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Originally posted by Redhawk:
I had an awesome experience this weekend, skating in a charity game with Larry Murphy, Dave Lewis, Joey Kocur, Sean Burr, and Jiri Fischer. What a blast. And it's amazing how they are just "normal guys" in the locker room.

It also deepened my appreciation for the Redwings organization. Love 'em or hate 'em, you've gotta respect them.

Were you lucky enough to drop your gloves with Kocur?

Tonight should be a good one in Dallas. It was a very edgy game last week. Oh, and Ott should have received more than one game....

Sounds like the deadline will come and go for the wild and nothing will change. All we do is sell out every game and have a mediocre team at best every year.

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Originally posted by Dom'n'Vin'sDad:

Were you lucky enough to drop your gloves with Kocur?

I'm still alive, aint I?
<--wouldn't it be great if they had one of these with a missing tooth?

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Originally posted by Redhawk:

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Originally posted by Dom'n'Vin'sDad:

Were you lucky enough to drop your gloves with Kocur?

I'm still alive, aint I?
<--wouldn't it be great if they had one of these with a missing tooth?

Well, for the first time in 60+ games, the Sharks have lost two in a row in regulation. They were outplayed by the Stars, but the atrocious match penalty on Pavelski certainly did the Sharks no favors.

Interesting things going on now for the Sharkies. With Roenick and Grier likely out until the playoffs, Lemieux a healthy scratch two games in a row (a failed experiment?), and the young guys doing nothing to instill confidence in the coaching staff last night, does Wilson pull the trigger on say, Jason Spezza, before today's deadline?

My Hawks beat Anaheim in OT last night on a beauty by Havlat.

There are a few nervous players in Chitown today waiting for that trade deadline. For once though, the Hawks are looking to add depth rather than trade just for the sake of trading. They sure could use a second line center.

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Originally posted by Dom'n'Vin'sDad:
Well, for the first time in 60+ games, the Sharks have lost two in a row in regulation. They were outplayed by the Stars, but the atrocious match penalty on Pavelski certainly did the Sharks no favors.

Interesting things going on now for the Sharkies. With Roenick and Grier likely out until the playoffs, Lemieux a healthy scratch two games in a row (a failed experiment?), and the young guys doing nothing to instill confidence in the coaching staff last night, does Wilson pull the trigger on say, Jason Spezza, before today's deadline?

DnVD, I don't think the Sharks should panic just yet. They could go 0-20 and still have a 67% chance of finishing 3rd in the conference. In fact, with a mere additional 4 points in their next 20 games, the Sharks could do no worse than 3rd in the Western Conference.

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Originally posted by Dom'n'Vin'sDad:
Tonight should be a good one in Dallas. It was a very edgy game last week. Oh, and Ott should have received more than one game....

It was a good game, the Stars finally won one.

As for Ott how did he deserve any suspension? Did you see the fight? He got jumped by four Ducks, was being punched in the face and with his broken hand could not fight back. On the way down his finger may have poked Moen, so what? Ott was a bloody mess at the end. And where is Giguere's suspension for starting it with a clear cheap shot slash?

VT2IT -

I really hope you aren't serious. Yes I saw the fight. I wonder if you did?

Ott didn't get "jumped" by four Ducks. Ott started the whole thing with his repeated cross-checking of Moen in front of the net. Giguiere jumped in (and got penalized for roughing - and which hardly deserves a suspension by the way), Niedermayer tried to get at Ott but Moen had a hold of him, and then Moen got Ott alone and kicked Ott's a$$ (which is why Ott's face was bloody). I suppose you will try to say that Pronger "jumped" him.

After falling to the ice, Ott attempted to injure Moen by scratching his eyes. Watch video and watch Moens legs, and watch the offical try to pry Ott's hand off Moen's face. That is why Ott deserved more than a game.

His "broken hand" has nothing to do with anything. Ott certainly threw punches on his way to the ice. And really, if you can't defend yourself, don't cheap shot cross-check somebody....

Jokinen and Leopold to the Flames..Ouch...They're going to be a tough customer.
Did I mention that I hate the Flames ...

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Originally posted by french16:
Jokinen and Leopold to the Flames..Ouch...They're going to be a tough customer.
Did I mention that I hate the Flames ...

F-bomb.

Everybody, please repeat after me:

Jason Spezza is a Shark
Jason Spezza is a Shark
Jason Spezza is a Shark
Jason Spezza is a Shark
Jason Spezza is a Shark....

Jason Spezza is a Shark...


Another f-bomb.

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Originally posted by Dom'n'Vin'sDad:
Everybody, please repeat after me:

Jason Spezza is a Shark
Jason Spezza is a Shark
Jason Spezza is a Shark
Jason Spezza is a Shark
Jason Spezza is a Shark....

Jason Spezza is a Senator...

Damn!

But, Travis Moen and Kent Huskins are now Sharks. Who got traded to Anaheim?

Why would the Ducks trade them? True, they will be UFA's, but the Ducks are still very much in the playoff chase.

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Originally posted by Dom'n'Vin'sDad:

Why would the Ducks trade them? True, they will be UFA's, but the Ducks are still very much in the playoff chase.

Because its better to get something in return now than nothing later. There was talk that the Canucks would be trading one of our top 4 D-men (Ohlund) becaue he's a UFA next year. Its not that we don't want him, there was just the fear that he could walk away and we would get nothing in return. (Hopefully the Canucks pay him in the off season).

Salary dump by the Ducks....

I would understand if they were 10 games out of the playoffs, but they certainly are not.

Oh well, Ducks loss is the Sharks gain....

I was hoping the Ducks might want to dump Pronger too and the Bruins could have traded for him. Looks like we'll be settling for Recchi instead. He's the left handed shot they needed but he's no Pronger. Maybe it's enough to get this team back on track now. We'll see.

