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Well...you completely missed the point. Sad that you did. |
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Well then, kindly educate me. What was the intent of your post? |
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Brandon
Your the man. At this point I'd give up on these guys. The WS forums have turned into an angry man's board where they rip people most of the time. Easy to do when you hide behind a screen name. Its becuase of this that I spend the bulk of my time on the RP boards where you have to give your name and most posts I read there are friendly conversations with wine lovers. As for Gary, I met him in SF at the V party that brandon helped organize with 2 buddies of mine. We all flew up from Phoenix for it. remeber us Brandon? Any way, Gary seems to be 100% sincere, if you meet him you get that vibe quickly. He talked at length about how there could be a precieved bias since he sells wine too. Keep this in mind, anyone who watches knows that he is very stingy in his ratings. He is just as often critical as he is excited. He also talks about how wineries & distributors get pissed when he tells people to pass on wines, even ones he will tell you he loved in past vintages. Lastly, I would tell you that I enjoy his blogs, I find myself disagreeing with him as often as I agree. In the end that what he wants to happen. |
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Indy,
You are not alone. I have been called many things in my life, but I have never been called a conservative. Proud to be a liberal trial lawyer (who also loves trees!) thirstyman |
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Killer Cabs (if that's your real name
 ), please do not run Brandon off from this board before he has an opportunity to expand on his point, which I apparently mistook for him saying that WS did not conduct their tastings in his presence so that he could personally verify that they were blind.Incidentally, I've posted my real name here multiple times (but the screen name is much more fun) and I have nothing against Gary V. I simply read something in Brandon's posts which compelled me to respond. |
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We may have more things in common than you think.  *********************** "I have drunk not to the clouding of my reason, but just so much that I can still surely distinguish the syllables with my tongue." Athenaeus |
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How could I forget you guys? Pass the chicken would ya? :-) Thanks for the kind words. |
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SD
Brandon a big boy. Having met him last year I support his views. My comments were general. Not direct toward you or anyone else specifically. I too have posted my name many times. Especially when I occasionally sell wines here. Everyone is entitled to there opinions. Its America after all. But these WS boards for some reason have become a haven for those that just want to jump on people. Probably why WS has about 15 active members at any time and RP has 200. Personally WS ratings & opinions match my tastes better. I also find them to be more interestin then RP. I see a lot of bias and love fest stuff from Parker & his crew. Perfect example..look at the Spain report posted today. The scores are so high for so many. 2 years in a row. Add this to his love fest for australia, Bordeaux and the high ratings for so many napa cabs in 2005. RP may be a god to many, but he's a little to easy to give big ratings. Again, everyone including me is entitled to thier opinions.
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Brandon
You hit the nail on the head. Love the chicken. The wife & I are coming back up to Napa again later this year. Send me your info and I'll call or email you, maybe we can have dinner or something. My email is stlenzo1@cox.net Thanks for the Kosta Browne that night. Wonder how our Olympic luge friend is doing? |
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How could I not agree with that? But that doesn't mean that some views shouldn't be challenged. Since Brandon is apparently taking a pass, I'll ask you. For the opinion on which I challenged him, what is your understanding on his views regarding WS being unbiased or not and in what way do you agree with him? BTW, the Olympic Skeleton dude is my friend too. The wine world is small indeed. |
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Dang,
Thirstyman/Mimik, Sounds like a tree hugger offline should be in the works? I'll bring a bottle of Nicolas Joly.  -IB PSA: Please report gratuitous trolling/flaming immediately (little triangle at bottom right). |
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#1 its Vaynerchuk no C
#2 I am beyond humbled by many of the kind words! #3 I SOOOOOOOOOOO respect where people are coming from on the counter that I have vested interest ect...I so understand and "get it" I just wanted to say a few things #1 I adore and respect Parker and many WS critics, Burghound, Tanzer, Hirsch ect..so many good peeps ______________________________ Gary, I respect you very much. As you know how often people spell your name wrong (as per your item #1). In that light you'll understand ... my last name is HERSH, no "i" or "c" in there. Roy www.fortheloveofport.com |
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SD I'll say this. I will trust that WS is being honest when they post a video showing how taste & rate wines. They have a professional resposibility to be honest. But I will tell you that I believe that wineries have honed in on the critics likes & dislikes. A big score means a lot to profits and future ability to sell more. On the other hand, it also interests me that the same wines year after year, after year, after year, are the ones getting the top scores most of the time. yes others show up, but does anyone really beleive that those wineries are that good. Even great players stikeout once in a while. |
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SD...my post was too the point that every critic can have his or her intentions skewed by what they are paid and how they are paid. I do not have a conspiracy theory against WS. I just hear the same arguments against Gary when those same arguments go for a great many "critics." |
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And Caleb, our World Cup Skeleton friend, has had a challenging season but he is the National Champ so it has been good and rough. His wine tasting career has not suffered though!
