Germany (21 bottles, 6.44%, avg. 2002.2)

Mosel Saar Ruwer (18 bottles, 5.52%, avg. 2002.4)

Rheinhessen (3 bottles, 0.92%, avg. 2001.0)


2002 Freiherr Heyl zu Herrnsheim Riesling Spätlese
1999 Gunderloch Nackenheimer Rothenberg Riesling Auslese Goldkapsel
2002 Joh. Jos. Prüm Wehlener Sonnenuhr Riesling Auslese
2001 Joh. Jos. Prüm Wehlener Sonnenuhr Riesling Spätlese
2003 Joh. Jos. Prüm Zeltinger Sonnenuhr Riesling Auslese
2002 Joh. Jos. Prüm Zeltinger Sonnenuhr Riesling Auslese
2003 Joh. Jos. Prüm Zeltinger Sonnenuhr Riesling Spätlese
2003 Bert Simon Serriger Herrenberg Riesling Beerenauslese Goldkapsel
2003 Bert Simon Serriger Wurtzberg Riesling Spätlese


It's deffinatly not enough. Vino Me remembers when I started drinking up all my 01 Prum, only to be scolded

I think storage is more the reason I have less Germans. They are one of the most enjoyable styles of wine to enjoy right after release. Most of the quality Germans will age longer than any new world red, yet i find myself buying alot more reds than whites.

Also my local stores have crappy German selections so my impulse buying is not there.

I really am dissapointed I dont have more, I really do think German wines are the best expression of varietal and terroir for the money.

I only have 2 Rheingau Kabinett.

I need to do more research with German wines. It's the only wine that I am just not confident in myself to pick the right bottle when I see them.

The labels are also very confusing to me.

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Bert Simon Serriger Herrenberg Riesling Beerenauslese Goldkapsel

I couldn't even spell that, not to mention trying to pronounce it.

Zero. When I buy German, I prefer the thing I am buying to be an automobile.

Two.
1-Rheingau
1-Nahe
Both 1976.

I don't have any German wines. But that's not out of choice, they're just a bit difficult to find where I live.

When in Germany (about once a year) I normally buy some Franken Silvaners. This is not only because I like these wines very much but also because they're difficult to find outside of Germany. I read somewhere that the people in Franken actually have a policy of not putting their wines up for export so that they can enjoy them themselves. Who can blame them for that?

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Originally posted by ArieS:
Good idea Scott, let's make this offline in SoCal

ArieS,

I grew up in Mission Viejo and Laguna Beach (1969-1991) and still visit my family in Mission Viejo around Christmas every year.

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Bert Simon Serriger Herrenberg Riesling Beerenauslese Goldkapsel

I'm an importer of German wines and the labels are really quite simple.
Producer "Bert Simon" Town were the vineyard is "Serrig" Vineyard "Herrenberg" Grape "Riesling" Sweetness Level at Harvest "Beerenauslese" and Goldkapsel is kind of a reserve wine. There is a lot of info on German Labels which to me seems easier than France or Italy.

Yeah, once you get the basic, it's pretty easy to understand a German label

Sadly, only 13 bottles.

12 bottles from MSR
1 bottle from Rheinhessen


Laceytom, welcome to the forum. You should import some of your German wine into the next CWM offline.

And German is really easy to pronounce!

No, really!

No accents, no changing pronunciation... Don't be intimidated by all those long words. French, Spanish, English, etc... WAY more difficult.

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And German is really easy to pronounce!

No, really!

No accents, no changing pronunciation... Don't be intimidated by all those long words. French, Spanish, English, etc... WAY more difficult.

Maybe so, but I could sing an Italian verse faster than reading that Deutschland label.

"Quando la luna li colpisce occhio come una torta grande della pizza che è amore"

Even the wasps should be able to guess THAT song.

I have 80-90 bottles of German wine and all are Riesling. I would guess I am 50-50 between MSR and Rhein.

Most of my wines are 2001/2001 but I have 20-25 total from 1994, 1995 and 1997.

Notable wines:
2002 Gunderloch BA
2002 Gunderloch Spatlese and Auslese
2001 Gunderloch Auslese

Very little. Less than 2% of my cellar.

