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That juice monkey's been breaking down since his days in Boston with regularity. I have almost zero doubt his injuries are usually examples of the ill effects of steroids. I loved him here until he sulked his way out of town after turning down a 4 year 60 million dollar contract. He was a talented stringbean when he arrived here but he only weighed 135 when he graduated high school and 165 when he made it to the big league. A few years later he looked like this and won 2 batting titles and hit 30 home runs a year. Now he's downsized again and lost most of his power. It could all be coincidental but it adds up to me. Sadly I'd still rather have him than Lugo at his 9 mil a year. |
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| Posts: 323 | Location: NH Seacoast | Registered: Oct 14, 2007 |  |
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pitching pitching pitching Being average at everything else, but having top pitching is a winning strategy. Being very good offensively and being below league average at ptiching is exciting, and makes for no post season........ Personally - you can have A-Rod. Give me Blake, Zimmerman, Feliz.... and 2 good pitchers for the same money and I beat you 8 out of 10.
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| Posts: 1901 | Location: Maple Glen, PA | Registered: Aug 28, 2003 | |
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Wow, did the Yankees ever waste a fortune on Igawa! I expect him to be in the minors again this year.
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quote: Originally posted by Board-O:
Wow, did the Yankees ever waste a fortune on Igawa....
......and Mussina, Pettitte, Giambi, Damon, Pavano, etc. I’m sure the list is longer but I have to run to a meeting.  |
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| Posts: 560 | Location: Orange County, CA | Registered: Aug 01, 2007 | |
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If the Yankees didn't win the '96, '98, '99, and 2000 World Series, I'm sure people would have been saying that money was wasted on Cone, Key, O'Neill, and Martinez.
As a Yankee fan, most of the free agents that have been signed in the last 10 years, with the exception of Irabu, Igawa, and Pavano, were good for a big market team. Of course, you can't make these mistakes if you were Pittsburgh, KC, or the Devil Rays.
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| Posts: 90 | Location: New Jersey | Registered: Aug 05, 2007 | |
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quote: Originally posted by DoubleD:
If the Yankees didn't win the '96, '98, '99, and 2000 World Series, I'm sure people would have been saying that money was wasted on Cone, Key, O'Neill, and Martinez.
As a Yankee fan, most of the free agents that have been signed in the last 10 years, with the exception of Irabu, Igawa, and Pavano, were good for a big market team. Of course, you can't make these mistakes if you were Pittsburgh, KC, or the Devil Rays.
Come on DD, O’Neill and those guys didn’t make that kind of money. They were veteran guys that made huge contributions in your championship run. And name one big free agent signing that has worked out well in the last 5 years? Either you guys are having a string of bad luck, or someone is making really bad decisions. I know hindsight is 20/20, but what you are getting for the money paid to Giambi is pathetic. The years on the Damon contract are crazy, his body is already breaking down. I think you over paid the market on Posada, big contracts for catchers in their mid 30’s don’t tend to end well. Not to mention the crazy pitching contracts to Clemons, Pavano, Jaret Wright, Mussina, Irabu and Igawa. Out of every signing in the last 5 years I would say Matsui has giving you the best return. |
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| Posts: 560 | Location: Orange County, CA | Registered: Aug 01, 2007 | |
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quote: Originally posted by DoubleD:
Glenn - which team do you follow? I hope it ain't the Dodgers.
Of course I’m a Dodger fan And please feel free to pile on because winning 1 playoff game since 1988 is absolutely ridiculous. We have obviously not been a model franchise, especially in the FOX years. As far as the current team goes, the Juan Pierre deal is just bad, but at least he comes to play everyday. What I like about the rest of their free agent deals in the last couple of years is they are not for a lot of years. That is the difference to me. Jason Schmidt got hurt, it happens, but at least his deal is only 3 years and not 4-5 years the other teams were offering him. Andrew Jones on a 2 year deal!! I think we got a steal there. The Nomar deal was stupid, but again, it was only for 2 years. And let’s not forget the payroll difference - $218M vs. $125M. Not even close. |
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| Posts: 560 | Location: Orange County, CA | Registered: Aug 01, 2007 | |
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quote: Originally posted by DoubleD:
This is too easy of an argument for me.
