Originally posted by SLJ: It's funny, not supriseing my other user name (with a negatine comment doesn't work any more.Typical WS bs. Here's the deal, if you hace one question about the integrety on WS then do your home work contact people that are really into wine or the business and speak with them about there rateings and there advertizing practices. Enyone who is serious about wine knnow WS is for posers(looks good on the coffee table) and beginners. The thought that anyone would think otherwise simply says exactly that. Be strong my @#$! How about except who you are. A cash cow. Nothing wrong with that so why draw a stick figure picture and call it a Picasso?? Exibit A: Decanter Magazine. Sorry to inform all the WS beleivers. Have a glass of your Cab, Merlot,chardonnay or white zinfandel you got from the super market that WS recommended of course and realize.
What the F was that...
I thought his posts were quite incisive for a first time poster.
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Originally posted by SLJ: Hey Machine. THERE WASN"T A RESTURANT, Of course they need to make money if there was one. The issue in my opinion is I don't feel that the average hard working citizen that buys a WS mag see's a review on a wine or a resturant and goes there or buys that because of it should be hugely disappointed because the WS wanted to make money dishonestly. Thats like the emails we all get that say you won a million dollars just send $29.99 for the process fee. They have been doing this for years. Shame on them and the best thing they could do is realize and start offering a good product for fair price. Either that or quit trying to put lipstick on a pig!
-------------------- "One may dislike carrots, spinach, beetroot, or the skin on hot milk. But not wine. It is like hating the air that one breathes, since each is equally indispensable."
Marcel Ayme`
Posts: 6952 | Location: The Left Coast | Registered: Dec 01, 2001
Originally posted by SLJ: It's funny, not supriseing my other user name (with a negatine comment doesn't work any more.Typical WS bs. Here's the deal, if you hace one question about the integrety on WS then do your home work contact people that are really into wine or the business and speak with them about there rateings and there advertizing practices. Enyone who is serious about wine knnow WS is for posers(looks good on the coffee table) and beginners. The thought that anyone would think otherwise simply says exactly that. Be strong my @#$! How about except who you are. A cash cow. Nothing wrong with that so why draw a stick figure picture and call it a Picasso?? Exibit A: Decanter Magazine. Sorry to inform all the WS beleivers. Have a glass of your Cab, Merlot,chardonnay or white zinfandel you got from the super market that WS recommended of course and realize.
In addition to the obscene number of blatantly obvious spelling errors already identified, there is one of my pet-peeve grammar mistakes. To which I say - Learn the language if you want any credibility!!
Being a relative newbie here I am amazed by the one-hit-wonders on this topic. I feel like I am rubber necking on a highway with a car wreck with these idiots.
There are days when I do miss the entertainment over here.
Some good posts by Brad Coelho, Brian Loring, GA, BO, WIML, DnV...keep 'em coming.
It's very simple really. The awards are based on a wine list, as submitted by the restaurants. If I'm headed to a city I've not been before, I'll check out the list and make some phone calls. The responsibility is mine. I am not going to run around blaming the WS for my choice. Have you no sense of personal responsibility? The award list issue is a great service to the readers. Don't change a thing.
To some of you one timers...to say the wine ratings cannot be trusted is moronic. Seriously. Here's a thought for all of you questioning WS reviewing wines from wineries that also buy ad space. Find a nice glossy in the current issue, pick one - there's lots. Go buy the bottle the ad tells you to, open it and have a glass. Write a TN and score the wine. Check the review. Does your note compare? If your palate is aligned with a critic's, the ad space purchased is irrelevant, is it not?
Kudos to the WS, Mr. Matthews, Mr. Molesworth, et al. Don't change a thing. Goldstein is a tool. As are many of those who crawled out from underneath their rocks.
_______________________________________________________________________ Wine is passion. It is family and friends, warmth of heart, and generosity of spirit. ~ Robert Mondavi
Posts: 297 | Location: St. Charles, IL | Registered: Dec 26, 2002
Originally posted by SLJ: I don't drink I taste and you my friend you should do some homework or just stay ignorant. Most dishonest businesses WS make the majority of there money off, guess who?? You. Keep paying there bills.
Have you talked to your brother in Minnesota today?
Originally posted by Frank Marino & Mahogany Rush Limbaugh: While I have disagreed with almost everything you have posted Machine, you are now safe. I think I will leave you alone now, there is a new toy to play with.
Geez...I wouldn't even know where to start...
"No TV and no beer make Homer...something, something"
Originally posted by SLJ: I don't drink I taste and you my friend you should do some homework or just stay ignorant. Most dishonest businesses WS make the majority of there money off, guess who?? You. Keep paying there bills.
oh god, please learn to construct a proper thought before posting. I have no idea what the f you just said.
Posts: 3652 | Location: NYC | Registered: Feb 16, 2007
Originally posted by SLJ: Anyone who doesn't agree either is uneducated about the wine world or is working for WS.
grunhauser...... is that you?
-------------------- "One may dislike carrots, spinach, beetroot, or the skin on hot milk. But not wine. It is like hating the air that one breathes, since each is equally indispensable."
Marcel Ayme`
Posts: 6952 | Location: The Left Coast | Registered: Dec 01, 2001
Originally posted by SLJ: I don't drink I taste and you my friend you should do some homework or just stay ignorant. Most dishonest businesses WS make the majority of there money off, guess who?? You. Keep paying there bills.
oh god, please learn to construct a proper thought before posting. I have no idea what the f you just said.
I think someone is pulling the board's leg.
