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Originally posted by Spiral:
By the way, Northern Illinois 28 - Purdue 21.

And the Purdue team I watched play Oregon was very much a "for real" team. Big (damn big!), strong, poised, and a team with lots of talent, especially their running back (whose name I can't recall). Very surprised to see them lose today, though NIU isn't a "pushover" team by any means.

Great weekend of football so far, what with USC losing at Washington, Tennessee putting up a good fight against Florida, Florida State beating up BYU (so far), Minnesota making a GREAT game of it against Cal, Iowa putting the wood to Arizona (have a good night, mplswineguy!), Oregon beating #18 Utah

... and Montana beating Portland State.

Looks like it's gonna be one of those years. If Ohio State had managed the clock better in their game against USC, USC would now have TWO losses. Unthinkable. Wow.

How funny...the VERY moment I saw Washington kick the FG, I thought Stickman would post, and must also admit, I thought about GA.

FSU redeemed themselves with a 54-28 pounding of #7 BYU at Provo, ending their 17 game home win streak. All I heard all week is how bad FSU's pass defense is (which is true), but they got 3 picks and scored 24 points off of 4 turnovers (FSU had none). I thought FSU would be able to score against BYU and they did. FSU scored on every possession except one. Never expected to score that many points after OU only got 13 against them at home. A good day for the ACC as VT also beat Nebraska.

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Originally posted by vinole:
FSU redeemed themselves with a 54-28 pounding of #7 BYU at Provo, ending their 17 game home win streak. All I heard all week is how bad FSU's pass defense is (which is true), but they got 3 picks and scored 24 points off of 4 turnovers (FSU had none). I thought FSU would be able to score against BYU and they did. FSU scored on every possession except one. Never expected to score that many points after OU only got 13 against them at home.

First... Dallas is NOT home for OU, and our QB was hurt you know in the first half.

You have no idea how much I wish the game would have been in Norman. Stoops is 62-2 at home against non conference teams.

Congrats to FSU.

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Originally posted by vinole:
FSU redeemed themselves with a 54-28 pounding of #7 BYU at Provo, ending their 17 game home win streak. All I heard all week is how bad FSU's pass defense is (which is true), but they got 3 picks and scored 24 points off of 4 turnovers (FSU had none). I thought FSU would be able to score against BYU and they did. FSU scored on every possession except one. Never expected to score that many points after OU only got 13 against them at home. A good day for the ACC as VT also beat Nebraska.

vinole-

I did not see the BYU-FSU game, but I was at a company function where a co-worker was following it closely (BYU fan). From what I gathered, BYU made too many mistakes. However, many of those mistakes were courtesy of an FSU team with superior athletic ability.

BYU deserved to win against OU. They were the better team on the field that day. The same, apparently, can't be said against the Seminoles.

Still going through Kubler-Ross stages. Bargaining didn't work. Right now I am angry.

If Micheal Floyd is out for the year I take bakc everything I said about ND. They will still win a lot of games but they wont beat USC and will lose at least one other game.

As for my Noles, GREAT NIGHT!!!!!! It was fun to be a seminole fan again. That was an old fashioned butt whipping. O looked fantastic and D looked solid enough. I was like Vinole, though we could score but our weakness is pass D and thought they would score a bunch too.

USC-why is anyone suprised? They lose one pac-10 road game to an unranked oppentent every year. What I found hilarious was Herbstreet had been saying Wash could pull off the upset all week long but got pressured into picking USC on Gameday.

Herbstreet is a tool.

Was watching Sports Reporters this morning and there was a discussion on what has become the annual ritchual of explaining a USC loss to a poor sister of the Pac 10. The point was that players come and go, and even assistant coaches, but that Pete Carroll was the constant and the losses have to be tied to him. Not trying to bash USC while they're down as they have certainly had a much better decade than my Noles, just want to ask the many USC fans their opinion. What I see in Pete Carroll is that he is a very laid back guy that likes his players to have fun. The question is does that translate to a lack of practice and preparation intensity for some of the early season "show up" games and lead to this trait of losses that is now well established?

What we learned:

Gators are not as good as hype; Tennessee executed a good game plan and gave Gators a good test. UF needs to improve or chances of repeating are gone.

SEC may not have a down year after all. Bama looks to be best team in country at present. SEC should have 4 in top 8 this week.

Future UF opponents can play including LSU, Georgia and FSU.

BCS crashers reduced due to Utah and BYU losses.

Looks to be another wild season.

Off to Ireland for a week.