I'll play.

I have 1 bottle of German wine, it's from MSR. It comprises 0.13% of my cellar.

To be honest, I have 2 or 3 more that are in my secondary storage area (ready for drinking), and they'll never see the cellar.

I like German wines, I just have never gotten into them that much or tried very hard to understand them.

quote:

I'm an importer of German wines and the labels are really quite simple.
Producer "Bert Simon" Town were the vineyard is "Serrig" Vineyard "Herrenberg" Grape "Riesling" Sweetness Level at Harvest "Beerenauslese" and Goldkapsel is kind of a reserve wine. There is a lot of info on German Labels which to me seems easier than France or Italy.

Yes there is information on German labels. The problem however is that it is not very clear. You could even say misleading. I could be cynical and say it is intentionally misleading in some cases.

I think it's best to quote Oz Clarke: "...in no other country are the most famous names betrayed more shamefully by vineyards with no right whatsoever to be associated with them."

He goes on to give some examples. One is Bernkastel which is a village in the MSR region which produces very high quality wines. The whole of Middle Mosel can however call its wines Bereich Bernkastel even if none of the grapes in the wines are from Bernkastel vineyards. In other words they're allowed to rip off the good name of Bernkastel.

The problem is that the quality system, QbA, QmP, etc, is not really based on quality but based on the sweetness of the wine.

I'm suprised that this can happen in Germany, in the heart of the EU, where everything is normally black and white.

Don't get me wrong. I think that good German wines are some of the best. But at the same time Germany gives us some of the worst. I will never buy a german unless I know what I'm buying first. However if I don't know the wine, there is no way for me to tell by looking at the label whether it is a quality wine or not. I know that this is starting to change with new regional classifications but this is not happening fast enough and there is always the problem with wines that are produced before the classification becomes official.

14 Germans (I thought I had more.. I am going to have to talk to the wife ...)

6 MSR - 42,5%
6 Pfalz - 42,5%
2 Nahe - 15%

12 Reisling - 85%
2 Silvaner -15%

About 66

56 M-S-R
3 Nahe
4 Rheingau
3 Pfalz

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Another big, fat zero. As I've said before, if I want to drink something with 9% alcohol I'll open a Duvel.

61 bottles in the cellar with 26 additional on prearrival. About 3% of current cellar.
5% Nahe
90% MSR
5% I haven't figured out...
1.6% Kabinett
69% Spatlese
26% Auslese
3.3% TBA

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Originally posted by Dave Tong:
Another big, fat zero. As I've said before, if I want to drink something with 9% alcohol I'll open a Duvel.

How can you compare German rieslings to a Duvell?
It's like if I was saying if I want to drink something with more than 15% alcohol(read domestic ) I'll drink rubbing alcohol

Total 86 bottles. Most of which are from the 2001 vintage. I had over 100 but haven't purchased much lately and went through quite a few this summer.

Mosel......92.5%
Rheingau...4.0%
Nahe........2.5%
Pfalz.........1.0%

hi emilio,

next time in europe you should pas in switzerland

Only about 10, mostly MSR. Definitely need to get more!

Oh, my back! I just got done moving from an apartment to a house, so I know exactly what I've got. Besides "too dam*ed many", I'd guess approximately ...

Riesling -- 365
Rieslaner -- 12
Schuerebe -- 7

Total, German: 384

Highlights, by producer, showing bottles in inventory:

-- JJ Prum (85)
-- Donnhoff (48)
-- Christoffel (46)
-- Gunderloch (45)
-- Leitz (34)
-- Florian Weingart (27)
-- Merkelbach (25)
-- Monchhof (18)
-- Darting (13, mostly Rieslaner)
-- Pfeffingen (7, Scheurebe)
-- Schloss Saarstein (7, all the infamous "25 cases made Spectator Selection" wine that Eric White and I bought while others were whining )

Sure, it's too much of a good thing. But they are almost exclusively Spatlesen and Auslesen levels (or above), which I'm looking forward to enjoying over the next thirty years or so.

tsunami,

Next time we will! Next year we will probably go to Spain and then over to Switzerland. My wife wants to know if you're still making ice cream!