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Originally posted by Happy CSW:

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Originally posted by Happy CSW:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by indybob:
Ok, here's some more. Anybody care to hook me up with some Parker scores?

Clerc Milon 92
Duhart Milon 94
Leo. Poyferre 93
Bahans (Haut Brion-second label) 89
Petit Bocq (a bit obscure) 88-90
Guiraud 91

Cool! Thanks for the hookup.

any score for

carmes haut brion
clos des jacobin
lynch bages

...?

2005 Les Carmes Haut Brion 92 Young

2005 Clos des Jacobins 91 Early

2005 Lynch Bages 91 Early

lynch bages is going to have a hard time in coming years with their pricing with scores like this

Lynch Bages has underperformed since 2001 onward.

What about the Barsac and Sauternes? Any big winners?

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Originally posted by cb1:
Lynch Bages has underperformed since 2001 onward.

The WS score of 93 looked promising for them but RP might have set it straight. Unfortunately, the density of the 05's might make it difficult to fully assess them at such a young age, IMO. Not that Lynch Bages has produced such a wine for '05.

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Originally posted by cb1:
Lynch Bages has underperformed since 2001 onward.

Is this just another one of your guesses?

I love some of the speculators over on ebob that are crying about the lack of 98-100 pt. scores, and about how they won't get the return on investment they were hoping for. I think Bob nailed this vintage for the most part. The value is in the middle and w/ the sleepers. He also gave props to the fruit bombs (the Pavie's, Troplong, Larcis, Pape Clement, etc.)....to be expected, but not exactly my style. It was a fun day waiting and watching it unfold.

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Originally posted by Mimik:
Is this just another one of your guesses?

Put that question ("has lynch bages performed to expectations/above expectations/under expections after 2000?") out on a separate thread and we'll see what the consensus is.

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Originally posted by Mimik:
Is this just another one of your guesses?


Put that question ("has lynch bages performed to expectations/above expectations/under expections after 2000?") out on a separate thread and we'll see what the consensus is.

If you simply look at price vs. scores then it's pretty obvious. IMO

any score on Batailley?

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Originally posted by Stefania Wine:
I fell a bit like I'm watching TMZ to get the latest Britney Spears update.

That makes two of us. I think I actually heard somebody in this thread pee on themselves when the scores were finally released.

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Originally posted by wineismylife:

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Originally posted by Stefania Wine:
I fell a bit like I'm watching TMZ to get the latest Britney Spears update.

That makes two of us. I think I actually heard somebody in this thread pee on themselves when the scores were finally released.

So cb1 really is Fergie!

I'm glad he didn't give really high scores to some of the wines I liked (such as Rouget or Dauzac)....the problem is, when wines in my inventory get 96-100, they appreciate $$$ to the point where I'd rather sell them or trade them and get something else for less $$$.

For example, I really like Malescot, and at $55/futures I'd drink. Now, at $150+ I'll most likely trade it for three bottles of Dauzac.

I really can't tell the difference anyway between a 92 pt and 97 pt wine! Rather spend the $100 on dinner and have someone else cook for me.

Cheers.

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Originally posted by wineismylife:

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Originally posted by Stefania Wine:
I fell a bit like I'm watching TMZ to get the latest Britney Spears update.

That makes two of us.

You guys actually watch TMZ?

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Originally posted by dr.darkrichandbold:
I love some of the speculators over on ebob that are crying about the lack of 98-100 pt. scores, and about how they won't get the return on investment they were hoping for.

This is the post of the thread. Reminds me of folks that invested their life savings into Enron the day before the ball dropped.

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OK, I wont lie. Post scores I went out to my CC and got drunk. I drank alot of 05 RP just boned. It was liberating. Funny part was my Somellier just bought 5 cases from me of my 05 futures and I made money. sad part was he did not know today RP released the pigeons. I dumped alot of trash tonight. but the best part was I drank with 6 of my buds some of my 05 hype. It was good but I was so pissed I could not enjoy it, I think? They tell me it was good, even through my sadness, and I should not have sold. Well, I did and it was cathartic. I feeel better. We drank an 05's. I will emerge a better person, but I have to say these wines gave me pleasure tonight, but my disappointment was palpable. None the less, I shared with my brethern and they thought I was nuts for doing so.............but the scores did hurt me, until tonight. Tonight, made me feel better. I found peace. After the wine, it was good even if the returns wont be. It was a fun evening of wine therapy.

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Originally posted by Foghorn Leghorn

This is the post of the thread. Reminds me of folks that invested their life savings into Enron the day before the ball dropped.

