I've marked it on my calendar, August 1, 2012, post on WS to TBird--'I told you so...[Nelson Muntz laugh]'

We can very easily create a poll, and simplify this process dramatically. Which areas should be on the list?

Napa
Burgundy
Bordeaux
Rhone
Piedmont
Tuscany
Champagne
Oregon


Am I missing any that people feel should be on the poll?

The analysis I did is a couple years old now, but at the time it showed Napa Cabernet and Red Burgundy had the highest 'dud factor' as I called it. Wines over $50 and under 85 points.

They also had the poorest point to price performance and the least allignment between price and quality (WS points).

Bordeaux did the best almost across the board except for percnetage of outstanding scores to overall scores, which was won by Tuscany. Tuscan Reds (BdM and Super Tuscan's) finished second in alomst every catagory to Bordeaux. California Pinot Noir was a strong 3rd.

The Bordeaux vintages I looked at where 1999, 2000 and 2001, so I'd bet given the price increases that Bordeaux's position has slipped some.

I think Bordeaux's strongest point is that there is a clear price to quality performance ratio. The highest scoring wines cost the most, the lowest scoring the least and there where no 'duds' as I remember.

I'm a supply side kind of guy, if it's selling, it's not overpriced.

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Originally posted by ChicagoFineWine:
We can very easily create a poll, and simplify this process dramatically. Which areas should be on the list?

Napa
Burgundy
Bordeaux
Rhone
Piedmont
Tuscany
Champagne
Oregon


Am I missing any that people feel should be on the poll?

Californian sweet wines.
If you do make a poll, allow multiple votes.

My vote is for Napa, or California in general. Simply because in most other regions mentioned you can still find decent wine for a good penny, but if you try and score some "value" Ca wine, it's in most cases bound for the sink.

If you are doing a poll on overpriced wines, can I propose not so much a region as a genre - anything from a joint venture...

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Originally posted by thorn:
My vote is for Napa, or California in general. Simply because in most other regions mentioned you can still find decent wine for a good penny, but if you try and score some "value" Ca wine, it's in most cases bound for the sink.

There are very good values to be had in California if you look outside Napa and Sonoma.

Quite true. Central Coast has some reasonable values, for one area.

I agree with the dud factor. California and Burgundy seem to be the worst for that.

Burgundy...sometimes a mine field!

My order: Burgundy, Bordeaux, Napa - but cant quible with the supply/demand market forces. I just choose to spend elsewhere...

As much as I love the wines from Bordeaux, I would say they are the most overpriced. 2006 Petrus for $2000 a bottle. Absurd.

Napa, Burgundy

Burgundy is taking a direct hit on the chin and I truly understand.

Now that said, I would be more specific and state the red wines of Burgundy. I find and enjoy many white wines of Burgundy for under $40.

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Originally posted by wine+art:
Burgundy is taking a direct hit on the chin and I truly understand.

Now that said, I would be more specific and state the red wines of Burgundy. I find and enjoy many white wines of Burgundy for under $40.

Absolutely. I think you can only classify a region as overpriced it there are no value wines to be found. Burgundy does offer value especially in the better years.

For all of you that said burgundy and piedmont you are all wrong those are the greatess regions in the world like bordeaux and you dont understand them! Napa is #1 here I will drink amazing wines in burgundy and piedmont maybe you should study wines and find out the real things out there and for burgundy you palate is not wordy of having them it is by far the best region in the world and when you are going to understand it you will get back to me!

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Originally posted by Jeremy:
Every time I read Price blah blah, they're always generally the same point- too damn expensive. So in your opinion what is the most overpriced REGION in the world. From what I've read many people would say Napa. <br />Mine is Burgundy (still love the stuff though.)<br />Edit:<br />Sorry this should be under Wine Conversations but oh well-sorry Keith/Forumites etc...<br /> <br /> <small>[ 10-28-2002, 06:27 PM: Message edited by: Jeremy ]</small>

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Olivierthewineo:
things out there and for burgundy you palate is not wordy of having them[QUOTE]

Burgundy! I guess I'm not "wordy" of having them.

Olivier, sorry we're not wordy. When red Burgundy is good, it's great, but there's a lot of overpriced crap too. As someone pointed out, it can be a minefield.

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Originally posted by steve8:
Olivier, sorry we're not wordy. When red Burgundy is good, it's great, but there's a lot of overpriced crap too. As someone pointed out, it can be a minefield.

Yes but what other region has the most anti-marketing description for an appelation ;

Grand Vin Blanc Ordinaire. Love it.

What's up with this bunching Barolo, Barbaresco, Brunello and all things Tuscan up into one? Kind of like casting a vote for Bordeaux/Bourgogne/Champagne, huh?

//Anders

Olivier: Speed still reasonably priced in your neck of the woods?

Take a look at a list of $100+ wines with less than an 80 point rating. Burgundy dominates. Napa is a far distant second, with only a smattering spread around the rest of the world.

Piemonte
Ontario
Long Island/Switzerland (tie)

I think each region has its strengths and weaknesses as far as pricing. California suffers greatly in the <$20 range where France and Italy have some good things going for them.

I think the question of value really depends on where you live. As a Californian, I can get many CA wines at well below the advertised list prices. Therefore, California represents the best value for my wine purchases. Outside of CA, the value falls and outside the US, very few CA wines qualify as good QPR’s.

As an example, in many Canadian provinces CA wines are not only scarce, they are ridiculously overpriced. Conversely, they seem to get better deals on many Aussies than we do in the states.