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To FloridaWino and others who've mentioned the price of a site subscription:
Membership to WineSpectator.com costs $49.95 for one year -- not $99; if you buy an online membership jointly with a membership subscription, you get the two for $75.
We are not charging you to comment on the restaurants in our program. As printed on our free Restaurant Awards page and in the Restaurant Awards issue of the magazine: "If you have any comments regarding your experience at one of our award-winning restaurants, contact us at restaurantawards [at] mshanken.com." You are welcome to provide feedback at any time, whether or not you are site member.
As James points out, the reason that the online restaurant comments are only available to members is because that is the only way we can verify real names and prevent anonymous posters from slamming their competitors or other inappropriate behavior that does not provide useful information to our customers. But this is an ancillary part of membership--which includes access to entire database of tasting notes, the Personal Wine List tool, the auction price database, the Insider and Advance newsletters and more original content and services.
Dana Nigro
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| Posts: 13 | Location: New York | Registered: Apr 19, 2002 | |
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Ne Kulturny has some good points here - certainly the Goldstein scam was over the top and designed simply to sell books and a website - it was easy for him to take the 2003 NY Times article on the awards and play this game with WS. On the other hand, WS needs to take this seriously too - understand that you have egg on your face and your credibility is in question, not only on the wine list awards but also on wine reviews. Acting like the victim here will not win you friends. An honest apology and assessment/revision of how the awards are given is in order. There are too many holes in the restaurant wine list award process (e.g. not revisiting winners on a regular basis), and the bluster of acting like you're the injured party here will not help you. I think WS needs to publish revised, rigid guidelines that they will follow in the future, or these awards are in danger of being seen in the same suspicious light as medals from wine competitions.
Mark Koppen
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quote: Businesses such as restaurants, for obvious reasons, have a vested interest in embellishing their images online.
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| Posts: 1644 | Location: CONNECTICUT | Registered: Oct 19, 2001 | |
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For years I was a "Regional Correspondent" for Beckett Hockey Card Price Guide. In fact they may still list me in the magazine. Every month I sent them my inventory list of prices, plus what had sold and at what price. This was very little burden to me, as I simply made them a copy of a list I already kept. Every now and then I'd get an email asking about prices I was seeing on particular cards, players or sets and I'd answer the questions. I asked for and was offered no compensation for the 'job'. The only reward was they printed my name in the magazine every month. I don't want to come off like some and try and outline an awards program for James and Thomas. It does though seem that WS has enough loyal, interested readers, forum members and potential contributors to put some sort of low cost, live check/verification system in place. I know that in the course of a year, yhn, Dave Tong and I could verify all the Award winners in the San Jose Area, without making a special trip, or I think ask for any compensation from WS. Something as simple as a checklist of items to check and wine list copy of what was submitted, and in the course of our regular dinning out we could verify all the award candidates. There is of course overhead cost and administration for this for WS, I don't doubt this, even if the regional 'checkers' are not paid, but it is a solution that would have caught this scam.
Paul Romero (tlily)- Owner, Winemaker, Tour Guide
Stefania Wine
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| Posts: 5725 | Location: San Jose | Registered: May 24, 2002 | |
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how many restaurants do the wine spectator staff go to during a year? I'd assume these guys (gals) are serious about their wine and recognize good service and lists when they see it. So, its not like they would need to go out and 'inspect' all 1000 of the places, they've already had a staff member at most of the places anyway.
yes the victime doesn't get all the blame, but one shouldn't be so quick to write out 100B checks to failed lenders who's weak lending practices put them in the prediciment in the first place. I think lending practices and wine award integrity comparisons are better anaolgies than wine awards and violent crime.
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| Posts: 110 | Location: Minneapolis | Registered: Aug 01, 2002 | |
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quote: Originally posted by cuffthis:
It may help you to lower your level of crankiness also.
Just realistic. Feel free to continue the endless self-promotion.
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quote: Originally posted by James Molesworth:
Florida Wino: The Forums here are free - start a thread re: Café Chardonnay and there you go.
Don't get me started on Cafe Chardonnay!
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quote: Originally posted by Gigond Ass: quote: Originally posted by cuffthis: quote: Originally posted by James Molesworth:
To Florida Wino and others who say we're not responding re: the process involved...
I'm sorry I don't get it - we've listed the judging criteria and explained how we go about things. The magazine article which accompanies the listing clearly states the numbers on who got rejected, etc. The website here provides all the pertinent info on the program...
What am I missing here?
James, Most people think that the award process consists solely of a cursory read of the submitted wine list. That's it. I think WS could really help itself with a thorough answer, such as this (hypothetical) one: 1. Wine lists submitted for consideration in our awards program are given to our awards panel. 2. The awards panel consists of ___ number of people. 3. The panel members qualifications are ________________. 4. The panel reviews each submitted wine list for accuracy, number of selections, etc. 5. A panel member compares the submitted wine list to the actual one on the applicant's web site. Any material differences result in a telephone call to the applicant. Non response by the applicant usually results in the application being rejected. 6. A panel member compares the submitted menu to the submitted wine list to provide assurance the wine list pairs with the food. 7. A panel member calls the restaurant to confirm all the data submitted is accurate before it is published. Non response from the applicant will cause the wine list to be rejected. 8. A panel member goes a Google search to find additional relevant information about the applicant's wine program. Substantial negative information is considered when evaluating the wine list for an award. 9. The whole evaluation process, in general takes about ______________ minutes (hours) for each wine list. 10. other I think you get my point. I want to make it clear that I want to see the WS Awards be the best they can be. That's why I wrote to you in the first place and offered constructive comments for positive changes to the program, not simply complaints. Thanks, Tom
You really ought to just shut up. I too am growing weary of your out and out shilling of your business on this site......
