There is really no such thing as an "American" car anymore, unless it's a fire truck. Probably fairly true for foreign cars as well.
Globalization in the automotive industry has lead to multiple parts from various countries including Japan, Korea, Brazil, Canada, India, England, France, Germany etc. in many different brands, not to mention "foreign" cars that are manufactured (or at least assembled) in the states.
But what do I know? I only buy million or two million dollars worth of cars every year......
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Apart from the super exotics coming out of Italy, Germany makes the best cars. Specifically, BMWs I find to be where it is at. And Porsches don't suck.
That said, I really do admire Honda/Acura especially for practicality and durability, and while I don't particularly enjoy driving Toyotas, for people for whom the sensation of 'driving' isn't an issue, I understand why Toyota/Lexus can be nice. Still not certain about the mainanence on Mazdas or Nissan/Infiniti, but both seem to be making nice cars from what I read so... I'd deffinitely say Japan is way up there,especially when you factor in value.
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Couldn't vote as I have two cars, not three. Don't know why you left out Sweden, which sells more cars in the US than England, France, and Italy combined.
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If you drive a BMW X series, make sure to pick the US, as it is built in SC and if you drive a MB M series, likewise, as it is built in AL. Same goes for Accord (OH), Camry (KY), and certain Nissan models (TN).
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Originally posted by vinole: If you drive a BMW X series, make sure to pick the US, as it is built in SC and if you drive a MB M series, likewise, as it is built in AL. Same goes for Accord (OH), Camry (KY), and certain Nissan models (TN).
Picky.
My guy mentioned Mazda some made in MI, Toyota in South somewhere.
Also forgot Sweden for all you Saab & Volvo owners
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Originally posted by wineismylife: Don't know if polls allow it here but you likely should've allowed multiple selections. Some of us have more than one car.
Some of us have less than one car
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Originally posted by vinole: Couldn't vote as I have two cars, not three. Don't know why you left out Sweden, which sells more cars in the US than England, France, and Italy combined.
I'm sorry, what statistic are you basing this on?
Saab produced 90,281 cars WORLDWIDE in 2008.
Volvo's sales in 2008 were the lowest since 1996. Volvo sold approximately 75,000 units in the USA in 2008.
Jaguar alone sold 25,000 units in the USA.
Even though the volume between Volvo/Saab and Jaguar, Lotus, Maserati, Buggatti, Aston Martin, Land Rover, Ferrari, and Lamborghini is close, the Swedes make nowhere near the amount of money per vehicle. It really is no comparison, Volvo and Saab are a blip on the radar in comparison.
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Originally posted by vinole: If you drive a BMW X series, make sure to pick the US, as it is built in SC and if you drive a MB M series, likewise, as it is built in AL. Same goes for Accord (OH), Camry (KY), and certain Nissan models (TN).
Cars are built in factories all over the world with parts sourced from companies all over the world. It makes the most sense to simply go with the country of the parent company, BMW Germany, GM America, and so on.
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Originally posted by Sticky2: Even though the volume between Volvo/Saab and Jaguar, Lotus, Maserati, Buggatti, Aston Martin, Land Rover, Ferrari, and Lamborghini is close, the Swedes make nowhere near the amount of money per vehicle. It really is no comparison, Volvo and Saab are a blip on the radar in comparison.
I don't know why you take exception to what I posted as you agreed it's true, as we're talking #'s, not $. (Jaguar and Land Rover are one, so the rest would have to sell 50,000 units not even counting SAAB). Sorry I offended you suggesting to add such a cheap brand. Unfortunately, from your list, only Land Rover makes a vehicle I could purchase that meets our needs for transporting 3 kids plus friends, and I would never buy one as friends who have the LR3 and Range Rover spend an inordinate amount of time in the shop even after the company made all that money from them.
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Originally posted by Sticky2: Cars are built in factories all over the world with parts sourced from companies all over the world. It makes the most sense to simply go with the country of the parent company, BMW Germany, GM America, and so on.
OK, then Jaguar/Land Rover went from being a US car builder to an Indian one, and Chrysler was a German carmaker, now an Italian one.
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Originally posted by Sticky2: Even though the volume between Volvo/Saab and Jaguar, Lotus, Maserati, Buggatti, Aston Martin, Land Rover, Ferrari, and Lamborghini is close, the Swedes make nowhere near the amount of money per vehicle. It really is no comparison, Volvo and Saab are a blip on the radar in comparison.
I don't know why you take exception to what I posted as you agreed it's true, as we're talking #'s, not $. (Jaguar and Land Rover are one, so the rest would have to sell 50,000 units not even counting SAAB). Sorry I offended you suggesting to add such a cheap brand. Unfortunately, from your list, only Land Rover makes a vehicle I could purchase that meets our needs for transporting 3 kids plus friends, and I would never buy one as friends who have the LR3 and Range Rover spend an inordinate amount of time in the shop even after the company made all that money from them.
The numbers for Jaguar were strictly for the Jaguar division, not including Land Rover.
You did not offend me, don't read too much into it. I am providing some supplementary information as you did to the topic at hand.
I understand that Saab and Volvo make cars that are more readily accessibly and are practical. However, from the way you wrote your statement, you were making a point that Sweden should be included and has influence based on sales numbes.
Ferrari alone wields more influence and commands more attention than the entire motoring industry of Sweden. They don't need to sell the same numbers so not surprising to see Italy mentioned. The English as well have more impact so not surprising to see them in the poll either. Plus, wine guys tend to enjoy the finer things, so Italian cars definitely are more intruiging than the Swedes. That is not to say Volvo and Saab should be not represented, they should.
Really, the flaw is the software will not allow the number of options necessary to take into accuont the vast motoring industry.
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Originally posted by Sticky2: Cars are built in factories all over the world with parts sourced from companies all over the world. It makes the most sense to simply go with the country of the parent company, BMW Germany, GM America, and so on.
OK, then Jaguar/Land Rover went from being a US car builder to an Indian one, and Chrysler was a German carmaker, now an Italian one.
Well not exactly, as Jaguars and Land Rovers are not built and designed by Tata in India.
Clearly lines are blurring a bit, but still fairly simple. Jaguar and Land Rover would be considered English, just as Rolls Royce would be considered English and not German.
The BMW X5 is not an American car despite the Carolina production. The same for the Z4, these are German designed vehicles with assembly in the United States.
Chrysler would still be considered American, despite the Fiat cash infusion.
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