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Originally posted by Dom'n'Vin'sDad:
VT2IT -

I really hope you aren't serious. Yes I saw the fight. I wonder if you did?

Ott didn't get "jumped" by four Ducks. Ott started the whole thing with his repeated cross-checking of Moen in front of the net. Giguiere jumped in (and got penalized for roughing - and which hardly deserves a suspension by the way), Niedermayer tried to get at Ott but Moen had a hold of him, and then Moen got Ott alone and kicked Ott's a$$ (which is why Ott's face was bloody). I suppose you will try to say that Pronger "jumped" him.

After falling to the ice, Ott attempted to injure Moen by scratching his eyes. Watch video and watch Moens legs, and watch the offical try to pry Ott's hand off Moen's face. That is why Ott deserved more than a game.

His "broken hand" has nothing to do with anything. Ott certainly threw punches on his way to the ice. And really, if you can't defend yourself, don't cheap shot cross-check somebody....

You clearly did not see the fight; or else your eyesight is quite bad. First of all: it was Niedermayer whom Ott was sparing with in front of the goal when Giguere gave him a vicious slash to the knee from behind after the horn. And please show me where Ott EVER attempted to throw a punch? He never did and you know it. He couldn’t because despite your feigned disbelief he has a broken hand. A fact which everyone on the ice knew. So when Moen came out of nowhere to grab Ott away from Pronger and Niedermayer and start throwing punches, that was a classless, gutless punk move. He’ll fit right in on the Guppies, another in the long list of dirty players in San Jose. Is Ott a saint? Far from it, he's a pest. But even he wouldn’t jump a man whom he knows is unable to defend himself. Moen also knew that Dallas had nobody close to a fighter on the ice so he would have a free run, gutless. He almost deserved to be poked in the eye if Ott did indeed do so. Stop letting your preconceived hatred get in the way of reality.

VT2IT -

Now you are being simply obtuse and making completely stupid statements.

Here is a link for you. Study it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bmAiuaRKow

You are correct in that it was Neidermayer that Ott was cross checking. I let my fingers get away from me there.

As for your points:

1. Watch as Ott and Moen are falling to the ice. You will see Ott throw two punches, and possibly a third.

2. It was hardly a "vicious" slash. I would even say the blow to the head was worse. If it was so "vicious" why didn't the NHL suspend Giguiere? They have been suspending people for intent to injure quite a bit lately, but they didn't in this case. Must not have been "vicious".

3. Please tell me where Pronger EVER had a hold of Ott?!?! You can't because he never did. Of course Moen came in. That is his job. He isn't going to let Neidermayer or Pronger get possible suspensions. He did his job. As Ott was doing his.

4. Dirty players from San Jose? Other than Bryan Marchment (who was a dirty player long before he came to San Jose), who? It isn't like Dallas is free and clear of dirty players in their history, and I am not even calling Ott dirty. What he did to Moen was clearly dirty, and he continually pushes it to the edge, but I never called Ott a dirty player.

5. "He almost deserved to be poked in the eye if Ott did indeed do so." That is one of the most idiotic things I have ever heard.

6. "Preconceived hatred"? For whom? And before you toss about the word "hatred", know to whom you are talking. But the really stupid thing about your statement is that I dislike the Ducks far more than I dislike the Stars. If you have any clue about the real history of the Stars, and the fact that I am NorCal born and raised, you might have an idea why. But then I doubt that you do, so maybe the names Dennis Maruk, Charlie Burns, Brian Lawton, Ted Hampson, Ernie Hickie, and Gilles Meloche might help....Got it figured out?

7. Don't let your fawning over the Stars get in the way of reality....

So we're all agreed that the Bruins did the best out of the trade deadline then?

Just to toss my hat in the Ott/Moen VT/DVD saga,

1) it didn't look to me like the cross checks that Ott was laying on Niedermayer were all that vicious, I've seen waaaaay more vicious stuff than that in front of the net without any incident, retaliatory or penalty wise. What made the situation blow up was Giggy getting involved, once the goalie gets into any sort of physical altercation you're guaranteed to have fireworks.

2) If Moen knew (and I'm not convinced he did) that Ott had a broken hand (and if in fact he did have a broken hand), then yes it was a cowardly move to initiate a fight with him.

As for what transpired after, well I don't want any part of that debate.

Absolutely agree with #1.

As for #2, I don't think Moen was "initiating" a fight. I simply think he was trying to beat the crap out of Ott because of what Ott did.

The issue of whether his hand is broken or not is moot in my book. Look at it this way: are the opposing teams supposed to let Ott (in this particular case) to get away with what he does becuase he can't fight back because of his hand? Of course not. If you can't defend yourself, don't be the agitator, and don't be surprised if you do agitate that somebody is going to engage you....

I will have to politely disagree with you DVD on point #2. Again I'm speaking under the assumption which may not be true that Ott's hand was broken and that Moen knew this beforehand.

If you agree that #1 is correct, then I don't see how you can say that Ott was agitating to such an extent that he had to assume a fight would ensue. If he stuck out a knee, boarded a guy from behind face first into the boards, or nailed a guy open ice 5 seconds after he made a pass, then hell yes he had better be ready to throw, and if he's not in a position to then he really should have thought about that before making a cheap play and he would deserve to take a thumping.

With that said, I don't think his cross checks on Niedermayer were nasty enough that he should have expected a fight to ensue, frankly they didn't seem to bother Scott all that much - he's a big boy who's been standing in front of the net taking little shots like that his entire HOF career. In any event, Giguere got involved so Moen came after him. You can say that this is what truly initiated the fight but it was still Moen who came in swinging, not Ott.

At the end of the day though I too find it hard to have a ton of sympathy for Ott, you live by the sword...