BINGO!
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quote: Originally posted by cuffthis: quote: Originally posted by Gigond Ass:
I personally wouldn't spend a thin dime in your establishment.
How do you know my establishment even exists? 
You keep reminding us ad nauseum and made a huge point of announcing when you arrived. Your self-promotion began with your arrival.
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| Posts: 1652 | Location: Brooklyn, Prospect Heights | Registered: Aug 06, 2006 | |
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quote: Originally posted by mareff: a la Tbird.... 
w/kim crawford sauv blanc? |
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quote: Originally posted by wineismylife:
Hey Seaquam, add ryanopaz to your list of fly by gumbas.
FWIW, Ryan is a very well respected blogger who has been blogging away on Spanish wines for 4-5 years.
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It rhymes with wine...
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| Posts: 440 | Location: Seattle, WA | Registered: Oct 14, 2004 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Board-O: quote: Originally posted by James Molesworth:
Florida Wino: The Forums here are free - start a thread re: Café Chardonnay and there you go.
Don't get me started on Cafe Chardonnay!
I used that e-mail address and let them have it. Cafe C is the pits, and lives only in their past glory. To be blunt it sucks. To think they are only 1/2 mile from my house, but I still go roaring past.
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Ed Bowers
Live simply, Laugh often, Wine a lot!!!
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| Posts: 2810 | Location: Palm Beach Gardens FL | Registered: Nov 05, 2001 | |
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quote: Membership to WineSpectator.com costs $49.95 for one year -- not $99; if you buy an online membership jointly with a membership subscription, you get the two for $75.
Kindly provide form, link etc as I am a subscriber to mag.
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Ed Bowers
Live simply, Laugh often, Wine a lot!!!
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| Posts: 2810 | Location: Palm Beach Gardens FL | Registered: Nov 05, 2001 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Florida Wino: quote: Originally posted by Board-O:
Don't get me started on Cafe Chardonnay!
I used that e-mail address and let them have it. Cafe C is the pits, and lives only in their past glory. To be blunt it sucks. To think they are only 1/2 mile from my house, but I still go roaring past.
You said it. We used to love the place.
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quote: Originally posted by Eric LeVine:
FWIW, Ryan is a very well respected blogger who has been blogging away on Spanish wines for 4-5 years.
Then why the hit and run, and not more substantive debate? Was it because due to his status as a blogger, he felt wronged by my accusation of laziness in the blogosphere? (And don't forget folks, I have a blog myself)... yet here I am, trying to do a decent give and take - not name calling or firing off a one-time snarky post... if he thinks I painted with too broad a brush, he could say that, and I would understand his point...and at the same time he might also understand how I've been feeling since this whole debacle broke...
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quote: Originally posted by Florida Wino:
Kindly provide form, link etc as I am a subscriber to mag.
Just a click away from the home page, here.
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quote: Originally posted by mountainman: geez, I post 1 popcorn eating emoticon and you guys go crazy with it 
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| Posts: 1660 | Location: Park City, Utah | Registered: Dec 05, 2001 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Board-O: quote: Originally posted by Florida Wino: quote: Originally posted by Board-O:
Don't get me started on Cafe Chardonnay!
I used that e-mail address and let them have it. Cafe C is the pits, and lives only in their past glory. To be blunt it sucks. To think they are only 1/2 mile from my house, but I still go roaring past.
You said it. We used to love the place.
Thanks to Jim M. Now on line. I gave CC a 1 star. Treveni 5 stars in Palm Beach. Others I'll rate later as I have not been to River House is a year. Was real bad wine service onthat occassion. Warm, had the servevers, and they spilled part of it
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| Posts: 2810 | Location: Palm Beach Gardens FL | Registered: Nov 05, 2001 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Eric LeVine: quote: Originally posted by wineismylife:
Hey Seaquam, add ryanopaz to your list of fly by gumbas.
FWIW, Ryan is a very well respected blogger who has been blogging away on Spanish wines for 4-5 years.
Maybe so but I don't like it one bit when all of these yo-yos come crawling out of the woodwork and sign up just to take a shot at this site or one of it's editors that actively participates here on a regular basis. They're fly by night hit and run artists. Let him stick around for a awhile and contribute something positive to the site. Then I'll ease up on my statements.
Joe
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Wine is like potato chips around me...if it's open, it's gone.
Come visit me sometime at http://www.winexiles.com/
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| Posts: 9882 | Location: Arlington, Texas | Registered: Aug 30, 2002 | |
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quote: Originally posted by wineismylife:
Maybe so but I don't like it one bit when all of these yo-yos come crawling out of the woodwork and sign up just to take a shot at this site or one of it's editors that actively participates here on a regular basis.
Well-spoken
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quote: I gave CC a 1 star. Treveni 5 stars in Palm Beach.
Yaaaayyyy!! The system at work. As I said on another thread on this topic, unless and until WS changes the system, this is the best we can do. Everyone here seems to have an opinion on restaurants that don't deserve awards, but hardly anyone takes the time to warn your fellow wine lovers. If we all spent 1/10 of the time we spend here chatting over at the restaurant section adding comments, this website might actually have a meaningful restaurant section. |
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| Posts: 1644 | Location: CONNECTICUT | Registered: Oct 19, 2001 | |
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Wow, leave on business for a few days and look at what I missed.
I don't get why WS is being hammered here and an eBob. I'll admit that the restaurant issue is probably my least favorite as it has the least amount of content on wine, but it isn't that big of a deal. If it matters that much to you, don't subscribe or don't read it. WS publishes their criteria...if you think it is insufficent then see my above comment.
And the guy who set up the hoax is a schmuck.
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| Posts: 1153 | Location: Chico, CA | Registered: Oct 22, 2006 | |
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