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Where is the uncivilized part of your state?

Chino. . . . . . . . . . . . .

Careful, indybob, I think we have a forumite who runs a wine bar in Chino....

Is it upwind from the world's largest feedlot?

It must really affect one's sense of smell, because they can't smell the tobacco smoke on themselves anymore.
There are two women smokers in my building that I can actually smell before they arrive in my office. Geez, it must be coming out their pores. I hate getting trapped on an elevator with them.

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How does smoking marijuana affect your palate?

I am not an expert but I have heard from several Doctors that it opens up your taste buds. Some quick google searches will point you in the right direction. This is one of the reasons food tastes better when you are stoned.

Try it for yourself I suppose is the best answer. It really depends on the individual and some people may pick up certain nuances to the wine they did not earlier. I have a stoner friend who never liked wine until he tried it stoned.

There is no way cigarettes can enhance a wine, only mask it. Marijuana is a completely different thing, and it could potentially enhance the experience. It depends what you are smoking and how, bong, cigarette, pipe, hookah, vaporizer, you get the picture.

I doubt smoking crack would make a wine any better.

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I smoke ever three minutes and my palate is still better than a half starved dodo bird.

Nasty stuff - smoking kills both the nose and the palate.

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Originally posted by mneeley490:
It must really affect one's sense of smell, because they can't smell the tobacco smoke on themselves anymore.
There are two women smokers in my building that I can actually smell before they arrive in my office. Geez, it must be coming out their pores. I hate getting trapped on an elevator with them.

There's nothing better than inhaling the perfume of "bar smell" on a woman

My favorite part is the whining and bitching that comes from the "smoking is stinky" crowd. But the rude generalizations about smokers are fun too.

I always smoke when drinking wine (and before, and after). Of course I always go outdoors and I am mindful of those around me who may be sensitive (or hyper-sensitive) about cigarette smoke. I can't stand to have the smell on my clothes or in my hair, and I think those people who allow themselves to marinade in stale tobacco smoke are as lacking in social graces as someone who fails to check his B.O.

There is no doubt smoking affects the senses of smell and taste. Just as foods change a wine's percievable characteristics, so does smoking. Maybe this explains my penchant for overly-oaked spicy reds.

In defense of smokers and smoking, I have met some of the finest and most social people in designated smoking areas. And you almost never hear them making petty remarks about other people. We're a very inclusive and accepting lot of addicts.

I'm ducking now.

(Removed my post... I'm staying away from this thread! Sing with me, "I get too emotional, baby...")

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(Removed my post... I'm staying away from this thread! Sing with me, "I get too emotional, baby...")

Whitney Houston! Nice! Maybe these needs to go in the best debut album thread! -mJ

smokers don't bother me, but now that I no longer smoke, I can smell it a mile away!!

I’m glad you posted Ozarks21. I always feel for the smokers when someone makes a general dig that “smoking sucks”. I think if most smokers were as mindful of their surroundings as you appear to be, there wouldn’t be so many petty comments made.

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I think if most smokers were as mindful of their surroundings as you appear to be, there wouldn’t be so many petty comments made.

Nice thought, but don't kid yourself. Yeah, there would.

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I think if most smokers were as mindful of their surroundings as you appear to be, there wouldn’t be so many petty comments made.

Nice thought, but don't kid yourself. Yeah, there would.

Correct, if all smokers were mindful of their surroundings the anti-smoking nazis would merely wander into the distant location the mindful smokers had chosen so that they could be able to launch a complaint.

They could be in the middle of a 30 square mile field and the anti smoking nazis would merely start finding the middle of that field an attractive place to take a walk.

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Nasty stuff - smoking kills both the nose and the palate.

So what's your excuse?

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I think if most smokers were as mindful of their surroundings as you appear to be, there wouldn’t be so many petty comments made.

Nice thought, but don't kid yourself. Yeah, there would.

Correct, if all smokers were mindful of their surroundings the anti-smoking nazis would merely wander into the distant location the mindful smokers had chosen so that they could be able to launch a complaint.

