Originally posted by ArieS: What to choose, what to choose...
Ha. We can just go to PH's CT account and pick something.
Hey! Pick this!!!
Even though neither of you actually made a wager for the November game, there is a little home game for the Skins against the Cowfairies coming up at the end of the year. Y'all know how to find me!! You can't say I ain't got cojones!!!
PH
I thought our bet was who would have the best record?
Tom Brady a class act? That is beyond comical. He is the biggest crybaby at QB in the NFL. I have seen repeated times when he cries to the refs about being hit hard at times, crying to the refs more then any other QB I see in the game. Considering how the refs side with the Pats in most their games, you would think he would be a little more respectful to them.
Then last year, after the Colts beat them in the AFCC, he did not even go over and congratulate Peyton Manning. Yet every time the Colts lost to the Pats, Manning went over to congratulate Brady.
The Pats do not do stupid celebrations? Wow, you must clearly be looking the other way after Moss gets in the endzone or must have conveniently not seen the excessive taunting and celebrations against the Ravens.
As for the NFC not having a chance, wasn't it a losing Eagle team that nearly beat the Patriots a couple weeks ago? Yeah, I thought so. Maybe a little more evenly officiated game and the Eagles win that one.
Now you mention the Pats are playing hard for 60 minutes and running up the score is not classless. I have a question for you. If the Colts should be up on the Pats by a score of 45 to 21 and the Colts have the ball with only 2 minutes left in the game. The Colts run the 2 minute no huddle offense to get a last minute touchdown and jack their score up to 51 points and then they go for a 2 point conversion to make it 53 points.
Now would that be classless? According to your standards that would be just playing 60 minutes of hard football and not laying down because someones feelings might get hurt.
Originally posted by Dom'n'Vin'sDad: I find the whole "classless" thing quite amusing. Belichick is quite simply making a point - that they don't need cameras to whip somebodys a$$.
As far as Brady, indybob, you have no clue. This is a man who has donated hundreds of thousands of dollars and his MVP prize auto to his high school. He has demonstrated, year after year, what class is.
Oh please. Almost every athlete donates money and does something for charity. I remember when Terell Owens was with the Eagles a writer wrote how he donates alot to charity, and how he is more dedicated to his grandmother then any other NFL player he has ever seen, in helping her out as much as he can. It also mentioned how T.O. spends a lot of time teaching children how to read and assisting schools. But yet he is not "classy" like Brady.
Originally posted by PetiteSyrahFan: Oh please. Almost every athlete donates money and does something for charity. I remember when Terell Owens was with the Eagles a writer wrote how he donates alot to charity, and how he is more dedicated to his grandmother then any other NFL player he has ever seen, in helping her out as much as he can. It also mentioned how T.O. spends a lot of time teaching children how to read and assisting schools. But yet he is not "classy" like Brady.
Keep reading deeper in the thread. You have no idea what you are talking about, and look foolish because of it....
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Originally posted by ArieS: What to choose, what to choose...
Ha. We can just go to PH's CT account and pick something.
Hey! Pick this!!!
Even though neither of you actually made a wager for the November game, there is a little home game for the Skins against the Cowfairies coming up at the end of the year. Y'all know how to find me!! You can't say I ain't got cojones!!!
PH
I thought our bet was who would have the best record?
ArieS, please clarify.
Roger that
Looks like we now have white smoke coming out of the chimney!
The Pats do have a lot of classy guys on their team, I'm a BIG fan of Seau, for one. But, the fact remains that the Pats' two major figureheads, Bellicheat and Brady are about as classless as it gets. Bellicheat, well because he's a boor, and absolutely nothing says classless like "hit and run" Brady.
Classic!
As a Dolphin's fan there is only one thing possibly worse than the Phins going 0-16 AND having the Perfect Season equaled. Losing four Super Bowls in a row like the Bills did would probably be worse, I'd imagine.
We might not have to worry about that "asterisk" being placed after a Pats perfect season (cheaters) if the Colts can nail 'em.
