It is interesting that nobody has mentioned Robert Parkers recent comments on the 2005 CdP vintage in this thread. I was wondering if his comments in the Oct. 31 Wine Advocate have lessened anyones enthusiasm for the 2005 vintage or caused them to tone down what they were planning on buying?
Here are some of the less favorable things he had to say about 2005:
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This is not a great vintage, as too many of the wines are hard and tannic ... this is a vintage to avoid buying across the board because of some pretty harsh tannins in some cuvees combined with relatively higher than normal acids.
He did call 2005 an excellent vintage but not as good as 1998, 2000 or 2001. From his comments it seems like he puts 2005 more on par with 1999 or 2004 and it appears he thinks 2006 will be better than 2005. He calls 2006 an exceptional vintage.
VM
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Originally posted by Vino Me: It is interesting that nobody has mentioned Robert Parkers recent comments on the 2005 CdP vintage in this thread. I was wondering if his comments in the Oct. 31 Wine Advocate have lessened anyones enthusiasm for the 2005 vintage or caused them to tone down what they were planning on buying?
Here are some of the less favorable things he had to say about 2005:
quote:
This is not a great vintage, as too many of the wines are hard and tannic ... this is a vintage to avoid buying across the board because of some pretty harsh tannins in some cuvees combined with relatively higher than normal acids.
He did call 2005 an excellent vintage but not as good as 1998, 2000 or 2001. From his comments it seems like he puts 2005 more on par with 1999 or 2004 and it appears he thinks 2006 will be better than 2005. He calls 2006 an exceptional vintage.
VM
I'm confused - he said it wasn't great, but called it excellent?
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Originally posted by Vino Me: It is interesting that nobody has mentioned Robert Parkers recent comments on the 2005 CdP vintage in this thread. I was wondering if his comments in the Oct. 31 Wine Advocate have lessened anyones enthusiasm for the 2005 vintage or caused them to tone down what they were planning on buying?
Here are some of the less favorable things he had to say about 2005:
quote:
This is not a great vintage, as too many of the wines are hard and tannic ... this is a vintage to avoid buying across the board because of some pretty harsh tannins in some cuvees combined with relatively higher than normal acids.
He did call 2005 an excellent vintage but not as good as 1998, 2000 or 2001. From his comments it seems like he puts 2005 more on par with 1999 or 2004 and it appears he thinks 2006 will be better than 2005. He calls 2006 an exceptional vintage.
VM
I'm confused - he said it wasn't great, but called it excellent?
Personally, I would put excellent one step below great.
Originally posted by Keeno: I'm confused - he said it wasn't great, but called it excellent?
I'm not sure if you are familiar with Parkers terminology; but, in the magazine he does not give vintage ratings when he reviews a region. The vintage ratings are updated once a year. Instead, he uses terms like "very good, excellent, great and exceptional" among other terms. I don't know if he has ever defined these terms and said how they fall in his hierarchy of vintage descriptors. However from reading him over the years, I would put them in the order I listed them above (lowest rating to highest).
VM
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VM: Thanks for the clarification. I am not familiar with his terminology, so this is helpful. I would have thought (incorrectly) that the two terms were essentially synonomous.
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I was wondering if his comments in the Oct. 31 Wine Advocate have lessened anyones enthusiasm for the 2005 vintage or caused them to tone down what they were planning on buying?
Let me clarify that Robert Parker only called 2006 an exceptional vintage for white wines from the Rhone. It is apparent that he thinks 2005 is better than 2006 for reds.
VM
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Originally posted by wineismylife: 1 x 750ml @ $13.59 2004 Sélectionné par Laurence Féraud Vin de Pays d'Oc Grenache/Syrah 'Pegovino' (aka Plume Bleue)
Have you popped this? Any thoughts?
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Originally posted by wineismylife: 1 x 750ml @ $13.59 2004 Sélectionné par Laurence Féraud Vin de Pays d'Oc Grenache/Syrah 'Pegovino' (aka Plume Bleue)
Have you popped this? Any thoughts?
Nope. Still sitting in the cellar.
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Originally posted by wineismylife: 1 x 750ml @ $13.59 2004 Sélectionné par Laurence Féraud Vin de Pays d'Oc Grenache/Syrah 'Pegovino' (aka Plume Bleue)
Have you popped this? Any thoughts?
Nope. Still sitting in the cellar.