They could be in the middle of a 30 square mile field and the anti smoking nazis would merely start finding the middle of that field an attractive place to take a walk.

LOL

Chilepepper, the embodiment of the stereotype. Congrats.

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Chilepepper, the embodiment of the stereotype. Congrats.

Not really a 'stereotype, Lentini. I'm not one to support much of anything Chilepepper says () but this time I can't resist. He's not saying all non-smokers act like this. But I will assure, my friend, the 'anti smoking Nazis' DO exist, and he's right on regarding this one!

No, no, being one (anti-smoking nazi), I know they exist. I was saying he's coming across as the typical smoker that anti-smoking nazis rail against. The woe-is-me-I-can't-believe-I-have-to-go-outside-to-smoke-my-only-revenge-is-to-smoke-in-the-next-most-annoying-place-I-can-find-to-get-a-little-revenge-for-being-inconvenienced-while-peacefully-engaging-in-my-addiction type.

Actually KSC hit right on the head.

I actually support 99% of indoor smoking restrictions, though I think cigar bars and/or smoking clubs should be allowed. I can't stand smoke in confined spaces. I used to hate going to a restaurant and having to smell it. The "non smoking" section always seemed to be overtaken by the "smoking" section.

I really was referring to those who would go out of their way to cause problems. Same type of people that walk into their neighbors yards, areas not visible to the street to find something to complain about to the HOA.

How come no one smokes pipes anymore? Yes, they will kill you and those around you, too, but they do smell so much better than cigs. Is it the Hobbit stigma?

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Actually KSC hit right on the head.

I actually support 99% of indoor smoking restrictions, though I think cigar bars and/or smoking clubs should be allowed. I can't stand smoke in confined spaces. I used to hate going to a restaurant and having to smell it. The "non smoking" section always seemed to be overtaken by the "smoking" section.

Don't you think the owner of the business should make that call? Require them to post a sign that warns people that smoking is permitted inside. Then any health risk is taken knowingly. I cannot understand the desire of people to impose their personal preferences at the expense of private property rights.

And since this thread has drifted so far from a wine topic, I would include wine bars in this opinion.

Lentini, you are doing your best to prove Chiepeppers example correct. Remember you are the one that went off topic to through the first stone at the smokers.

I was the first to admit to being a card-carrying member espousing Chile's example. Just remember... throwing stones does less permanent damage than second hand smoke.

Let me end my input being straight up: I am of the opinion that someone's addiction to nicotine shouldn't affect me. My grandparents all died from cancer from smoking or second hand smoke being married to a smoker. I have tried time and again to ask smokers nicely to go out of their way to help avoid having their smoking affect me. Their rude reactions to what most people would think are polite and reasonable requests have turned me into a militant anti-smoker. That said... If someone is a smoker and they treat me with enough respect to not affect me with their smoking, I'm perfectly happy to be their friend and not bother them about it. I have several smoking friends who I'd jump in front of a bullet for. But I'm also the first to admit that I put cigarette companies in the same category as terrorist organizations. Low lifes who deserve a spot on the target list of a predator smart bomb. And I'm trying to tell if I'm just exaggerating to make a point, but I don't think I am. Their goal is to make a buck off people's true misery. I couldn't have less regard for them.

So that said, with such strong opinions... it's hard for me to see a smoking thread and not react. I've decided not reacting and just holding my breath when I have to walk through someone's cloud of poisonous stench is not the right thing to do.

I even have a hard time knowing Wine Spectator who gets my subscription money is directly coupled up with Cigar Afficionado. I can ignore it if I'm not forced to participate. Just like my smoking friends... Don't make me breathe it, and we're all good.

And the bottom line is that you're right... I kind of helped hijack the thread. Smokers should be able to answer the question at hand without me harrassing them. So I apologize for sticking my nose in, so to speak. Hopefully the posts to follow will be on-topic to the wine related question of how smoking affects one's wine evaluation. (At least after a short period of flame-Lentini subsides.)