What's the status on Harrison?
Miami: Do you have any "inside info" on what's going on with Miami (other than sucking, of course)? I usually read the Herald online, but have you heard anything else about Cameron's status for next year? I was hoping that you might have some info that I wouldn't see since I don't live there.
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I am not the only one who is calling Brady classless. Perhaps you missed where Skip Bayless came out and slammed Brady as classless for his taunting in the Steeler game and called it just as bad was what Anthony Smith said in the guarenteed win. Mentioned the Patriots are a team lacking class.
Mike Ditka also slammed Brady for his taunting after throwing a TD in the Steeler game and called it completely classless.
Steve Young said a real championship team should be able to brush off comments like what Smith said and not let it get under their skin so much.
Chris Mortensen reported that 4 teams in 2006 turned the Patriots into the NFL for cheating.
Real class team, class coach and class QB. Keep living in your fantasy world.
There's so much here I don't know where to start. Everything you all love to hate about the Pats your hometown teams are doing also. As for the crybaby comment, Brady is at worst tied for first with non other than Peton Manning. They both cry and whine for every call they think they deserve but at least Brady doesn't have a bad habit of throwing his teamates under the bus. You won't find one instance of it out there. As for the congrats after the game last year maybe Indybob can tell us what happened since most of the attention was on the coaches I'd guess someone who was there might know as the cameras don't catch everything. I do know they are actually good friends and that Brady called and congratulated him after his superbowl win.
There were no stupid excessive celebrations against Baltimore or there would have been 15 yard penalties so stop making that up. The Eagles almost beat them, but almost doesn't count. The steelers are much better than the Eagles and they just got beat handily last night but would probably beat all the other NFC teams except Dallas and possibly Green Bay. I stand by my statement about the NFC sucking, whoever comes out of the AFC, be it the Colts or the Pats will beat their NFC opponent, I'll take bets on it. The imaginary scenario that would never happen would only be classless if they indeed went for two. Other than that it's the defenses job to stop them if they don't like it. Boy you have a lot of excuses about the Referees being on the Pats side too. They aren't, they suck both ways. Pats fans are as unhappy with it as you, we just feel it's against us all the time, particularly in the Indy game and in the loss to Denver in the playoffs two years ago.
Indybob, why does it only matter if a team runs it up right now and not three years ago? It's a dishonorable thing now but it was alright a few years ago? How about throwing a 50 yard TD when up by 4 TD's already last night? They started this season beating the Saints 41-10 and Manning played the whole Game throwing a 46 yard TD with 10 minutes left. Is any of that RIGHT NOW enough or does that not count for some reason either? They weren't the only ones yesterday either, Greenbay was going downfield late in the game up big too. I'm not saying the Pats don't do it, I'm saying everyone who can does it.
As for the baby situation when Bridgit knew Tom didn't want to get married or have kids yet she stopped taking her birth controll and got pregnant without his knowledge or consent. How does that make Brady classless exactly? He should just be trapped like that and stay with her or he has no class? For all we know she got exactly what she wanted, pregnant and moving on happily with her life as a single mother. She obviously doesn't have a problem with Tom's situaton because he visits whenever he wants and she gave the child his name for a middle name. If everyone is happy with their situation how does that lack class?
You all hate the Patriots, especially "Bellicheat". That's cute for a second grader to say but for all of you to sit around and think your teams are honerable and classy and the Pats aren't, you're full of crap. All the teams cheat or find an edge or whatever you call it. Other teams have lost draft picks, other teams are fined and reprimanded for oh, pumping in artificially loud crowd noise. Sound familiar to anyone in Indy? You all hate the coach, maybe rightfully so, but the rest of the team is a class act. If the only thing you have to fall back on is a child out of wedlock for one person, and you don't even know what is up with that situation, you're reaching. Success breed's envy, jealousy and hatred. You all are proving it with your unfounded irrational and sometimes just made up arguments.
