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Pryor is a great athlete and I agree at USC would be really something.

One caveat: in order to play QB at USC, one must be able to make plays from the pocket. Pryor has yet to demonstrate that he can consistently do such.[/QUOTE]

Well said Gig - you are more kind than I. My thought after reading Deryl1's post?

You wouldn't see much, cause Pryor wouldn't be the starter at SC. Not a polished-enough thrower and poor decision-making. He and Mustain would be comparing clipboards.[/QUOTE]

Maybe right. I was trying to be kind. Any one of those kids would be great on that team.

It was a good point that they really fell apart in that last 1 1/2 minutes and Pryor looked like he didn't know how to run a 2 min drill. They were in shock. I think that's part of what I was referring to that the difference in the end was more than just having better athletes. It would have been understandable for USC to fall apart mentally 2nd and 19 on their 5 with 5 minutes to play or whatever. But they didn't, they stepped up and performed. If they had fallen apart though, they could not have argued for a place in the national championship game. Last year they mentally fell apart against Oregon State, and they paid the price. Same year before that against Stanford (although Carroll made mistakes too)IMHO. We'll find out if they are mentally tougher all year this time.

I guess the question is, since Florida fell apart against Ole Miss last year, why didn't they have to pay the price? And even more of the same question about OSU.

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Originally posted by jburman82:


I still think ND finishes with only one loss.

In other words...you are picking ND against USC?

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Originally posted by Deryl1:

I guess the question is, since Florida fell apart against Ole Miss last year, why didn't they have to pay the price? And even more of the same question about OSU.

Despite FSU and Miami being down, I think FL got extra points for the non-con schedule last year, in addition to the typically tough SEC schedule. At the end, FL still needed help from Iowa to keep Penn State from being undefeated.

That being said...FL must run the table this year since the SEC East (GA and TN) don't look strong and Charleston Southern, Troy and FIU don't win them any extra points for non-con schedule. Not to mention, FSU hasn't exactly convinced me that they are elite either.

We are in the same situation that USC and Penn State were last year - one loss and we are out of it.

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Originally posted by Deryl1:
...I guess the question is, since Florida fell apart against Ole Miss last year, why didn't they have to pay the price? And even more of the same question about OSU.

because the PAC-10 and BIG TEN dont have conf champ games, and even if they did the voters wouldnt rate the wins as highly as the SEC or BIG-12 in my opinion

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Originally posted by kumazam:
because the PAC-10 and BIG TEN dont have conf champ games, and even if they did the voters wouldnt rate the wins as highly as the SEC or BIG-12 in my opinion

I'm on record many times saying that the PAC-10 doesn't need a conference title game since you play all nine other teams each year.

The Big 10 does not and thus its always possible the 2 best teams don't play each other.

Florida's win against Alabama though...was the fuel for their ticket to the BCS NC game though.

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Originally posted by Pinotlvr:

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Originally posted by jburman82:


I still think ND finishes with only one loss.

In other words...you are picking ND against USC?

Yep

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Originally posted by Pinotlvr:

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Originally posted by Deryl1:

I guess the question is, since Florida fell apart against Ole Miss last year, why didn't they have to pay the price? And even more of the same question about OSU.

Despite FSU and Miami being down, I think FL got extra points for the non-con schedule last year, in addition to the typically tough SEC schedule. At the end, FL still needed help from Iowa to keep Penn State from being undefeated.

So if Iowa had not beaten Penn, they would have been in the national championship game, even though as we ultimately learned they weren't that good when faced with a really good team. That was a joke.

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Originally posted by Deryl1:

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Originally posted by Pinotlvr:

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Originally posted by Deryl1:

I guess the question is, since Florida fell apart against Ole Miss last year, why didn't they have to pay the price? And even more of the same question about OSU.

Despite FSU and Miami being down, I think FL got extra points for the non-con schedule last year, in addition to the typically tough SEC schedule. At the end, FL still needed help from Iowa to keep Penn State from being undefeated.

So if Iowa had not beaten Penn, they would have been in the national championship game, even though as we ultimately learned they weren't that good when faced with a really good team. That was a joke.

I'm not saying it would have been right...but they would have been there. I can't talk bad about PSU around the house though...being married to one

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Originally posted by Pinotlvr:

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Originally posted by Deryl1:

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Originally posted by Pinotlvr:

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Originally posted by Deryl1:

I guess the question is, since Florida fell apart against Ole Miss last year, why didn't they have to pay the price? And even more of the same question about OSU.

Despite FSU and Miami being down, I think FL got extra points for the non-con schedule last year, in addition to the typically tough SEC schedule. At the end, FL still needed help from Iowa to keep Penn State from being undefeated.

So if Iowa had not beaten Penn, they would have been in the national championship game, even though as we ultimately learned they weren't that good when faced with a really good team. That was a joke.

I'm not saying it would have been right...but they would have been there. I can't talk bad about PSU around the house though...being married to one

The reason USC could not recover rank after the Oregon State loss is that they didn't have anyone else "good" to beat the rest of the season, unlike Penn State who had to "survive" the "tough" Big 10. Given what we all know happened post-season we got a good illustration of what BS that was.

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Originally posted by Deryl1:

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Originally posted by Pinotlvr:

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Originally posted by Deryl1:

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Originally posted by Pinotlvr:

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Originally posted by Deryl1:

I guess the question is, since Florida fell apart against Ole Miss last year, why didn't they have to pay the price? And even more of the same question about OSU.

Despite FSU and Miami being down, I think FL got extra points for the non-con schedule last year, in addition to the typically tough SEC schedule. At the end, FL still needed help from Iowa to keep Penn State from being undefeated.