Where can I start:
1) LA Dodgers Payroll $125M vs. $218M. Hmmm. It's not the Yankees fault that they like to spend their money on players and therefore a better product for the fans. The Dodger owners want to pocket the money. Don't tell me that the Dodgers play in a small market.
2) Payroll is relative. The Dodgers consistently have the highest payroll in their division and yet, how many divisions have they won? How many wildcard spots have they won? Perhaps they'll win a few more with some Yankee exports on the team now.
3) Ok, so your free agent signings are shorter in duration than the Yankees'. Who cares if your free agents can't get you to the playoffs year after year? No wonder Dodger fans leave at the bottom of the 7th at every home game.
So the Yankees have spent $250M - $500M more than any other team in baseball since 2000 and they have what to show for it?? A couple of playoff wins? Nice return on investment. |
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| Posts: 560 | Location: Orange County, CA | Registered: Aug 01, 2007 | |
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George Steinbrenner should be in The Hall of Fame.
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Sticky, let me ask you this- who would you rather have as the owner of your favorite team? George has consistently spent his bucks on the best he could get. Yeah, he's driven up the ridiculous salaries, but he's demanded a winning team from his minions. I'm very happy he has been the owner of the team.
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I'll keep Illich as owner for the Tigers. He's done a good job assembling a competitive team (or at least I hope he has). He's done quite well as owner of the Redwings, too.
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| Posts: 431 | Location: Saginaw, MI | Registered: Mar 12, 2007 | |
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No argument there, hawk, but Steinbrenner has done it for decades.
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quote: Originally posted by Board-O:
Sticky, let me ask you this- who would you rather have as the owner of your favorite team? George has consistently spent his bucks on the best he could get. Yeah, he's driven up the ridiculous salaries, but he's demanded a winning team from his minions. I'm very happy he has been the owner of the team.
In all honesty I'll take Moreno (Angels owner) over Steinbrenner. That is because Steinbrenner is over the hill and done. Moreno provides reasonable prices (and a very nice wine selection in the club) with a great atmosphere and product. He spends money (Angels salary was third highest, behind Boston and New York) but he realizes money alone won't solve everything. Now, Steinbrenner has achieved with his team. That is not the issue, he wants to win and does what he can to make it happen. The man does not deserve to be put in the Hall of Fame. Individuals who get lifetime bans and need presidential pardons and behind the scenes maneuvering to remain in the game are not the kind of characters that should be enshrined in the hall. The Hall is there to reward the best of the best who have given back to baseball as much as they have received. Steinbrenner's character is not a fit. |
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| Posts: 649 | Location: Anaheim Hills, CA | Registered: Nov 18, 2007 | |
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Maybe you can get them to kick out Ty Cobb.
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quote: Originally posted by DoubleD:
Ok, so we didn't win the 2001 WS (1 out away) or the 2002 (beaten 4 games to 2 by the Marlins). Dodgers have spent at least half during the same period and don't have zilch. For Pete's sake, there are Dodger fans who are graduating college and don't know what the World Series feels like. You have the greatest pitcher ever in baseball -- Sandy Koufax -- who is teaching other pitchers on the Mets. Why isn't he on the Dodgers? Because they are C-H-E-A-P.
The money spent on the the Yankees is value added to the franchise. If the Yankees and Dodgers were worth the same 25 years ago, then I would reasonably guess that the Yankees are worth 3 times more than the Dodgers now. How's that for an investment.
Dude, I already stated it has been a rough go being a Dodger fan. The fox years were terrible, and I'm not 100% sold on McCourt, but he has been willing to shell out some dough for free agents and I love that we finally have some home grown talent to get excited about (Martin, Loney, Kemp, Kershaw). So you can keep bashing the Dodgers all you want, because we do deserve it, but that does nothing to disprove my point that the Yankees have spent money like drunken sailors since 2000 and have the same amount of world series rings as the Dodgers, Rays and Orioles – ZERO! |
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| Posts: 560 | Location: Orange County, CA | Registered: Aug 01, 2007 | |
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Sorry Sticky, but your HOF argument really doesn't work. About an hour ago, I hung up my Giants flag in the front yard. I don't know how long it will last. It is going to be a ROUGH year....
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| Posts: 3618 | Location: Elk Grove, CA, USA | Registered: Dec 06, 2003 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Board-O:
Maybe you can get them to kick out Ty Cobb.
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