Maybe you didn't know that Smith was still taunting Brady during warmups from midfield, that's why after he got burned Brady said something to him in the end zone, probably along the lines of shut the f up now. He wasn't upset about the comments earlier in the week. He's not allowed to respond without being classless. Are we all classless here for responding to eachothers comments?
I make no claims about Bellichick having class. I completely understand after reading this board. Everyone is jealous of the Pats and these things only matter when they do it, not when your team does it.
Originally posted by Icewino: Maybe you didn't know that Smith was taunting Brady during warmups from midfield, that's why after he got burned Brady said something to him. Not for the comments earlier in the week.
I make no claims about Bellichick having class.
And you were privy to what was said between these two on the field prior to the game? I have not seen ANY qb track down a defensive back and get in his face after a td pass like Brady did. What did Brady tell Smith when he got in his face? Probably something like you are toast now and will be burnt toast by game's end.
The one thing for the Pats to worry about playing two divisional rivals, albeit the lowly Jets and even worse Dolphins, is that they have history and the lowly opponents can be physical and perhaps just blitze EVERY down to get to, touch, knock down, or sack Brady. Who knows, they could adapt the style of play of the Pats as earlier in the season, Woolfolk was fined for a flagrant penalty for a low blow on Bill's QB as he lunged toward his target with his ELBOW extended.
The Pats will likely enter the play-offs undefeated. Then it REALLY gets interesting.
No I obviously wasn't privy. Brady does an interview on the Boston sports station the following morning after every game. He's surprisingly forthcomming and down to earth, talks about everything from the games to changing his kids diapers in the bye week. Today he said that's why he said something to Smith, not the earlier comments. He tried ignoring him and the guy wouldn't shut up and stop yelling at him. Surprising non of the vetrans told the kid to shut it. He also said they didn't have enough bleeps for him to repeat what he said.
Listen for yourself if you want to. If you actually knew anything about this team or listened to some of their interviews you wouldn't hate them. At the same time it gives me someone outside of my area to discuss things with and get opposing views, so hate away.
MiamiAtty, are you actually serious? Bashing the Bills? How many Super Bowls has Miami been to in the past 20 years? Exactly. Stop living in the past man. Look on the bright side, season tickets next year to your beloved fins should be cheaper than a high school football game. Rightfully so, considering most high school teams could beat the fins this year.
marcb7...Yes, I was very serious. It must be VERY humiliating to be the brides maid for four straight years. Maybe you get used to losing after a while and it gets better. (OK NOW I'm bashing them).
Whether 20 years or 30, it makes no difference. The Phins have been to more Super Bowls than the Bills, and even managed to win a couple of them. Yes, the Phins are about as bad a team as I've ever seen right now. No news here.
Keeno...I've been avoiding the Herald sports section for a while, but I'll keep you posted if I hear anything. I don't believe this is Cam's fault though.
Listen for yourself if you want to. If you actually knew anything about this team or listened to some of their interviews you wouldn't hate them. At the same time it gives me someone outside of my area to discuss things with and get opposing views, so hate away.
I NEVER mentioned the word HATE in any way. Brady is much too smart to mention ANYTHING in public much less a weekly radio broadcast, get real. Why do you use the word "hate" so often and so easily?
My history is the play-off game with the Raiders in 2001. In the words of Bryan Cox, then a Patriot linebacker, "they just got @ucked", stated on a national radio program. If there REALLY was a tuck rule, a qb could pump, and run around all day long without bringing the ball in a tuck position and NEVER fumble. That game was a gift to the Patriots, admitted by one of their own players.
You did not mention that Brady bumped helmets with Smith after the td reception. If Smith had bumped Brady, who knows what would have happened.
In a way, this game could be a wake up call for ANY team playing the Patriots as they will have to be playing as well as possible and with the Patriots' mentality of taking all or nothing.
