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I did not want to touch G&PN's post with a 10-foot pole, I have not been here for very long, but I was surprised at his post, as he does not seem like someone who does what he is told to do just because he is told to do it. I agree with what you say KSC02, the standard that he set is extremely high, but I suppose that he adheres to that standard, otherwise he would not have posted as he did. "No TV and no beer make Homer...something, something" |
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KS, Your thoughts are appreciated. A link to a partial list of members of SWRA is located below. These are the folks who are supporting not just lobbying efforts but the kind of litigation efforts that are necessary for Wine.com to get what they say they want: a free market for wine. To date, Wine.com is not on this list. http://www.specialtywineretailers.org/members.html Tom Wark Specialty Wine Retailers Association |
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As another example of stupidity of the laws, why is it legal for auctions to ship wine to any state and wineries/e-retailers only to specific states?
Why should a bottle of wine be treated different for shipping legality because it was purchased via "auction" at winebid? |
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Yeah...right  GPN obviously can't resist years of Law School indoctrination. We foregive him.  |
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Everyone on this board who has bought or sold wine on winecommune or on the buy/sell forum here has likely broken the "law". Those who have shipped wine to others in advance for offlines have likely broken the "law". Many have probably not declared alcohol in a shipment at one time or another and required someone 21 years or older to sign for it as required by "law".
There are a bunch of self-righteous, law and order "rule of law" hypocrites in this thread who should consider their own actions before saddling their high horse and lecturing others. |
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It's not legal. Generally, Auction houses are treated exactly as retailers when it comes to shipping. Tom Wark Specialty Wine Retailers Association ------------------------- http://www.fermentation.typepad.com |
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I'm with Markiemark on his post.
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Thank you for the link, Tom. I'm happy to see some major retailors supporting your efforts. I'm surprised that the list is shorter than I would have expected. Hopefully forum discussions like these will communicate that this issue IS one that consumer/customers take seriously. Wine.com would be in fine company (K&L, Vinfolio, Winebid, Rare Wine, etc. etc.) supporting this effort. |
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It's a great list or retailers...BUT...it is only a partial list. |
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That's one of the most self-righteous posts ever made on this site. It's also very hypocritical. You're doing exactly what you're decrying. Just one more sip. |
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I find the cries of "TATTLE TALE" that permeate this tread to be disturbingly juvenile, something worthy of elementary school kids. Grow up.
Moreover, I would expect any law-abiding business -- whether that comes from a respect for the law and society or merely from fear of getting caught and punished -- to take similar action to protect itself from others who willingly or ignorantly violate the law to gain advantage. Wine.com pays the required taxes and obtains the necessary licenses to ship to other states, such as Washington. Why should it stand by silently when some scofflaw ignores the law of those states, undercuts its prices, and thereby draws away its business? Would you allow a competitor to gain an advantage over your business by not obtaining a required licenses, or by failing to pay sales or income taxes? I doubt that anyone who has ever been in business for him or herself would say yes. It's not about you and your "right" to get your wine at the lowest possible price -- it's about the right of the business to protect itself from predators. Doug Collins Hermosa Beach, California |
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How so, Board-O?  |
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Evidently not, based on my experiences in the past year with wineries and auction houses policies on shipping to GA. Or perhaps the laws are so confusing it's left up to individual entities to determine their own policy and compliance. |
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Don't piss down my back and tell me its raining! My point is that you all should know and understand that direct shipping of wine is (in many instances) violative of local laws. Don't insult us by equating ordering your case of Yellow Tail to marching to Selma with MLK.
Civil disobedience this is not. And even if it were, its government you should be targeting, not wine.com. I do need to issue a bull**** alert for both sides of this debate: first - while I applaud the SWRA for its approach to the problem (imagine that, a lawyer who is applauding litigation), but I think it is a little bit disengenious of you to launch a salvo against wine.com here for not throwing the sheckles into your litigation war chest. And lets face it that it might not fit into their business plan to jump onto the SWRA bandwagon. A level playing field is what all retailers should seek. If you ignore sales tax, your wine is significantly cheaper and,pursuant to the law of demand, easier to see. But lets turn the proposition onto its head which yields this silliness: Do the right thing, make less money and lose your customers! Maybe you can get your marketing department to put that on some coffee mugs for you. But in actuality,though,its worst than that,because what's really happening is that the rogue retailer (the one who ships where he shouldn't or fails to collect sales taxes) is actually doing better. So those coffee mugs that we're ordering should say:"Break the law and earn money while doing it!" But I also think that wine.com is overstating their case a little bit. The payment of state sales tax rests with the BUYER, not the seller. You CHOOSE to collect and ditribute sales tax dollars. Is that because you're just a bunch of good boy scouts? And my bull**** meter was pinging really loudly at the start of the story. I'm assuming you are well counseled (lawyered up as we like to say), buy doesn't wine.com run the risk of legal prosecution for actually being a part of wine-buying consiparcy? Or have you guys been deputized by the local authorties? (this is a genuine question). ----------------------- Le vin français est inférieur Du vin français est surestimé Le vin français suce |
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I noticed you didn't address the first part of my post which is the basis for the selected comment you criticized. |
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That's because I haven't bought or sold any wine from anyone here or winecommune or any other site. Never. The only online sites from which I've purchased wines were retailers and I've never circumvented the laws in question here.
Just one more sip. |
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I think Board-O is suggesting that if Markiemark is not a law-aiding person then it would be hypocritical to make such a statement. Regardless, I would like to know if Board-O and those on the side for Wine.com has ever broken the laws as outlined above, i.e. shipping one's wine ahead of travel schedule to off-lines, mailing bottles to friends, buying or selling bottles on Wine-Commune. Gents, Comments to the original question? Just a matter of interest of course. |
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Read my previous post
Just one more sip. |
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Sorry, pressed send too quickly. Meant it for all on the side of wine.com. |
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I should let Markiemark speak for himself. However, I WILL say I didn't get that at all from his thread. He doesn't claim that he follows 'the law'. He communicates frustration at OTHERS who are preaching to the forum about issues they're LIKELY quite guilty of themselves. |
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So what you're telling me is that if you've broken a law, you're violating some taboo by pointing out that you SHOULD KNOW that your actions are wrong. I really have no beef with folks who undertand that their actions are illegal but they do it anyway. If you fit into this category -- fine. Just don't come bitchin and moaning to me once you get busted. How many times have you consoled a guy who got a speeding ticket? "Dude. Too bad. It sucks that you got caught driving 83 in a 55." We do not say, "Dude. The speed limit on that road ought to be 83. Let's protest!" HOWEVER -if you HONESTLY BELIEVE that there is no reason to obey these laws, you're one step short of sociopathic and are most likely amoral. ----------------------- Le vin français est inférieur Du vin français est surestimé Le vin français suce |
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