Wine Spectator Online Wine Spectator Forums Wine Conversations Well that ridiculous Illinois state law passed yesterday.
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Per the ebob board. Unreal!!!
"We can share the women, we can share the wine." |
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DAMN IT!
....what law?  ......bigcabguy |
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Paging ChicagoFineWine . I bet this makes you, and your bosses quite happy for the time being.
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 Get over to Wine Library TV Blog and start following this thread. We can't let the bastards get away with it.... Joined: 26 Apr 2007 Posts: 41 Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:46 pm Post subject: Illinois Strips Shipping Rights From Wine Lovers -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yesterday the Illinois Senate Executive Committee voted 11-1 to approve HB 429 and the stripping from Illinois consumers of a right they've had for 15 years to buy wine from out of state wine stores. Today, the Senate passed HB 429 on a vote of 49-5. This bill is expected to be signed by the Governor. A variety of things became clear in both watching the testimony and testifying myself. 1. The Senators had already decided this bill should be approved 2. They had not grasp of the issues. I did however have the opportunity while testifying to ask the committee members to provide a rational explanation as to why they were set to strip Illinois consumers of a their right to have wine shipped to them from out-of-state retailers. It was the the least consumers deserve, I said. Upon asking this question of them, including the bill's sponsor in the senate, I was met with blank stares, much looking around the chamber by committee members, but in the end, not a word from any of them. The committee members yesterday were read to from the Supreme Court's Granholm decisions and explained that what they were about to do was blatantly unconstitutional as well as anti-consumer. Their response was more blank faces and silence. Those who were at the hearing yesterday who said they were in favor of the bill that stripped IL consumers of their right to purchase wine from out of state retailers were: The California Wine Institute The Associated Beer Distributors of Illinois The Wine & Spirit Wholesalers Association The Illinois beverage Merchants Association The Illinois Grape Growers and Vintners Association Those opposed included The Specialty Wine Retailers Association The Illinois Winemakers Alliance Specialty Wine Retailers Association will now look VERY closely at the best way to proceed in addressing what is a blatantly unconstitutional law. Tom Wark Specialty Wine Retailers Association twark@specialtywineretailers.org 707-935-4424 |
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What a bunch of crap this is!
My state rep voted "present", and I like to take some credit for that since I called him about 5 times. My state Senator voted "No". I didn't need to call him, he known to be opposed to this bill. ******* We'll get 'em next year! |
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How can the The California Wine Institute can back up this fuc** law??? Is that a bad joke or what? What is sure is that I'll avoid buying from Sam's and Binny's for quite some time. Screw them. This makes me sick. First foie gras, then wine...what else are they going to dictate in our life? __________________________ Detroit Red Wings: 2008 Stanley Cup Champions !! |
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Probably a variation on Bush's "Fight the fight over there, so we don't have to fight it here" routine. More cost effective for them to contribute to like-minded organizations than form their own. *********** "Never RE-elect anybody." --Keith Squier |
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Is there any list of states that allow shipping vs. one's that don't? I've just about had it with Illinois all together. I just want to sell my business and move somewhere else. Illinois, second in corruption only to Louisiana. Just reading the newspapers everyday makes my blood boil. Win an election, fire everyone who knows what they are doing and hire all your relatives on the taxpayers dime. Pass stupid laws to profit a small few and let all us suckers pay the bill.
The legislation says this bill will bring in 650,000 to 1.2 million to the state. That's a pretty small amount in the grand scheme of things. I'm sure much more than that will go into politicians pockets. F them all. I want out. |
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Free the Grapes. -------------------- "One may dislike carrots, spinach, beetroot, or the skin on hot milk. But not wine. It is like hating the air that one breathes, since each is equally indispensable." Marcel Ayme` |
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Another not so brilliant statement by a not so brilliant mind. Of course this is a bad thing so therefore since all bad things come from Bush it must be his fault. However, the Illinois Senate is Democrats: 37 Republicans: 22 and the House Democrats: 67 Republicans: 51 Do the math and explain how that is listing to the people and protecting the rights of the citizens?????? This action by the Illinois senate bodes bad for all of us. I sure hope that brighter minds will assess and take the actions that need to be taken to protect the rights of Illinois residents. This message has been edited. Last edited by: EagleGrafix, - Paul ---------------------------- "Screws fall out all the time, the world is an imperfect place." - John Bender |
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So what happens to all the crap that I have already purchased from out of state!?! Can we still purchase from wineries direct?? Blow-goyavich is really pissing me off.
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khmark- if you can get it sent here quickly then you're ok, the gov hasn't signed it yet.