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Gary is not about selling wine or rating wine. He is all about creating his "brand." He said it very clearly in http://www.viddler.com/explore/richschefren/videos/50/5.224/
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I will carry your "playing devil's advocate" one step further. Are ANY of the critics trying to "shake down the winemaker for a good score prior to tasting." Mr. Taylor reminds us that WS does not sell wine but he does not mention the effect a WS score has on a selling price point for a given wine. One example being the '04 Schild Shiraz, priced at $24 prior to the WS96 rating. Prices rose to as much as $75 in speculation of a WOTY rating. Online prices are at $40 after a finish out of the top 100. After the WS score was published, this wine was next to impossible to find, so yes, WS does sell wine, why else would wineries advertise in their magazine? Concerning Gary, it appears that he is having fun at what he is doing, good for him. There are so many wines now that it is almost impossible for any one entity to cover everything so the more information, the better when trying to decide where to spend one's wine dollar. |
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On a personal note- I have emailed Gary directly I am guessing on over 50 wines most of them being over $75 in price- All carried by Wine Library- 80% of the time he tells me not to buy the wine.
While I do not roll with the big dogs cellar wise it is nice to get an opinion and if I do buy something he suggested and I don't like it- I can return any extras I may have bought. Yes I think Gary is a pinko Russian Commie trying to push a socialist agenda like George Soros- I do not think any of this reflects his desire to push wines that are subpar- That is what his salesman are for! "One time at band camp I stuck a flute in my pu.." |
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Kahuna is a fake as we all know he rolls with the big dogs when it comes to his cellar. Remind us how many "off site" cellars you have. Cmon mullet man...bring it!!!!!! |
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So, is there where the party has moved to?
I believe that Gary is sincere. I also believe that his sincerity enables him to appeal to more people, and thus, sell more wine. I don't see that there is anything wrong with that. If his opinions seem biased to you, ignoring them is a fine option. Living in WA state, I can't buy what he sells anyway. I still enjoy his show. And yet...when he says 'radool' I cringe all over. But what can ya do? -Tarheel17, over and out |
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Brandon, I understood that and was trying to show that the skewing could be taken too far with my extension on Gary extorting money. It's all just a purported revenue stream, right? There are huge differences between second guessing Gary's motivations on his ratings as a wine retailer versus the WS editor's as magazine employees. The parallel you're trying to draw is WAY too tenuous. Hopefully we'll have an opportunity to continue this discussion over some wine. |
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Exactly. *********************** "I have drunk not to the clouding of my reason, but just so much that I can still surely distinguish the syllables with my tongue." Athenaeus |
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When both can flex their muscle to move a wine it seems pretty black and white to me. The path may be different but the outcome is the same.
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Why the frick we need two threads on Lord Parker and Veinherchuck
on this forum is beyond me. More importantly, why doesn't Bob the Mod give us some yawning graemlins?Joe ----- Wine is like potato chips around me...if it's open, it's gone. |
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