"No TV and no beer make Homer...something, something"
Originally posted by SLJ: Hey Machine. THERE WASN"T A RESTURANT, Of course they need to make money if there was one. The issue in my opinion is I don't feel that the average hard working citizen that buys a WS mag see's a review on a wine or a resturant and goes there or buys that because of it should be hugely disappointed because the WS wanted to make money dishonestly. Thats like the emails we all get that say you won a million dollars just send $29.99 for the process fee. They have been doing this for years. Shame on them and the best thing they could do is realize and start offering a good product for fair price. Either that or quit trying to put lipstick on a pig!
Originally posted by SLJ: I don't drink I taste and you my friend you should do some homework or just stay ignorant. Most dishonest businesses WS make the majority of there money off, guess who?? You. Keep paying there bills.
oh god, please learn to construct a proper thought before posting. I have no idea what the f you just said.
Come on g-man, you can't follow the run on sentence and grammatical mistakes here?? Clearly SLJ is saying...is saying...okay I have no idea what the F he is trying to say...
Originally posted by SLJ: I don't drink I taste and you my friend you should do some homework or just stay ignorant. Most dishonest businesses WS make the majority of there money off, guess who?? You. Keep paying there bills.
oh god, please learn to construct a proper thought before posting. I have no idea what the f you just said.
Come on g-man, you can't follow the run on sentence and grammatical mistakes here?? Clearly SLJ is saying...is saying...okay I have no idea what the F he is trying to say...
2 bottles of wine afterwards never helps comprehension.
Posts: 3652 | Location: NYC | Registered: Feb 16, 2007
davem858 That very well could be the problem with the WS crew to worried about evrything but the wine. Thanks for the comments everyone I rest my case! Ta ta I'm off to to a tasting of wine from the chateauneuf du pape region. Enjoy the WS and those recommendations. Did I spell that correctly?
Originally posted by Machine: Hey if the tasting notes interest you, maybe the hyperbole you refer to is also your cup of pee...er, tea...
You know, I never disrespected you. I didn't call you names. I tried to respond to what I assumed was (contained somewhere in your post) a legitimate point - hyperbole aside. And then this is your response. Very sad.
Loring Wine Company
Posts: 353 | Location: Lompoc, CA, US | Registered: Feb 05, 2003
Originally posted by SLJ: davem858 That very well could be the problem with the WS crew to worried about evrything but the wine. Thanks for the comments everyone I rest my case! Ta ta I'm off to to a tasting of wine from the chateauneuf du pape region. Enjoy the WS and those recommendations. Did I spell that correctly?
dipsht .. the region is rhone ...
Posts: 3652 | Location: NYC | Registered: Feb 16, 2007
Originally posted by SLJ: It's funny, not supriseing my other user name (with a negatine comment doesn't work any more.Typical WS bs. Here's the deal, if you hace one question about the integrety on WS then do your home work contact people that are really into wine or the business and speak with them about thererateings and there advertizing practices. Enyone who is serious about wine knnow WS is for posers(looks good on the coffee table) and beginners. The thought that anyone would think otherwise simply says exactly that. Be strong my @#$! How about except who you are. A cash cow. Nothing wrong with that so why draw a stick figure picture and call it a Picasso?? Exibit A: Decanter Magazine. Sorry to inform all the WS beleivers. Have a glass of your Cab, Merlot,chardonnay or white zinfandel you got from the super market that WS recommended of course and realize.
Had to add my edited version of this trainwreck as well. Wait, did he say he hadn't been drinking??
Originally posted by SLJ: davem858 That very well could be the problem with the WS crew to worried about evrything but the wine. Thanks for the comments everyone I rest my case! Ta ta I'm off to to a tasting of wine from the chateauneuf du pape region. Enjoy the WS and those recommendations. Did I spell that correctly?
Ironically, your posts have proved you are the one not focused on the wine. And based on your comments I'm guessing you probably aren't really "tasting" anything from the "chateauneuf du pape region" which, last time I checked, isn't actually defined as such.
Most of us here tried to make this about the wine. The one-hit-wonders wanted to make this about journalistic integrity (an oxymoron in my book). WS never mislead anyone about what these ratings were about. Perhaps the uneducated may have been deceived. Frankly I am tired of looking out for the ignorant public. As has been stated here ad nauseum, nobody should be relying solely on these "awards" to determine where they plan on dining. It is merely a starting point. Move the F on already and go to your artificially created "chateauneuf du pape region" tasting.
Given WS's version, it seems apparent that Mr. Goldstein pulled off an elaborate hoax. Was it altruistic in nature wanting to highlight the perceived inadequacies of the WS restaurant wine awards or was it a stunt purely based on self-interest as a means to create a stunt to promote awareness of his book?
Given the fact that only 15 wines of the 200+ submitted were rated poorly by WS, it is quite clear that Mr. Goldstein knowingly and intentionally created a deception for WS ultimately for his own self-interest and there is nothing altruistic or noble about that. It was a fraudulent action on his part.
That being said, his actions do highlight a necessity I believe to review the accuracy and purpose of the WS restaurant wine awards and better scrutinize past, present and future recipients of the award. It is unfortunate that such an incident occurred but hopefully, some constructive change will come of it. It is not the first time that these awards have come under scrutiny on these boards.
*********************** "I have drunk not to the clouding of my reason, but just so much that I can still surely distinguish the syllables with my tongue." Athenaeus
Posts: 3389 | Location: montreal | Registered: Feb 21, 2004
Go buy the bottle the ad tells you to, open it and have a glass. Write a TN and score the wine. Check the review. Does your note compare? If your palate is aligned with a critic's, the ad space purchased is irrelevant, is it not?
