I'm planning to buy some Charvin after tasting the 2000 recently. This is a producer I had been completely overlooking...unfortunately. Not completely my fault though as there hasn't been any in the Twin Cites market for as long as I've been buying CDP.M61
montrachet61 if you like Chateau Charvin try Binnys.com down here in Chicago. I always see Charvin on the shelf, so maybe they offer it via the website. I just bought the 2005.
2005 Clos des Papes 2005 Chateau de Vaudieu 2005 Domaine Caillou Vacheron Les Quartz CDP 2005 Vieux Donjon 2005 Chateau Fortia(tradition) 2005 Domaine de la Vieille Julienne 2005 Vieux Lazaret(reg. Cuv.) 2005 Clos du Mont Olivier Cuvee des Papet 2005 Domaine St-Prefert Charles Guiraud Collection CDP 2005 Domaine St-Prefert Auguste Favier Reserve CDP 2005 Domaine de la Janasse CDP Chaupin 2005 Clos St-Jean Combe des Fous CDP 2005 Chateau Beaucastel CDP
...so far
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Originally posted by Red guy in a blue state: Bump.
I saw the 05 Pegau Cuvee Reservee at my local wine shop. I have enjoyed prior vintages. Anybody get a chance to try this? Retails for $75....Seems to have gone up in price a bit (what from France hasn't). Thoughts? James?
Missed this while on vacation last week.
The '05 Pegau is in line with the vintage - structured, dense and one of the top wines of the vintage. Though probably not a style that fits Laurence to a 't', as opposed to the porty, super ripe '3, if you're a fan of the wine you'd be remiss to skip the vintage.
$75 isn't that much of an increase - I see it for $80 and up in many places...
Originally posted by Red guy in a blue state: Bump.
I saw the 05 Pegau Cuvee Reservee at my local wine shop. I have enjoyed prior vintages. Anybody get a chance to try this? Retails for $75....Seems to have gone up in price a bit (what from France hasn't). Thoughts? James?
Missed this while on vacation last week.
The '05 Pegau is in line with the vintage - structured, dense and one of the top wines of the vintage. Though probably not a style that fits Laurence to a 't', as opposed to the porty, super ripe '3, if you're a fan of the wine you'd be remiss to skip the vintage.
$75 isn't that much of an increase - I see it for $80 and up in many places...
When going back home earlier this month, I visited Pegau (had the chance to taste with Paul, Laurence's father) and bought a bunch of bottles at the caveau. I was amazed to see the low prices: 29 euros for the '04, 34 for the '05. Guess you can not blame the wineries for the prices on the shelves around here.... By the way, the '04 is just amazing as well.
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Thanks for the feedback James. I will make it a point to pick up a few. Have you officially reviewed this wine?
I thought that I had purchased the 04 in the $50 to $60 range. Could be fuzzy memory, though.
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There is no official review yet. The sample was very slow in getting to me for whatever reason and I have only just gotten it...the wine has been covered though via my "cellar notes"...
Keeno: You can check my blogs from June '07 as I have already tasted some '06s. I'll be back there again in June for more coverage...
The vintage looks strong, but in a more fruit-forward, flattering style. Think '99, '04, but with more depth...it doesn't look like a vin de garde year like '05.
These are the 2005 CdP vintages I have purchased so far.
2005 Beaucastel 2005 Clos Des Papes
I was, shall I say, lucky enough to have purchased a few 750ml bottles of the 2005 Clos Des Papes before Wine Spectator announced that it was the #1 wine of 2007. I paid a little over $90/bottle and I thought I was getting burned. The wine retailers that I trust are all selling this wine for over $150 as a direct result of the nod from Wine Spectator. A also got 2 magnums at the time for a little over $200 each and I'm still debating purchasing 1 or 2 double magnums. The current $800 price tag is a deterrent, but in a few years $800 for a double magnum of this wine will surely be a bargain.
2005's that I'm still looking to purchase.
Pegau La Vieux Donjon Vieux Telegraphe
I've been an avid 1st growth Bordeaux collector up until now, but the release prices for the upcoming 2005's are a complete joke. More and more of my attention and my $$$ is going towards Rhone's these days. The 2005 Rhone's are shaping up to be great wines for a fraction of the cost. What would you prefer to do with your money, buy a case of 2005 Beaucastel, or 1 bottle of the 2005 Margaux? The Beaucastel can be cellared or consumed now. I wouldn't even think about opening the Margaux until at least 2020.
