Yesterday I went out with some freinds to a Mexican place and then later an Irish pub. I had a Negro Modelo and a Guiness. I used to love Guiness, not anymore. I ended up ordering an EOS Zinfandel and I thought it was very nice. Maybe it was just the beer I had previously but I really liked the Zinfandel, which I normaly do not.

Think and drink Belgium beer.

Very good!

No, if you don't like Guinness (draught) anymore, you don't like beer. Best beer in the world imnsho. As much as I love wine, I still enjoy the odd Guinness or two. Or three.

I don't really like beer . Especially since I discoverd wine. The only one that I like and drink, SOMETIMES, is Hoegaarden. But that's it.
And I read that some studies have been made and the result was that men's chance of having prostate cancer was up by 36% or something like that when you consumed beer.

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Originally posted by Luc Sabourin:
And I read that some studies have been made and the result was that men's chance of having prostate cancer was up by 36% or something like that when you consumed beer.

was that directly from the beer or all the street meat garbage that people eat after they've been beering it up?

2nds on belgium... especially gueuze

i find that beer goes down very well when it is over 100 degrees f

guiness has always tasted great in dublin

sometimes not in others places

it seems like a palate is cultivated

and changes with seasons among many other variables

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Originally posted by tannic bastard:
was that directly from the beer or all the street meat garbage that people eat after they've been beering it up?

Well obviously the study was controlled, but I understand what you are saying. It doesn't help.

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i find that beer goes down very well when it is over 100 degrees f

What he said. Ditto on Belgian. And as much as I love Guiness, it's not really beer. It's a stout, and a stout stout to boot. Different animal and not a warm weather drink imo.

PH

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Originally posted by sfiorare:


guiness has always tasted great in dublin

Guiness tastes fine anywhere you drink it and nobody needs to know you went to Dublin, if you actually went. you probably never been anyways.

Best beers for hot weather are south armericans - light, and refreshing. Keep the overpriced euro fruit soup for winter month.

I have recently rediscovered Belgian Triple Ale, and have a couple of four packs in the fridge for when I can't commit to a whole bottle of wine.

I only like very full flavored beer. I won't touch a light beer anymore.

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Originally posted by Hunter:
I only like very full flavored beer. I won't touch a light beer anymore.

Watch your belly grow. Light beer are easy on your stature.

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Originally posted by Hunter:
I only like very full flavored beer. I won't touch a light beer anymore.

spo, it may appear you don't like beer anymore but i promise, you'll be back. they alllll come back. there IS room for it all.

hey opus two,

you like being wrong don't you

first the la lagune thing and now dublin

i've seen the book of kells,

visited the guiness brewery/museum,

biked around slea head from dingle

and then ferried out of rosslare to cherbourg

is that enough or would you like the rest

of the itinerary?

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Originally posted by Hunter:
I only like very full flavored beer. I won't touch a light beer anymore.

I was not aware they allowed any alcohol sales with food stamps, now you're getting to choose what kind of beer you purchase?

The opposite here.
Especially with the warm weather we had.
A lot of the available (and affordable) wines tend to be rather predictable or too warm or too heavy or whatever. Thus a slight consumatory turnaround to Westmalle, De Koninck and an occasional lager.

Obviously Belgian.

>Yesterday I went out with some freinds to a >Mexican place and then later an Irish pub. I had >a Negro Modelo and a Guiness. I used to love >Guiness, not anymore.

First of all, these are two terrible beers to use to dismiss beer in its entirety from. This is much akin to dismissing wine based on having only had Red Rock Merlot and Cheap Red Wine. Negro modelo is about as boring as it gets. As Wine+art mentions belgian beers, and that's a good alternative but still represents a minute sample of the available and distinctly different alternatives.

Also, Guinness is highly dependent on where it is brewed. In the Caribbean they've got Guinness Foreign Export Stout, which is a magnificent beer, quite a bit stronger than guinness draught in the US (7.8 % abv) and completely different in flavor.
Belgium's got the John Martin Special Export Stout , which is again different(8%abv) (and in my opinion the best of the bunch). In the US we've got the draught and the extra stout . The extra stout(6%abv) is a fine beer in my opinion, whereas the draughtis a LIGHT(you've seen the commercials, 4.2%abv, 120 calories)beer, and I highly suspect that it's specifically been dumbed down for american palates over the years. There are plenty more variations on guinness than this, but the fact remains that in the US, the draught is a thin, watery, pasteurized light beer(despite frequent claims of it being a liquid meal, maybe for a hardcore dieter). don't let the marketing mystique or nitro fool you. Also it's notable that Guinness draught is contract brewed in the US in different locations and who's to say the product is universally the same? Not I.

>No, if you don't like Guinness (draught) >anymore, you don't like beer. Best beer in the >world imnsho.

In light of the above, and personal tastes being what they are, this is stupid.

>I don't really like beer . Especially since I >discoverd wine. The only one that I like and >drink, SOMETIMES, is Hoegaarden.

Branch out man. That's the tip of the iceberg. If nothing else try some other belgian witbiers. I don't really like wine, but i SOMETIMES drink White zin. Ok, that's a lie.