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Originally posted by vinole:
Was watching Sports Reporters this morning and there was a discussion on what has become the annual ritchual of explaining a USC loss to a poor sister of the Pac 10. The point was that players come and go, and even assistant coaches, but that Pete Carroll was the constant and the losses have to be tied to him. Not trying to bash USC while they're down as they have certainly had a much better decade than my Noles, just want to ask the many USC fans their opinion. What I see in Pete Carroll is that he is a very laid back guy that likes his players to have fun. The question is does that translate to a lack of practice and preparation intensity for some of the early season "show up" games and lead to this trait of losses that is now well established?

vinole-

Here is a post of mine from earlier in this thread:

I also believe that (I will get some backlash for this comment) Pete Carroll is overrated as a football coach. He is a great recruiter, and, seemingly, a nice guy, but not a great coach. He has largely benefited from great assistant coaches during his tenure at USC, not to mention the best talent in the country, year after year. He seems to lose 1-2 games every year that he has no business losing, and I believe that it is because he doesn't properly prepare (motivate) his teams to play the entire season. He will have to do more than ever, this year, to have a successful season. Two new coordinators, a true-freshman QB, and a very challenging schedule will be more than he can handle.

In a back and forth game in College Park, my Middle Tennessee Blue Raiders beat Maryland for the second year in a row.

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Originally posted by vinole:

Not trying to bash USC while they're down as they have certainly had a much better decade than my Noles,

This made me think about the decade as we are now near the end of it. ( how is that possible?)

Most wins of the 2000's. (current)

1. Oklahoma...102
2. Texas...97
3. USC...93
4. The Ohio State...91
5. Georgia...90
6. LSU...90
7. Virgina Tech...89
8. Florida...87
9. Miami...83
10. Louisville...79

Where oh where is Notre Dame?

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Originally posted by vinole:
FSU redeemed themselves with a 54-28 pounding of #7 BYU at Provo, ending their 17 game home win streak. All I heard all week is how bad FSU's pass defense is (which is true), but they got 3 picks and scored 24 points off of 4 turnovers (FSU had none). I thought FSU would be able to score against BYU and they did. FSU scored on every possession except one. Never expected to score that many points after OU only got 13 against them at home.

First... Dallas is NOT home for OU, and our QB was hurt you know in the first half.

You have no idea how much I wish the game would have been in Norman. Stoops is 62-2 at home against non conference teams.

Congrats to FSU.

No edit function.

Not sure why I said 62-2 non-conference. Stoops is 62-2 overall at home since he took over at OU.

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Originally posted by wine+art:

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Originally posted by wine+art:

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Originally posted by vinole:
FSU redeemed themselves with a 54-28 pounding of #7 BYU at Provo, ending their 17 game home win streak. All I heard all week is how bad FSU's pass defense is (which is true), but they got 3 picks and scored 24 points off of 4 turnovers (FSU had none). I thought FSU would be able to score against BYU and they did. FSU scored on every possession except one. Never expected to score that many points after OU only got 13 against them at home.

First... Dallas is NOT home for OU, and our QB was hurt you know in the first half.

You have no idea how much I wish the game would have been in Norman. Stoops is 62-2 at home against non conference teams.

Congrats to FSU.

No edit function.

Not sure why I said 62-2 non-conference. Stoops is 62-2 overall at home since he took over at OU.

Yes, but what is his (Stoops) record in BCS Bowl games?

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Originally posted by wine+art:

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Originally posted by vinole:

Not trying to bash USC while they're down as they have certainly had a much better decade than my Noles,

This made me think about the decade as we are now near the end of it. ( how is that possible?)

Most wins of the 2000's. (current)

1. Oklahoma...102
2. Texas...97
3. USC...93
4. The Ohio State...91
5. Georgia...90
6. LSU...90
7. Virgina Tech...89
8. Florida...87
9. Miami...83
10. Louisville...79

Where oh where is Notre Dame?

ND made the Ty Willingham mistake. That has been rectified. What is suprising is these win totals show 9 wins a year makes you a top program for the decade.

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ND made the Ty Willingham mistake. That has been rectified. What is suprising is these win totals show 9 wins a year makes you a top program for the decade.

Are you sure? ND had the two worse years back to back ever in their history under the self proclaimed genius Charlie.... which I just loved!

I'm going to the USC vs. ND game this year. The Trojans better not disappoint.

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Originally posted by wine+art:

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Originally posted by jburman82:


ND made the Ty Willingham mistake. That has been rectified. What is suprising is these win totals show 9 wins a year makes you a top program for the decade.

Are you sure? ND had the two worse years back to back ever in their history under the self proclaimed genius Charlie.... which I just loved!

I'm going to the USC vs. ND game this year. The Trojans better not disappoint.

The ND alumns have been struggling, for some time now, to find a way out of that ridiculous contract they gave him. After all, his best win, during his time there, was a loss to USC.

Dammit!

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Originally posted by wine+art:

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Originally posted by jburman82:


ND made the Ty Willingham mistake. That has been rectified. What is suprising is these win totals show 9 wins a year makes you a top program for the decade.

