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I agree with MiamiAtty, R&RCowboy. I think that Board-O was merely making a suggestion to Gary. I did not read anything offensive at all.
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| Posts: 2044 | Location: o-HIGH-o | Registered: May 05, 2005 | |
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quote: Originally posted by baja: Who said anything about coming to take care of  you mean GV's in the health care business now also...DAMN  Hey I am just responding to his post....still trying to figure out what the hell he needed to start another thread for when there is one right below it with his name already on it. What is today WLTV Day on WS. And as far as being harsh...just giving back what was dished out.
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quote: Originally posted by SS Chris:
Who's Gary Vaynerchuck?
Isn't he a defenseman for the Devils? |
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| Posts: 2909 | Location: Rocky Mountains | Registered: Apr 08, 2004 | |
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I like WLTV and also respect Parkers scores. I think there is room for many, many palates with all the wine being made around the world. Find one you like and follow him/her. Kathleen Lisson
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| Posts: 29 | Location: Albany, NY | Registered: Feb 11, 2008 | |
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quote: Originally posted by SS Chris:
Who's Gary Vaynerchuck?
Good one Chris! Gary V. addressed that above, but nice try.
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| Posts: 6241 | Location: Naptown | Registered: Nov 24, 2006 | |
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Oh brother.  Fact #1: Gary is a nice guy. Fact #2: Gary loves wine(just like everyone else on this forum) Fact #3: Gary has a business that sells wine. Fact #4: Gary, while he is entertaining, is still selling wine. Fact #5:Gary, who does not taste blind and because he also sells wine, is NOT in a position to be COMPLETELY objective on the wines he reviews. Whew!! Kapish? Parker intentionally prohibits ads in his WA. It is not without reason. WS accepts ads but strictly adheres to tasting blind. Also not without reason. Gary tastes both non-blind AND sells the stuff. As such, this lack of objectivity is what impairs Gary or anyone else in these circumstances to seriously and credibly consider themselves as wine-critic. Even this discussion is absurd. No offense Gary as none is intended.
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| Posts: 3390 | Location: montreal | Registered: Feb 21, 2004 | |
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As a New Yorker, the problem that I have is that Gary is from New Jersey. That's a pretty big hurdle to get over in order to be taken seriously.  |
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quote: Originally posted by dc13:
Indy - I have always enjoyed your posts HERE and I urge you to participate more over there. You'd be surprised at the level of knowledge and experience some of the members possess . . .
dc13, Thanks, I appreciate it, I really do. Sometimes (especially after one of my quarterly meltdowns) I do think I might pull the WS plug and migrate over there more. But something always calls me back. There's something to feeling like one of the, if not the most liberal person in a sea of stoic conservatism (Een excepted). The winelibrary forums often feel as if folks are trying to "outcool" each other. Not my gig either,  . Cheers!
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| Posts: 6241 | Location: Naptown | Registered: Nov 24, 2006 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Mimik: Oh brother. Fact #1: Gary is a nice guy. Fact #2: Gary loves wine(just like everyone else on this forum) Fact #3: Gary has a business that sells wine. Fact #4: Gary, while he is entertaining, is still selling wine. Fact #5:Gary, who does not taste blind and because he also sells wine, is NOT in a position to be COMPLETELY objective on the wines he reviews. Whew!! Kapish? Parker intentionally prohibits ads in his WA. It is not without reason. WS accepts ads but strictly adheres to tasting blind. Also not without reason. Gary tastes both non-blind AND sells the stuff. As such, this lack of objectivity is what impairs Gary or anyone else in these circumstances to seriously and credibly consider themselves as wine-critic. Even this discussion is absurd. No offense Gary as none is intended.
If you question Garys intentions then you have to question the secret nature of WS tastings. I have no problem with either so I'm not trying to challenge you, but the fact that WS sells ads means the same argument applies. |
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| Posts: 78 | Location: Roseville, CA | Registered: Apr 26, 2007 | |
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IndyBob, You are NOT the only "liberal" person here. Just that the rest of us don't label ourselves that way. Trust me, I've had my share of discussions in the Madder than Hell forum and I frankly believe that politics, unless wine related, really do not have any place here. Some people espouse their politicals views here but I believe a lot of others take notice and avoid those posters. Just my 3 cents and hope that you stay on.
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| Posts: 3390 | Location: montreal | Registered: Feb 21, 2004 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Brandon M:
If you question Garys intentions then you have to question the secret nature of WS tastings. I have no problem with either so I'm not trying to challenge you, but the fact that WS sells ads means the same argument applies.
How does the same argument apply? WS sells wine ads, but tastes blind so that influence is mitigated. If Gary tasted blind it would also help mitigate doubt about his objectivity. |
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| Posts: 2212 | Location: OC, CA (Currently in London) | Registered: Aug 01, 2007 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Brandon M:
If you question Garys intentions then you have to question the secret nature of WS tastings. I have no problem with either so I'm not trying to challenge you, but the fact that WS sells ads means the same argument applies.
First, I don't question Gary's intentions, I am saying that he could not possibly be fully objective given the facts. Second, I would refrain from using the word "secret" in your post. It has a connotation of sinister or somehow conniving. Please just use blind tastings as that is what they are. Finally, if you read my post carefully, the fact that WS sells wines is an inherant contradiction with judging wines. As a result, to somewhat remedy this, they taste blind.
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| Posts: 3390 | Location: montreal | Registered: Feb 21, 2004 | |
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quote: #1 Trust their own palate and more importantly
#2 Try new things
Again....How true it is. Keep up the good work Gary.
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| Posts: 6824 | Location: San Francisco | Registered: Jun 20, 2002 | |
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Just to clarify Mimik's statement, while we do have advertising in our magazine and on WineSpectator.com, Wine Spectator does not sell wines.