>And I read that some studies have been made and >the result was that men's chance of having >prostate cancer was up by 36% or something like >that when you consumed beer.

Yeah, pretty dubious...seems like we could expect Germany, UK, Ireland, Czechs and any other predominately beer drinking countries to be suffering a collective blight of cancer. But who knows, maybe they are.


>i find that beer goes down very well when it is >over 100 degrees f

Agreed. Pilsners, bitters, triples saisons(fantome!) and hefes for me lately.

>And as much as I love Guiness, it's not really >beer. It's a stout, and a stout stout to boot.

A wimpy stout...though it is somewhat bitter, acidic and sour, but that's after you get past the water taste.

Anyhow, try some other stouts, please. Try some other beer styles too.

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Originally posted by Numenor:

Also, Guinness is highly dependent on where it is brewed. In the Caribbean they've got Guinness Foreign Export Stout, which is a magnificent beer, quite a bit stronger than guinness draught in the US (7.8 % abv) and completely different in flavor.
Belgium's got the John Martin Special Export Stout , which is again different(8%abv) (and in my opinion the best of the bunch). In the US we've got the draught and the extra stout . The extra stout(6%abv) is a fine beer in my opinion, whereas the draughtis a LIGHT(you've seen the commercials, 4.2%abv, 120 calories)beer, and I highly suspect that it's specifically been dumbed down for american palates over the years. There are plenty more variations on guinness than this, but the fact remains that in the US, the draught is a thin, watery, pasteurized light beer(despite frequent claims of it being a liquid meal, maybe for a hardcore dieter). don't let the marketing mystique or nitro fool you. Also it's notable that Guinness draught is contract brewed in the US in different locations and who's to say the product is universally the same? Not I.

Thanks for the education Numenor Guinness draught refers to the real thing, not something that comes in a bottle or a can. But I do agree that even that quality can vary depending upon where it's made.

If you followed the link and saw the picture of the can and thought those reviews only refer to the can, you're wrong, but it's pointless to take a picture of a keg, no? In any case each review specifies whether it came from keg, can, or bottle. And only Guinness claims that draught from keg=bottle=can, not me. But I will certainly make the claim that flavor differs very little. It's more an issue of the nitro working better off the keg and proper nitro specific tap equipment than it does the out of the widget can/bottle. Quality can also vary depending on how fresh the keg is, how long the keg's been tapped and the cleanliness and general condition of someone's taplines (this last shouldn't be an issue, but unfortunately it is sometimes). Personally, though I wasn't exactly concealing it, I think guinness draught is a worthless beer with many, many better examples of the style to be had. I'm not even sure I'd consider it a step up from bud light. It certainly rules taphandles in most typical bars though and is the stereotypical dark beer. Which is sad really.

I just came back from vacationing in Maine, and while there I had a Guinness draught, It was nothing like here in Montreal or England (The two other places I have had it on tap).

It was a watery soup, that had a similarity to Guinness. IMO the producer of this version should loose his contract.
I knew that most beers are produced locally by bottlers of the area. It is the most cost productive way. But quality is the first thing that suffers.

Vinaigre, I've now had Guinness in more than a few places (though not dublin) and it has become my belief (as well as quite a few others) that it is intended to be this way in the US. And though I'm not old enough to know, apparently it wasn't always this way in the US. Some speculate that in the US it's made from a sort of condensed "guinness essence" and then bottled, rather than brewed in the traditional sense. I dunno about that though. That seems too fishy.

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Originally posted by Numenor:
Vinaigre, I've now had Guinness in more than a few places (though not dublin)

So you know not what you speak of. The Guinness out of St. James Gate has few equals. Even the stuff in England pales. Again imnsho.

Had I spoken about guinness draught on tap in dublin when I haven't had it there, then you'd be right. But I do not believe I ever did. Most of what I said pertained specifically to the US draught version. It's also notable that most people drinking Guinness are not drinking it at St. James Gate, and I apologize for not realizing that all of your Guinness consumption took place at the Gate. For the record, since apparently it matters to someone, I've had Guinness:

draught
On tap, in and around the US
From the US Nitro Can
From the US widget bottle
In the UK

Extra Stout
US version
UK version

Foreign Export Stout
Caribbean version
African Version

John Martin Special Export
Belgium (it's unique to Belgium)

In my opinion the John Martin is the finest beer in the bunch, but with an alcohol range of 4.2-8% it's hard to consider them all to the same style, and indeed they're not. Most who have had the Belgian example and the others (including in dublin) will agree with me that the Belgian one is the best beer in the bunch, though NOT a draught example, or even an irish dry stout. But clearly, I know nothing and certainly not about what I speak.

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Originally posted by Spenser:
I have recently rediscovered Belgian Triple Ale, and have a couple of four packs in the fridge for when I can't commit to a whole bottle of wine.

Give St. Bernardus tripel a shot if you haven't yet. Hands down the best tripel I've had yet. Also Unibroue's entire lineup (at least Maudite, don de dieu, la fin du monde, trois pistoles) reminds of a tripel, though each distinctly different. Not entirely sure that's what they were intending though.