Are you sure? ND had the two worse years back to back ever in their history under the self proclaimed genius Charlie.... which I just loved!

I'm going to the USC vs. ND game this year. The Trojans better not disappoint.

Those were also the years when the Seniors and Juniors were Ty's last two recruiting classes. Ty quit recruiting and started golfing after his first year. Ask the UW fans here how hard he works at recuiting. The man is a fraud. In his last two years he recruited 3 o-lineman combined! You cant win with that. Charlie took the bullet for Ty's failings. USC lucked out with Floyd being out for the year.

Gig, his best win was last years thumping of Hawaii. It snapped a very long bowl victory drought

Also, if the school wanted, it could easily buy Weis out. Yeah its alot of money, but come on, ND has plenty of cash and very rich boosters who would pay the buyout any way.

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Originally posted by wine+art:

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Originally posted by wine+art:

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Originally posted by vinole:
FSU redeemed themselves with a 54-28 pounding of #7 BYU at Provo, ending their 17 game home win streak. All I heard all week is how bad FSU's pass defense is (which is true), but they got 3 picks and scored 24 points off of 4 turnovers (FSU had none). I thought FSU would be able to score against BYU and they did. FSU scored on every possession except one. Never expected to score that many points after OU only got 13 against them at home.

First... Dallas is NOT home for OU, and our QB was hurt you know in the first half.

You have no idea how much I wish the game would have been in Norman. Stoops is 62-2 at home against non conference teams.

Congrats to FSU.

No edit function.

Not sure why I said 62-2 non-conference. Stoops is 62-2 overall at home since he took over at OU.

i remember when tcu went up there and knocked you guys off

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Originally posted by vinole:
Was watching Sports Reporters this morning and there was a discussion on what has become the annual ritchual of explaining a USC loss to a poor sister of the Pac 10. The point was that players come and go, and even assistant coaches, but that Pete Carroll was the constant and the losses have to be tied to him. Not trying to bash USC while they're down as they have certainly had a much better decade than my Noles, just want to ask the many USC fans their opinion. What I see in Pete Carroll is that he is a very laid back guy that likes his players to have fun. The question is does that translate to a lack of practice and preparation intensity for some of the early season "show up" games and lead to this trait of losses that is now well established?

This USC habit is very frustrating and you do have to look at the coaching. But let's not forget how many huge upsets there were last year. Didn't we have like 4 consecutive weeks that the #1 team was beaten? UF/Miss and UT/TT come to mind. This has been a common phenomenon everywhere.

I recall hearing a quote last year of Purdue's long time coach who had just announced he was retiring (sorry I don't recall his name). His lament that the players today do not have the emotional commitment that players used to have, and the coach just can't rely on them showing up every week. He talked about how they are too busy either looking forward to the NFL, or waving to their families in the stands.

As far as USC is concerned, it seems few nationally can allow that maybe it has something to do with the competition in the Pac 10 being tough.

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Originally posted by vinole:
Was watching Sports Reporters this morning and there was a discussion on what has become the annual ritchual of explaining a USC loss to a poor sister of the Pac 10. The point was that players come and go, and even assistant coaches, but that Pete Carroll was the constant and the losses have to be tied to him. Not trying to bash USC while they're down as they have certainly had a much better decade than my Noles, just want to ask the many USC fans their opinion. What I see in Pete Carroll is that he is a very laid back guy that likes his players to have fun. The question is does that translate to a lack of practice and preparation intensity for some of the early season "show up" games and lead to this trait of losses that is now well established?

vinole-

Here is a post of mine from earlier in this thread:

I also believe that (I will get some backlash for this comment) Pete Carroll is overrated as a football coach. He is a great recruiter, and, seemingly, a nice guy, but not a great coach. He has largely benefited from great assistant coaches during his tenure at USC, not to mention the best talent in the country, year after year. He seems to lose 1-2 games every year that he has no business losing, and I believe that it is because he doesn't properly prepare (motivate) his teams to play the entire season. He will have to do more than ever, this year, to have a successful season. Two new coordinators, a true-freshman QB, and a very challenging schedule will be more than he can handle.

Being a great recruiter and having great assistants is part of being a great coach. It's the head coach who selects the staff. Players' talent only becomes great as a result of great coaching. As I have said, California does have superior talent. But that is not a new phenomenon since Carroll became coach. His predecessor couldn't do much with all this talent. Carroll turned that program around from his first season.

If I recall correctly, Carroll has only lost one bowl game. He has produced 2 Heisman winners. His won-loss record is one of the best, including non-conf games. That makes him a great coach.

I think his biggest problem is not figuring out how to keep his players from leaving early for the NFL. Sanchez should be our QB this year, and we should be heading toward a show-down with UF in the Rose Bowl. That cannot happen with a freshman.