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| Posts: 256 | Location: New York | Registered: Jun 13, 2006 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Mimik: quote: Originally posted by Brandon M:
If you question Garys intentions then you have to question the secret nature of WS tastings. I have no problem with either so I'm not trying to challenge you, but the fact that WS sells ads means the same argument applies.
First, I don't question Gary's intentions, I am saying that he could not possibly be fully objective given the facts. Second, I would refrain from using the word "secret" in your post. It has a connotation of sinister or somehow conniving. Please just use blind tastings as that is what they are. Finally, if you read my post carefully, the fact that WS sells wines is an inherant contradiction with judging wines. As a result, to somewhat remedy this, they taste blind.
It was not my intention to call a blind taste a "Secret" taste it is my intention to show the difference between Gary and WS. WS may blind taste their wines, but how do I know this for sure? Again, I'm just playing devil's advocate here. Gary tastes right in front of you and WS is tasted in a back room, blind or not. |
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| Posts: 78 | Location: Roseville, CA | Registered: Apr 26, 2007 | |
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quote: Fact #1: Gary is a nice guy.
Fact #2: Gary loves wine(just like everyone else on this forum)
Fact #3: Gary has a business that sells wine.
Fact #4: Gary, while he is entertaining, is still selling wine.
Fact #5:Gary, who does not taste blind and because he also sells wine, is NOT in a position to be COMPLETELY objective on the wines he reviews.
and lastly.... Fact #6: None of you are paying for his opinion, so if you don't like it, don't think twice about it, and take your frustration over to a political forum where you do pay for it, whether you like it or not.
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| Posts: 6824 | Location: San Francisco | Registered: Jun 20, 2002 | |
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quote: Originally posted by GlennK: quote: Originally posted by Brandon M:
If you question Garys intentions then you have to question the secret nature of WS tastings. I have no problem with either so I'm not trying to challenge you, but the fact that WS sells ads means the same argument applies.
How does the same argument apply? WS sells wine ads, but tastes blind so that influence is mitigated. If Gary tasted blind it would also help mitigate doubt about his objectivity.
Glenn - I completely agree with you and have asked Gary to blind taste in the past, but I do feel the argument is the same. |
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| Posts: 78 | Location: Roseville, CA | Registered: Apr 26, 2007 | |
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This back and forth stinks, Please and I am serious lets establish this Wine Spectator rocks, they have help the wine world in many ways, #2 Robert Parker a Legend, honest and amazing, #3 I know who I am and who my parents raised, I know I took care of my $$$ well being a long time ago and i Know why I started WLTV, I soooooooo Know why people would say I am biased and I really appreciate the support of people who care/know me. Bottom Line is this I just hope that in any small way I have helped wine in this country and if I have I am thrilled and I hope everyone can get along, there is no US vs. Them, we are all on the same team  Stay well everyone!
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quote: Originally posted by Gary Vaynerchuk: This back and forth stinks, Please and I am serious lets establish this Wine Spectator rocks, they have help the wine world in many ways, #2 Robert Parker a Legend, honest and amazing, #3 I know who I am and who my parents raised, I know I took care of my $$$ well being a long time ago and i Know why I started WLTV, I soooooooo Know why people would say I am biased and I really appreciate the support of people who care/know me. Bottom Line is this I just hope that in any small way I have helped wine in this country and if I have I am thrilled and I hope everyone can get along, there is no US vs. Them, we are all on the same team Stay well everyone!
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One thing we know for sure.....Vaynerchuk is a post padder. good to see you indybob!!!! |
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| Posts: 45 | Location: Somerset County, NJ | Registered: Jul 05, 2007 | |
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Gary, I think most of the grief you are catching is from Giants bandwagoners who know that you are an outspoken Jets fan.
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| Posts: 1648 | Location: Boca Raton, FL | Registered: Dec 29, 2006 | |
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Mimik, Well said, and how could I have forgotten! I spoke too soon, as I sometimes do. You're right in that non-wine related politics tend to upset the food chain 'round here. Heck, in an election year, I've been biting my fingers for weeks now, .
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| Posts: 6241 | Location: Naptown | Registered: Nov 24, 2006 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Gary Vaynerchuk: This back and forth stinks, Please and I am serious lets establish this Wine Spectator rocks, they have help the wine world in many ways, #2 Robert Parker a Legend, honest and amazing, #3 I know who I am and who my parents raised, I know I took care of my $$$ well being a long time ago and i Know why I started WLTV, I soooooooo Know why people would say I am biased and I really appreciate the support of people who care/know me. Bottom Line is this I just hope that in any small way I have helped wine in this country and if I have I am thrilled and I hope everyone can get along, there is no US vs. Them, we are all on the same team Stay well everyone!
Gary You say it from the heart! Carry on please...I like your enthusiasm for wine. These BB's can be a tough place, however, I do feel your approach has opened up the wine perspective for some. I loved your session on 2005 Chateau Angelus follwed by a cheese tasting. I especially appreciate your comments on Bordeaux's. Looking forward to more! Trev |
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quote: Originally posted by Brandon M:
It was not my intention to call a blind taste a "Secret" taste it is my intention to show the difference between Gary and WS. WS may blind taste their wines, but how do I know this for sure? Again, I'm just playing devil's advocate here. Gary tastes right in front of you and WS is tasted in a back room, blind or not.
This is just sad. Gary tastes the wine right in front of me, but I don't know if he tries to shake down the winemaker for a good score prior to the tasting. I'm just playing devil's advocate here, so posting my conspiracy theory must be worthwhile. |
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| Posts: 1784 | Location: San Diego, CA | Registered: Nov 19, 2005 | |
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