If it's futures you're SOL. I have only one bottle coming from out of state for 05 bdx (a double mag of Sociando Mallet). It will be a big pain in my ass to get it here, but I have a scheme in mind. I saw this coming and didn't buy from out of state like I usually do for futures. ******* We'll get 'em next year! |
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Well, to be honest, I don't like this at all. It is a trend that is bad for the industry as a whole, and does not help us in the long-run at all. While it does limit competition in the short-term, what happens when other states follow suit? The company I work for has had (I am not sure if it is still true or not) the largest online selection and do more business online than anyone else in the country, so shipping to other states is big business for us. The idea that other states are sure to follow is REALLY bad for us. So, I opposed this proposition, and I also called our Representative and Senators, and asked them to oppose this legislation. While I may work for a retailer in Chicago, I am also a consumer and I buy wine from all over! I am very upset at the idea of not being able to buy wine from whomever I choose. I disagree fundamentally with the idea that I should not be allowed to purchase wine from whoever I wish. I am firmly against this act, and am sorry that there are those in this industry who do not have the foresight to see what this truly means for our industry, and for the art of wine. It shows that there are indeed people involved with wine who do not care a bit for the product itself, only for the numbers in the last column with that funny "S" with the vertical line in it. I like to think that I help my company make money, (gotta pay the bills, after all...) but I did get into this business because I love wine and food. My growing belly can attest to that... |
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I do agree that the lack of foresight is a key flaw of those who supported this bill. However, I feel no sorrow for them.  |
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Indeed. We will reap what we sow, I just wish that I wasn't unavoidably, and reasonably, associated with it!  This will be something we regret. I use the term "we" very loosely, as I don't support this decision at all! Cutting off our nose, to spite our face... |
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I have maybe 4 cases of '05 Bordeaux on futures from around the country, plus other random bottles.
In this country I just don't understand how any court would uphold such anti-consumer laws like this one. |
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So much for shipping to my sister in Illinois and having it forwarded on to me.
Looks like these wine clubs need to figure out a way to ship to Jersey, or I'll be falling off of quite a few mailing lists once this passes. Bummer! Looks like I'll just have to drink Bordeaux and Burgandy and local available pinot noir's from now on! -mJ "It's a black fly in your chardonnay..." -Alanis Morrisette Jersey Foodies/Wine Blog: http://jerseyfoodies.blogspot.com/ |
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Revolutions have started over less
Me: You don't think the wine opened after an hour or two? My gf: I liked it better when you first opened it. It was like getting hit in the face with a crowbar. Me: Two-buck Chuck is like getting hit in the face with a crowbar. My gf: Yeah, but this is a TASTY crowbar. "De can or Decant" - My gf |
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GA - you posted the Free The Grapes link above to answer someone asking about various shipping laws - and the page linked does show that.
However, that organization isn't always on "our" side. FTG has been either silent on, or actively supportive of, this and similar legislation in other states. They seem to have hung their hat on the distinction between wineries and retailers, and are throwing the retailers under the bus. The same holds true with Wine Institue of CA and Family Winemakers of CA (from Tom Wark post on ebob). I think that's an unfortunately narrow and anti-consumer stance. |
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Why not just get an offsite in NYC? |
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I think I read somewhere that if this passes it will most likely go into effect after the 1st of the year...so at least I will received my 2004 futures from NYC when the weather cools off.
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here is a link directly to the bill itself clicky
Among the powers listed in this bill: (5.2) To issue a cease and desist notice to persons shipping alcoholic liquor into this State from a point outside of this State if the shipment is in violation of this Act. (b) Pursuant to the Twenty-First Amendment of the United States Constitution allowing states to regulate the distribution and sale of alcoholic liquor and pursuant to the federal Webb-Kenyon Act declaring that alcoholic liquor shipped in interstate commerce must comply with state laws, the General Assembly hereby finds and declares that selling alcoholic liquor from a point outside this State through various direct marketing means, such as catalogs, newspapers, mailers, and the Internet, directly to residents of this State poses a serious threat to the State's efforts to prevent youths from accessing alcoholic liquor; to State revenue collections; and to the economy of this State. Any person manufacturing, distributing, or selling alcoholic liquor who knowingly ships or transports or causes the shipping or transportation of any alcoholic liquor from a point outside this State to a person in this State who does not hold a manufacturer's, distributor's, importing distributor's, or non-resident dealer's license issued by the Liquor Control Commission, other than a shipment of sacramental wine to a bona fide religious organization, a shipment authorized by Section 6-29, subparagraph (17) of Section 3-12, or any other shipment authorized by this Act, is in violation of this Act. |
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