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I agree with MiamiAtty, R&RCowboy. I think that Board-O was merely making a suggestion to Gary. I did not read anything offensive at all.
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Wow. You should really incorporate more salads into your diet. |
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you mean GV's in the health care business now also...DAMN |
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Isn't he a defenseman for the Devils? |
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I like WLTV and also respect Parkers scores. I think there is room for many, many palates with all the wine being made around the world.
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Good one Chris! Gary V. addressed that above, but nice try. -IB PSA: Please report gratuitous trolling/flaming immediately (little triangle at bottom right). |
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Oh brother.
 Fact #1: Gary is a nice guy. Fact #2: Gary loves wine(just like everyone else on this forum) Fact #3: Gary has a business that sells wine. Fact #4: Gary, while he is entertaining, is still selling wine. Fact #5:Gary, who does not taste blind and because he also sells wine, is NOT in a position to be COMPLETELY objective on the wines he reviews. Whew!! Kapish? Parker intentionally prohibits ads in his WA. It is not without reason. WS accepts ads but strictly adheres to tasting blind. Also not without reason. Gary tastes both non-blind AND sells the stuff. As such, this lack of objectivity is what impairs Gary or anyone else in these circumstances to seriously and credibly consider themselves as wine-critic. Even this discussion is absurd. No offense Gary as none is intended. *********************** "I have drunk not to the clouding of my reason, but just so much that I can still surely distinguish the syllables with my tongue." Athenaeus |
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As a New Yorker, the problem that I have is that Gary is from New Jersey. That's a pretty big hurdle to get over in order to be taken seriously.
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dc13, Thanks, I appreciate it, I really do. Sometimes (especially after one of my quarterly meltdowns) I do think I might pull the WS plug and migrate over there more. But something always calls me back. There's something to feeling like one of the, if not the most liberal person in a sea of stoic conservatism (Een excepted). The winelibrary forums often feel as if folks are trying to "outcool" each other. Not my gig either,  . Cheers! -IB PSA: Please report gratuitous trolling/flaming immediately (little triangle at bottom right). |
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If you question Garys intentions then you have to question the secret nature of WS tastings. I have no problem with either so I'm not trying to challenge you, but the fact that WS sells ads means the same argument applies. |
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IndyBob,
You are NOT the only "liberal" person here. Just that the rest of us don't label ourselves that way. Trust me, I've had my share of discussions in the Madder than Hell forum and I frankly believe that politics, unless wine related, really do not have any place here. Some people espouse their politicals views here but I believe a lot of others take notice and avoid those posters. Just my 3 cents and hope that you stay on. *********************** "I have drunk not to the clouding of my reason, but just so much that I can still surely distinguish the syllables with my tongue." Athenaeus |
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How does the same argument apply? WS sells wine ads, but tastes blind so that influence is mitigated. If Gary tasted blind it would also help mitigate doubt about his objectivity. “What is the soup du jour?"...It’s the soup of the day..."Mmmm, that sounds good, I’ll have that” - Lloyd Christmas |
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First, I don't question Gary's intentions, I am saying that he could not possibly be fully objective given the facts. Second, I would refrain from using the word "secret" in your post. It has a connotation of sinister or somehow conniving. Please just use blind tastings as that is what they are. Finally, if you read my post carefully, the fact that WS sells wines is an inherant contradiction with judging wines. As a result, to somewhat remedy this, they taste blind. *********************** "I have drunk not to the clouding of my reason, but just so much that I can still surely distinguish the syllables with my tongue." Athenaeus |
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Again....How true it is. Keep up the good work Gary. So much wine.....so little time!!! |
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Just to clarify Mimik's statement, while we do have advertising in our magazine and on WineSpectator.com, Wine Spectator does not sell wines.
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It was not my intention to call a blind taste a "Secret" taste it is my intention to show the difference between Gary and WS. WS may blind taste their wines, but how do I know this for sure? Again, I'm just playing devil's advocate here. Gary tastes right in front of you and WS is tasted in a back room, blind or not. |
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and lastly.... Fact #6: None of you are paying for his opinion, so if you don't like it, don't think twice about it, and take your frustration over to a political forum where you do pay for it, whether you like it or not. So much wine.....so little time!!! |
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Glenn - I completely agree with you and have asked Gary to blind taste in the past, but I do feel the argument is the same. |
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This back and forth stinks, Please and I am serious lets establish this Wine Spectator rocks, they have help the wine world in many ways, #2 Robert Parker a Legend, honest and amazing, #3 I know who I am and who my parents raised, I know I took care of my $$$ well being a long time ago and i Know why I started WLTV, I soooooooo Know why people would say I am biased and I really appreciate the support of people who care/know me. Bottom Line is this I just hope that in any small way I have helped wine in this country and if I have I am thrilled and I hope everyone can get along, there is no US vs. Them, we are all on the same team
 Stay well everyone!trust YOUR palate. tv.winelibrary.com |
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One thing we know for sure.....Vaynerchuk is a post padder.
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Gary, I think most of the grief you are catching is from Giants bandwagoners who know that you are an outspoken Jets fan.
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Mimik,
Well said, and how could I have forgotten! I spoke too soon, as I sometimes do. You're right in that non-wine related politics tend to upset the food chain 'round here. Heck, in an election year, I've been biting my fingers for weeks now, .-IB PSA: Please report gratuitous trolling/flaming immediately (little triangle at bottom right). |
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Gary You say it from the heart! Carry on please...I like your enthusiasm for wine. These BB's can be a tough place, however, I do feel your approach has opened up the wine perspective for some. I loved your session on 2005 Chateau Angelus follwed by a cheese tasting. I especially appreciate your comments on Bordeaux's. Looking forward to more! Trev |
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Yup, he's still a salesman. I do think however Gary would make it great in politics, and I don't mean that as a slam, but he might have to get rid of the sniffy sniffy!
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This is just sad. Gary tastes the wine right in front of me, but I don't know if he tries to shake down the winemaker for a good score prior to the tasting. I'm just playing devil's advocate here, so posting my conspiracy theory must be worthwhile. |
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