It's obvious you support your team, just as anyone else on these boards does. Personally, I'm hoping that the Chargers get on a roll, and bust up both NE and the Colts in the playoffs, but that's probably not in the cards.
As far as running up the score, we're talking about this season, not the Colts of 2004, or the 49ers of 1994/5, or the Rams of the late 90s. . .
When to call TD plays in the last minutes of a game are a judgement call. You have to size up the opponent and their potential. A few years ago, the Colts scored 21 points in less than the final four minutes to send to overtime, and ultimately beat the defending Superbowl champs (Bucs). It was freaky to watch, and with that in mind, if the Bucs would have scored a TD with five minutes to play, if would have definately not been "pouring it on."
About the baby mama situation, what's needed to be said has been said.
I'm getting bored with this topic (until next week of course).
GO BOLTS, and go colts!
-IB
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Originally posted by MiamiAtty: I don't believe this is Cam's fault though.
I'm inclined to agree with you based on all the injuries the team has suffered, but he has made some real boneheaded calls that have cost us the chance to win some games. Did you read the report that he was letting Mularkey call the plays in the Jets game? I also do not understand why he benched Beck in favor of Lemon. We need to figure out what Beck can do.
Watching Brees torch the Falcons last night made me wish we had snagged him when he was a free agent. Just once, I want some of the Phins's offseason moves to pan out. Like the saying goes, "If it wasn't for bad luck, we wouldn't have any luck at all."
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For the record I am not a Bills fan, strictly NE Pats here (even when they sucked like Miami). I just found it funny that you compared Miami's horrible year to the Bill's horrible super bowl performance. I think Miami would much rather make it to the super bowl and lose than have a season like they are going through now. But thats my opinion.
marcb7...c'mon now...read my post again. I said that losing FOUR Super Bowls could be worse than having ONE dismal season.
Having an 0-13 start is depressing, but if Miami lost four Super Bowls in a ROW, I'd "sports-cry" for the next decade. No, I don't have time for that kind of pain.
Would we rather go to a SB and lose, than to lose every game? Sure, but when did I say I wouldn't?
Keeno...I swear I was thinking the EXACT same thing abut Brees last night. We have "QB envy"
Beck had a decent start 3 games ago. The second game, well, he played like a rookie. He continued the slide early in the last game when Lemon got the nod.
I'm inclined to agree with you about letting him stay in there. I think Cam is desperate for a win though, and wants the very best players out there right now. He had such great success in SD, so I also find it odd that he wasn't calling all of the plays. Maybe they are so vanilla it doesn't really matter.
I'm not 'phins hater...but I am rooting for them to unseat the '76 Bucs as the worst team ever, the heck...lets shoot for 0-26 over a two year period while we are at it.
As poorly as the fan base down there supports their teams, I guess they deserve it. I always loved how WQAM was year round Dolphins/Hurricanes talk, yet they couldn't sellout all the games.
Originally posted by PetiteSyrahFan: Dom'n'Vins dad,
I am not the only one who is calling Brady classless. Perhaps you missed where Skip Bayless came out and slammed Brady as classless for his taunting in the Steeler game and called it just as bad was what Anthony Smith said in the guarenteed win. Mentioned the Patriots are a team lacking class.
Mike Ditka also slammed Brady for his taunting after throwing a TD in the Steeler game and called it completely classless.
Steve Young said a real championship team should be able to brush off comments like what Smith said and not let it get under their skin so much.
Chris Mortensen reported that 4 teams in 2006 turned the Patriots into the NFL for cheating.
Real class team, class coach and class QB. Keep living in your fantasy world.
PSF -
Fantasy world? Good grief. I am a 49'er fan - not a Pats fan.
If Skip Bayless is your barometer of what is class and what isn't - then you truly have no hope, and are more foolish than I even thought.
Let's see. An athlete runs off at the mouth, and the other team makes said athlete look like a moron (i.e. Anthony Smith - and don't think that flea-flicker wasn't put in just for him). Did you not see the Steelers go after Brady? He simply responded.