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OK, I wont lie. Post scores I went out to my CC and got drunk. I drank alot of 05 RP just boned. It was liberating. Funny part was my Somellier just bought 5 cases from me of my 05 futures and I made money. sad part was he did not know today RP released the pigeons. I dumped alot of trash tonight. but the best part was I drank with 6 of my buds some of my 05 hype. It was good but I was so pissed I could not enjoy it, I think? They tell me it was good, even through my sadness, and I should not have sold. Well, I did and it was cathartic. I feeel better. We drank an 05's. I will emerge a better person, but I have to say these wines gave me pleasure tonight, but my disappointment was palpable. None the less, I shared with my brethern and they thought I was nuts for doing so.............but the scores did hurt me, until tonight. Tonight, made me feel better. I found peace. After the wine, it was good even if the returns wont be. It was a fun evening of wine therapy.

I don't know if the poster, by the name S Kruse(screws-get it) is for real but I doubt it. Otherwise, to sell off wine that RP downgraded to an unsuspecting friend Sommelier would put him in line not only for the biggest troll of the year but the biggest piece of you-know-what of the year as well.

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Originally posted by GlennK:
Parkers note on Pontet-Canet says it has “an Arnold Schwartzenegger-like structure (when he was 25 years younger)”. I think Parker has been watching WLTV.

What was its score?

I don't know if I missed it but what did the Lascombes end up getting?

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Originally posted by Mr Cabernet:

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Originally posted by GlennK:
Parkers note on Pontet-Canet says it has “an Arnold Schwartzenegger-like structure (when he was 25 years younger)”. I think Parker has been watching WLTV.

What was its score?

Same as WS

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Originally posted by Sticky2:
I don't know if I missed it but what did the Lascombes end up getting?

95

Actually WS scored Lascombes 93.

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Originally posted by dr.darkrichandbold:
Actually WS scored Lascombes 93.

I think he was asking about Bob's score.

Most of the wines that I purchased look to have done quite well, some not as well as I expected given Parker's blabbings over the past 2 years, but I am pretty happy (except a few wines that I expected to be cancelling from my LCBO order might now have to be purchased, i.e. clos fourtet...did not like it at UGC tasting, but given tasting notes I might have been off, if not then I will put them up for sale at the annual auction sometime in the future).

That being said, the scoring overall surprised me, was a bit lower than I expected (given Parker's blabbings), and the notes that I have read seem to have a subtly different tone than his prior sets of tasting notes. I personally don't like the way that he writes, too legaleze (i.e. too much hedging), and seems to me that the hedge was called in (and I am basing this on my impression of the overall tone of the notes and not specific wordings in specific notes...and once I see all of the notes and compare to his prior notes I will either correct myself or mentally note some specific examples).

I care about QPR, and try to figure this out from notes + scores (+ my tasting experience, if any). I made buying decisions based on notes + scores from multiple sources, and I think I did pretty well with 05 futures. I will be cancelling a good chunk of my LCBO futures orders (not nearly as much as I thought...I knew I was in trouble after the UGC tasting, really loved a bunch of wines tasted). I don't regret any of my purchases (regret not purchasing more of several). In theory I don't care a bit about any individual wine scores from any individual human, especially if I liked a wine, but since most of us do not get to taste many of these before we buy we need to rely on professionals....and I think that Parker's exuberance over the last 2 years SLIGHTLY outweighed his final scores/notes, and for those that feel somewhat mislead I don't blame them, mainly because many wordings in his earlier notes were carefully chosen to be overly optimistic...but of course speculation is a part of any tasting of any non-mature wine. I don't see any dishonesty on Parker's part, but obviously many people who read those notes expected slightly higher scores. Sure all tasting notes are just a guess, all of them could change at any time, we all know this and should not be surprised if any go up or down, especially at this early stage.

To be clear, I was anticipating these notes from Parker in order to find out if a highly respected wine professional opined that the wines that I purchased were as good as I thought they might be...I don't care about high scores for selling (I might sell some that I don't want to keep/go up in price beyong my comfortable drinking range...but I bought 100% to drink, any possibility of selling would be an afterthought and apply to a very small minority of my wines). In most cases his final notes confirmed that I had made some good purchases, in terms of my preferred tastes/styles, and in terms of the price I paid when I bought vs. the price I would have to pay now (if I did not buy early, 40% of what I bought would now be well out of my price range). I am happy about this. What I am not so pleased about is my perception that the vintage overall is currently rated slightly lower than many prior expectations, and my opinion is that earlier discussions recklessly (but SLIGHTLY) overhyped the vintage, given final notes/scores...which teaches me a lesson that most of you probably already know, i.e. read everything with a big grain of salt (but this was my first futures foray, so maybe I can't be blamed for being surprised...for the many unhappy veterans on the Squires board, I am not so sure that they should be so surprised).