So if Iowa had not beaten Penn, they would have been in the national championship game, even though as we ultimately learned they weren't that good when faced with a really good team. That was a joke.

I'm not saying it would have been right...but they would have been there. I can't talk bad about PSU around the house though...being married to one

The reason USC could not recover rank after the Oregon State loss is that they didn't have anyone else "good" to beat the rest of the season, unlike Penn State who had to "survive" the "tough" Big 10. Given what we all know happened post-season we got a good illustration of what BS that was.

The Big 10 is tough?

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Originally posted by Pinotlvr:

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Originally posted by jburman82:


I still think ND finishes with only one loss.

In other words...you are picking ND against USC?

Yep

How is the crack in Jupiter Florida?

GA, only the finest here!

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Originally posted by Pinotlvr:
...I'm on record many times saying that the PAC-10 doesn't need a conference title game since you play all nine other teams each year.

The Big 10 does not and thus its always possible the 2 best teams don't play each other.

Florida's win against Alabama though...was the fuel for their ticket to the BCS NC game though.

your last comment is key to my point... its no secret the polls favor early losses and late season big wins. conference championships help a 1 loss team make a BCS bowl or the National Championship game if they're riding the line... but again to my point, i dont know how much love the polls would give USC for beating Oregon again, or Penn State beating Ohio St again

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Originally posted by MiamiWineNovice:

...Second, Tressel completely mismanaged the fourth quarter of that game. Further, having a junior QB who can't run a 2 minute drill is extremely inadequate.
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Also, at least this shuts up Lou Holtz. I can't listen to this guy ballshine ND anymore.

First, I agree with criticisms of Tressel's management of
the end of the first quarter, and I'll add the end of the first half; USC should never have even had their final possession of the first half, which they turned into 3 points.

Second, FYI, Pryor is a sophomore, not a junior. He was a true freshman last year. And yes, he's got a long way to go in his personal development.

Third, though it seems like heresy to my fellow Buckeye fans, I was genuinely rooting for Michigan. On the other hand, you don't think this loss is truly going shut up Lou Holtz, do you?

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Originally posted by MiamiWineNovice:

...Second, Tressel completely mismanaged the fourth quarter of that game. Further, having a junior QB who can't run a 2 minute drill is extremely inadequate.
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Also, at least this shuts up Lou Holtz. I can't listen to this guy ballshine ND anymore.

First, I agree with criticisms of Tressel's management of
the end of the first quarter, and I'll add the end of the first half; USC should never have even had their final possession of the first half, which they turned into 3 points.

Second, FYI, Pryor is a sophomore, not a junior. He was a true freshman last year. And yes, he's got a long way to go in his personal development.

Third, though it seems like heresy to my fellow Buckeye fans, I was genuinely rooting for Michigan. On the other hand, you don't think this loss is truly going shut up Lou Holtz, do you?

There no problem with Buckeye fans rooting for Michigan in the game against ND. I was pulling for the Maize and Blue too and I'm a huge Buckeye fan.

My Hawkeyes looked a little better against Iowa State. It's still gonna be a long year for the big ten again as they still struggle with mac teams on their non conference schedule.

I still can't believe there are no other posts about the game of the weekend, my Toledo Sprockets over the CU Buffs. I think you all get too distracted by the media hype to realize what is REALLY important in life.

Moo

Point well taken!

This is my only year of living here that Buffs fans are actually impatiently awaiting basketball season.

Can anyone name any examples, in sports, of where arrogant nepotism turn out good?

I finally got to watch the USC/OSU game the other night (I had to work game night - thank God for the DVR). A couple of observations:

1) The defense performed better than I expected. I know the secondary was going to be solid, but the linebackes played really well. Galippo is a stud. I wish that Everson Griffin would show up more consistently. He was a non-factor. This group isn't as good as last year's D, but it will keep them in games if the offense struggles.
2) So far, Barkely's performance reminds me of Leinart's first year. In fact, the OSU game reminded me of Leinart's first game against Auburn. Barkley has a much better arm and moves better than Leinart. Hopefully, he will continue to mature and progress as the year goes on (just like Leinart in his first season).
3) So far the O-line has lived up to it's billing. OSU played the run well early, but looked winded during the second half. They played a lot better than the Chargers O-line for sure.
4) Tressel can't catch a break. He gets criticized when he is too conservative. But he also took a lot of flak for not sitting on the ball at the end of the first half. He reminds me of Marty Schottenheimer.
5) OSU is a pretty good team. They will probably be in the top 10 by the end of the year (and probably deserve it).

Now on to week 3 and Washington. It looks like Barkley is still unable to throw and Corp has been taking reps with the first team. It will be interesting to see what happens if Corp performs really well against UDub. Fight On!

NCAA President Myles Brand has passed away after a fight with pancreatic cancer. A current EVP and two university presidents are considered the top candidates to replace him. I would like to see some new blood instead of continuing with the old guard, and hopefully a change in direction for this organization as I believe many would agree is needed.

I guess Pete knew what he was doing when he named Barkley the starter. Good grief.

Big Bummer Gigond Ass. Looks like your season is over. Pete Carroll knows what he's doing. He needed his Freshman quarterback.

By the way, Northern Illinois 28 - Purdue 21.

Heartbreaking loss for Nebraska at V. Tech

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Originally posted by Sandy Fitzgerald:
This is my only year of living here that Buffs fans are actually impatiently awaiting basketball season.

Can anyone name any examples, in sports, of where arrogant nepotism turn out good?

I hope the coach's son is a senior. The sooner he is gone, the better your chances of putting a good team together. What a mess. At least they beat Wyoming.