Now how about Ditka? Classy for throwing gum at fans who were taunting him? Or do you not know of the incident at Candlestick?
As for what Young said, I think the Pats did a good job of brushing it off. They beat the crap out of the Steelers. I don't know if there is a better way to do it.
As for Belichick, please tell me where I have said that he has class? You can't because I haven't. Although I do think his comment after the game about Smith was quite amusing - "He's just not very good."
So, next time, you might want to have a bit of a clue before you post nonsense....
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If I misunderstood what you meant I apologize, but for a NE fan for the past 25 yrs I know pain as much as the next guy. Before the last 3 championships, I was elated when the Pats made it to the super bowl, although they got pounded and it was very depressing, it still gave me hope. I would rather have that than a season like alot of the teams (miami at the top of the list) in the NFL are having this year, thats my point.
I do support my team and have fun discussing it here. It's not life or death, it's football so it's easy to get into it with others who obviously see things much differently than I do.
Juicy, I'm not hating anybody here. I even like the Colts. Stating a fact that all but about 6 teams in this league are mediocre at best isnt hating them. Everyone else started calling the Pats a classless group and a bunch of cheaters, I never called anyone elses teams a classless bunch. I'm simply saying that every team out there does all the same things people dislike about the Pats. Plenty of people on the board here "hate" the Patriots and wrote it word for word here. "Hate" is the word they used. PSF for one which is fine, it's a free country.
Brady didn't headbut Smith either, go watch the tape. He got "checked" from behind by a linebacker I believe while he was up in Smiths face, which probably should have been a personal foul for the contact but whatever, the refs are all on the Pats side right? Go watch the replay again.
Indybob, serious question here, since the past is the past and either doesn't count or no longer matters to you and wont even be discussed or commented on. In the present, what do you call what the Colts did to Baltimore Sunday night in the 3rd quarter up by 4 TD's and throwing a 50 yard one to add on? It wasn't a short pass with broken tackles, it was a bomb. You haven't commented on that yet, and I'm interested to hear your take, because to me Baltimore is not capeable of scoring 5 TD's, never mind in 25 minutes and at the same time holding Indy scoreless for the rest of the game. They haven't scored 5 TD's in an entire game since October 2006. To me, that's running it up, to you apparently it's not but I'd like to hear what you, or others, think of that. I know NFL teams don't pull their starters until the 4th quarter, but if you're up big on a horrible, tired, injury riddled team that cannot possible come back and you do anything but basically run out that clock with runs or dump passes just to keep the chains moving that is running it up in my book, and good for them because I do "hate" most of the past and present loudmouth, murdering, coke dealing players on that team.
Fantasy world? Good grief. I am a 49'er fan - not a Pats fan.
49er fan. That explains alot right there. But I admire your high pain threshold.
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If Skip Bayless is your barometer of what is class and what isn't - then you truly have no hope, and are more foolish than I even thought.
Let's see. An athlete runs off at the mouth, and the other team makes said athlete look like a moron (i.e. Anthony Smith - and don't think that flea-flicker wasn't put in just for him). Did you not see the Steelers go after Brady? He simply responded.
Now how about Ditka? Classy for throwing gum at fans who were taunting him? Or do you not know of the incident at Candlestick?
As for what Young said, I think the Pats did a good job of brushing it off. They beat the crap out of the Steelers. I don't know if there is a better way to do it.
As for Belichick, please tell me where I have said that he has class? You can't because I haven't. Although I do think his comment after the game about Smith was quite amusing - "He's just not very good."
So, next time, you might want to have a bit of a clue before you post nonsense....
The above are not exactly barometers, but I am just pointing out that there are people who have played the game and high profile sports writers that are mentioning these things as well. Call it nonsense all you want, but hey, next time you see Young, Ditka or someone like that who has commented on this, go tell them they are clueless and talking a bunch of nonsense as well. See what that gets you from them, probably a big laugh and a few insults.