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Originally posted by Matty73: I've been an avid 1st growth Bordeaux collector up until now, but the release prices for the upcoming 2005's are a complete joke. More and more of my attention and my $$$ is going towards Rhone's these days. The 2005 Rhone's are shaping up to be great wines for a fraction of the cost. What would you prefer to do with your money, buy a case of 2005 Beaucastel, or 1 bottle of the 2005 Margaux? The Beaucastel can be cellared or consumed now. I wouldn't even think about opening the Margaux until at least 2020.
Easy answer: A case of Beaucastel
Unfortunately, Rhone reds will soon go the way of Bordeaux.
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Unfortunately, Rhone reds will soon go the way of Bordeaux.
I don't think this will be the case. At least I hope not. If large producers like Beaucastel and Clos Des Papes raise their prices at the same rate as what the Bordeaux producers have done with the 2005 vintage, then they simply won't be able to sell their wine. There are too many choices out there for consumers and I don't think it would be wise for any producer to get so full of themselves that they price out 80% of their potential customers. The 1st growth Bordeaux producers have done just that and they will see the error of their ways soon enough.
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I don't think this will be the case. At least I hope not. If large producers like Beaucastel and Clos Des Papes raise their prices at the same rate as what the Bordeaux producers have done with the 2005 vintage, then they simply won't be able to sell their wine. There are too many choices out there for consumers and I don't think it would be wise for any producer to get so full of themselves that they price out 80% of their potential customers. The 1st growth Bordeaux producers have done just that and they will see the error of their ways soon enough.
I hope you're right.
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There's no question that the Rhones are a superb value, these recent number of vintages in particular. The menatality in the Rhone region seems to be, according to J.M. of keeping prices steady and 'realistic'. However, it also stands to reason that the Producers stand to easily raise pricing without hurting their market share. Particularly if done steadily and resonably, unlike their Bordeaux breathern. This very discussion took place just last evening over wine, locally. The price spread between buying in the Region compared to pricing in N. America is no secret. Why should the Rhone Producers countinually leave the market spread profits to the distribution chain?
If the Rhone producers were going to raise prices drastically, they probably would have done it by now because they've had a pretty good run of vintages back to 1998. I paid only $10 more for the 2004 Beaucastel than I did for the 1998 and it looks like the 2005 is going to be the same price. Pegau is up a little more, but still a relative bargain. It will be interesting to see what the 2006 Clos des Papes is released for.
Originally posted by steve8: If the Rhone producers were going to raise prices drastically, they probably would have done it by now because they've had a pretty good run of vintages back to 1998. I paid only $10 more for the 2004 Beaucastel than I did for the 1998 and it looks like the 2005 is going to be the same price. Pegau is up a little more, but still a relative bargain. It will be interesting to see what the 2006 Clos des Papes is released for.
Good point Steve.
I'm going to do a little shopping in Houston and San Antonio this week for white CdP.
I was hoping to get another 6 of 2005 Domaine Pegau to keep my vertical going. The Cuvee Reservee just arrived in my local shop, and my jaw dropped---$99 per bottle (I know it is probably much cheaper on line, but with shipping, it doesn't really beat my case discount price by much). I just looked at my records, and the 1998 was $34. Vieux Telegraphe has also tripled in the past 7 years.
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$95 here. I wanted 3-6 bottles, but I'm out at that price. Picked up some extra Bois de Boursan for 43 instead.
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Originally posted by Redhawk: I was hoping to get another 6 of 2005 Domaine Pegau to keep my vertical going. The Cuvee Reservee just arrived in my local shop, and my jaw dropped---$99 per bottle (I know it is probably much cheaper on line, but with shipping, it doesn't really beat my case discount price by much). I just looked at my records, and the 1998 was $34. Vieux Telegraphe has also tripled in the past 7 years.
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Holy crap. I feel bad about bitching about Pegau at $75. Those prices suck.
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- Jack Handy
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I await three wines from Southern Rhone that I am anxious to pickup.
The 2005 Domaine La Barroche Pure CDP The 2005 Pegau (any cuvee) and The 2005 Clos St-Jean Combe des Fous CDP which I tasted late last year and it was excellent.
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(I know it is probably much cheaper on line, but with shipping, it doesn't really beat my case discount price by much). I just looked at my records, and the 1998 was $34. Vieux Telegraphe has also tripled in the past 7 years. 
