stepchild of the automotive industry. Exactly, who cares what I think is influential? Does not change the facts. Let me guess, you still don't get it?

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Originally posted by Sticky2:

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Originally posted by vinole:

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Originally posted by Sticky2:
I corrected the point incorrectly made that Sweden outsells Italy, France, and England.

Hmmm, what you said was "Even though the volume between Volvo/Saab and Jaguar, Lotus, Maserati, Buggatti, Aston Martin, Land Rover, Ferrari, and Lamborghini is close" and yet you still want to go on with this? OK, in an effort to end this tirade and save everyone here more misery, here is the most recent US sales figures by manufacturer.

To sum it up, Volvo & Saab outsold the British and Italian makers 49,378 to 45,959 during the the first five months 2008. For the first five months of 2009, the Brits and Italians outsold Sweden 33,750 to 27,311. So there, we were both right. Now I hope you can give it a rest, and let this thread go back to more fruitful discussion.

I said it was close, you said they outsold them. Also, for 2008, you have the figures for the whole year . Your numbers also obviously omit Mini. With Mini included, the numbers are not close. But hey, having a drink, and giving it a rest.

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Originally posted by Pinotlvr:

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Originally posted by Sticky2:

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Originally posted by vinole:

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Originally posted by Sticky2:
I corrected the point incorrectly made that Sweden outsells Italy, France, and England.

Hmmm, what you said was "Even though the volume between Volvo/Saab and Jaguar, Lotus, Maserati, Buggatti, Aston Martin, Land Rover, Ferrari, and Lamborghini is close" and yet you still want to go on with this? OK, in an effort to end this tirade and save everyone here more misery, here is the most recent US sales figures by manufacturer.

To sum it up, Volvo & Saab outsold the British and Italian makers 49,378 to 45,959 during the the first five months 2008. For the first five months of 2009, the Brits and Italians outsold Sweden 33,750 to 27,311. So there, we were both right. Now I hope you can give it a rest, and let this thread go back to more fruitful discussion.

I said it was close, you said they outsold them. Also, for 2008, you have the figures for the whole year . Your numbers also obviously omit Mini. With Mini included, the numbers are not close. But hey, having a drink, and giving it a rest.

Sticky...what's you hangup with Italy? Sure they make exotic high performance cars with no reliability that cost more than the average American makes in a year...so really, how relevant are they except for the niche racing/car enthusiast crowd? Not the average consumer.

Would I buy an Italian car if I could afford it? Hell no...I want some reliability...sorry..and Italians can barely get bowel movements right.

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Originally posted by vinole:

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Originally posted by Sticky2:
I said it was close, you said they outsold them. Also, for 2008, you have the figures for the whole year . Your numbers also obviously omit Mini. With Mini included, the numbers are not close. But hey, having a drink, and giving it a rest.

You originally said it was close, but offered this yesterday - "I corrected the point incorrectly made that Sweden outsells Italy, France, and England. It does not, get it?" They did outsell them.

The numbers DO include Mini, even though they would be considered German under your first two definitions, and it would not be close without them. They also finished DEAD LAST in the JD Power Initial Quality survey that Erin referred to. And before you accuse me of not being able to add, the numbers were updated through June just today and for 08 were Swedes 58,249 to Brits/Italians/French 55,301. Didn't bother with 09 as I'm sure the Brits still lead.

I attribute the 09 turnabout to three things 1) Saab sales fell off a cliff due to GM's announcement they would be spun off, 2) Jaguar sales were down less than others due to many recent new models, and 3) Mini did well thanks to the runup in gas prices. Anyway, let's put this behind us and chill with some nice wine.

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Originally posted by Sticky2:
There is something wrong with these figures as notice the star next to them. It says imported cars only, yet the other import brands don't have this.

Your figures:

2008 Saab: 12,000
2008 Volvo: 46,181


As I understand it, 2008 was a record year for Mini with figures much higher than what that sates. Here is how I am adding it:


Your figures:

2008 Saab: 12,000
2008 Volvo: 46,181

Jaguar: 15,000: http://rumors.automobilemag.co...t-in-2008/index.html
Mini: up 28.6 percent for 2008 to 54,077: http://www.leftlanenews.com/decembe.html

So just Mini by itself, is almost equal to Volvo and Saab from what you provided. I'm not trying to be rude here, just stating the numbers. If you look at the link I provided, it has higher numbers for both Saab and Volvo. Still, the Swedes would be outsold though.

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Originally posted by Pinotlvr:
and Italians can barely get bowel movements right.