I have to go wtih Burgandy. The great wine lake that is Bordeaux produces a lot of good inexpensive wine. However, Napa is way overpriced for what you get.

The answer really depends on whether you are talking about the top wines from the regions or the region as a whole.

Top Bordeaux and Burgundy is obscenely priced even compared to the top wines in Napa. Even Bryant never tried to price a wine like Le Pin does though I bet they sure would like to.

If we are talking across the board, Burgundy and then Napa.

[ 10-29-2002, 11:46 AM: Message edited by: dinwiddie ]

1. Barolo
2. Napa
3. Chilean Super premiums

I've always thought that the french Bordeaux and Burgundies are well overpriced. But now I am starting to feel the same about Californian wines... Thank God for Washington and Australian wines!

1) Bordeaux
2) Burgundy
3) Napa
4) Napa
5) Napa
6) Oregon Pinot's -- I'm getting tired of 16 single vineyards from every producer at a high $$.
7) Brunello

RRV

Canada?

I guess I mean as a region overall. I think for quality the top Burgundy's are worth the dollars.
As for Le Pin its cheaper than a number of 2nd
growths here in NZ. Ducru is considerably more expensive.

1. Burgundy
2. Brunello/Piemonte

However, if money were not an issue, I would buy burgundy first.

1) Good Burgundy
2) Tuscany
3) Average Vintage Napa/Sonoma
4) Single Vineyard Oregon PN (1/4 are worth it)

Without the ability to buy these at Wholesale, many of these would be out my reach....

Jeremy,

I find it hard to believe that Le Pin is cheaper than Ducru in NZ. I will buy all the Le Pin in NZ if that's the case.

Here's is my e-mail, let me know what stores have Le Pin for the prices you say it's available.

OTRB@aol.com

The concensus seems to be Burgundy. I agree.

My favorite wine - an excellent Burgundy
My least favorite wine - overpriced Burgundy plonk.

If it's not obvious, I live a terribly conflicted and schizophrenic life.

I stand corrected Pomerolv,
I've sent you an e-mail with all relevent info. Apparently my info is outdated as it only relates to vintages prior to 1994. I've checked with my French Bordeaux distributor.
And heres me thinking ooo I"ve got a good sale coming.

1.California

2.Burgundy, even though I like it.

I forgot to add the Chilean high-enders: prices just do not justify the quality. I mean, they are better than what used to be available, sure, but while the quality has gone up a bit, the prices have gone up exponentially.

What about German wine? I am suprised that the couple thousands us dollar for a new TBA( .375 ml , too) doesn't put Germany on this list:) kiki

ps:)i am refering to the Mosel-Saar-Ruwer

1.NAPA

1. Burgundy
2. Super Tuscans
3. Champange
4. Napa
5. Bordeaux

Tongue in cheek, "mostly in wine stores".

IMO every region has overpriced wines as well as great values. With knowledge, connections and hard work, one can always get a good to great wine for a bargin price. I bought a New Zealand wine highly recommended in this forum for $22 that lost out to wines that cost 1/2 as much.

If you count it as a "region" (most wouldn't), I'd have to say Texas. Worse QPR in the world.

I have to agree with the Chilean premiums. My local wine shop had a "Guess which price is incorrect" game going with 5 bottles. The Chilean wine which had a nose of dirty sweat socks and tasted like muddy water & priced @ $60 was the obvious choice.
Nope, that is the "real" price.
Now, I've had a few decent Chile's in the $6-$15 range, and I'd take any of them over that!

Napa

Hey!!!!

but how much does it cost a good Barolo bottle in the USA?!?!?!?!

I'm surprised-amazed-shocked to see so many of you consider Barolo and Barbaresco overpriced bottles.

In Italy you can get nearly the whole of the very best production for 50, not really more than 60 euro per bottle. I mean, great names with big marketing campaigns to pump their prices up included.

There are just three labels out of the bunch, Granbussia by Poderi Aldo Conterno, that is about 80 euros, Bruno Giacosa's Barbaresco and Barolo Reserves (red labels) at 80-90 euros, and Barolo Monfortino by Giacomo Conterno, next release, 1995, at about 200 euros (!).

And then Gaja, of course, that is a case on its own. Anyway you can find many serious alternatives for its base Barbaresco for much less, and the whole of its crus (Sori) sum up less than 10.000 bottles per year.

Oh, I was forgetting Voerzio's crus, about 100 euros per bottle.

I don't think these are impossible prices, for such quality, small productions and durability!

Or simply you don't enjoy the style?

when comparing prices, i believe one has to consider the pricing at point of origin. also, consider that french and italian wines have a 16-19% vat added to their price. california wines have the the local state tax added on after the fact.

most italian wines may be bought in italy for 60% of the price available in this country. some prices i found when recently in italy.

2000 falesco montiano-$25
1997 fanti brunello-$32
1997 gorelli brunello-$35
1997 antinori pian delle vigne brunello-$38
1999 casalferro-$22

keep in mind, the above includes tax.

a red burgundy that costs $80 in the u.s., may be available for $50-55 a bottle in france. again, the french price includes taxes. thus i believe that california/napa/sonoma has become the most over priced wine region in the world.

Napa
Chile
Burgundy
Champagne

All

Along the same vein of taxes and duties. Talk to my local friendly wine retailer about NZ wines as I will be there middle of the month. The surprising thing he told me was that not buy NZ wine in NZ other than hard to find bottles or direct from the wineries(vineyards) but buy Aussie instead as there is duty structure that cause Aussie prices to be cheaper in NZ and vice versa for NZ wines in Australia.

Jeremy/TORB/Aussie

Care to enlighten me?

Thankyou and Cheers,
LRnW