Thanks. The minimum buy on this is a case, and I can't find much info on it.
____________________ An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools. - Hemingway
Originally posted by wineismylife: 1 x 750ml @ $13.59 2004 Sélectionné par Laurence Féraud Vin de Pays d'Oc Grenache/Syrah 'Pegovino' (aka Plume Bleue)
Have you popped this? Any thoughts?
Nope. Still sitting in the cellar.
Thanks. The minimum buy on this is a case, and I can't find much info on it.
Clos des Papes Vieux Donjon Autard "Cote Ronde" Vieux Telegraphe
also already bought, drank, and very much enjoyed the Clos de l'Oratorie -- given the extremely wallet-friendly price point of this one, and the extent to which I enjoyed it, I am absolutely tickled pink about the possibilities some of the "big boys" have to offer from '05.
James, I was hoping to get your opinion about the '01 Vieux Telegraphe "Crau" -- Ashley and I just bought a bottle. I noticed WS's review was done by the editor that was on the Rhone tasting beat before you. Our tastes in Rhone wine are much more in sync with your pallatte than his, so I was hoping to get your opinion on this bottle re: quality and when to drink. Thanks so much!
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Brashley: '01 almost qualifies as a sleeper vintage for CdP - it's nearly lost in the shuffle between '98, '03, '05 etc, though savvy buyers have been keyed into the vintage for a while now.
The '01s are really pure and racy and they continue to expand in the bottle. This is the vintage the vignerons secretly prefer (when they aren't talking about the next vintage they have to offer ).
The '01 Vieux Télé is young and should improve over the next decade...
Originally posted by James Molesworth: Brashley: '01 almost qualifies as a sleeper vintage for CdP - it's nearly lost in the shuffle between '98, '03, '05 etc, though savvy buyers have been keyed into the vintage for a while now.
The '01s are really pure and racy and they continue to expand in the bottle. This is the vintage the vignerons secretly prefer (when they aren't talking about the next vintage they have to offer ).
The '01 Vieux Télé is young and should improve over the next decade...
Alright James - One more question and I will leave you alone for awhile. What about the '00 vintage? I don't hear a lot about this one and (there may be a reason for that), but I have read a few snippets of info and it sounds like this vintage had a lot of racy fruit as well, but lacked the structure of the better vintages. I believe that Parker has written that this vintage never really shut down either. I have a handful of '00s that I haven't checked in on. In your opinion, would it be worth popping a few corks or do they still need more time?
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Keeno: '00 is an excellent vintage, though yields are higher than vintages like '04, '05, and I often find this the weakest link in the '98-'06 run (not including '02 obviously). 2000 is a little brother to '98 in style. "Weakest link" is relative of course.
I wouldn't describe 2000 as racy - its rich and forward for my palate. Some great wines to be sure, and yes, they are drinkable now, though the best will of course age longer. But 200 does not have the structure I look for in the greatest years...
Clos des Papes Vieux Donjon Coulon Beaurenard Janasse Chaupin Vieux Telegraphe, Le Crau White Saint-Prefert, Charles Guiraud Saint-Prefert, Reserve Auguste Favier Vacheron-Pouzin, Domaine du Caillou, Les Quartz
Almost picked up some Beaucastel yesterday, but will wait for a better price.
Still more to buy for sure.
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Originally posted by James Molesworth: Brashley: '01 almost qualifies as a sleeper vintage for CdP - it's nearly lost in the shuffle between '98, '03, '05 etc, though savvy buyers have been keyed into the vintage for a while now.
The '01s are really pure and racy and they continue to expand in the bottle. This is the vintage the vignerons secretly prefer (when they aren't talking about the next vintage they have to offer ).
The '01 Vieux Télé is young and should improve over the next decade...
James, Thank you for your input. It's obvious by your active participation in WS online's blogs and forums that WS, and its subscribers alike, are lucky to have you as a Senior Editor. Thank you!
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Sorry aphilla - missed this question.. No, haven't tried it yet. Was thinking of cellaring them for at least 10-15 before opening. Will try Pegau 2005 tomorrow, however Maybe a comparison with the Beau would be a good thing? - Will have to think about that..
I saw the 05 Pegau Cuvee Reservee at my local wine shop. I have enjoyed prior vintages. Anybody get a chance to try this? Retails for $75....Seems to have gone up in price a bit (what from France hasn't). Thoughts? James?
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