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I'll admit it: when it comes to music, I'm in the middle ages. I had never heard Tool nor Perfect Circle, but thought Maynard had a distinctive approach to wine, and deserved the profile in WS.
Reading this thread, I'm impressed by how knowledgeable the postes are, in terms of music as in wine. (Sorry about the vulgarity, though, a sign of immaturity to my mind.) And it reminds me that whenever one is passionate about a subject, the finest distinctions, oblivious to the general public, become critical! The more you know, the more intense your pleasures, and the more passionate your convictions. Thomas Matthews Executive editor |
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quote: My favorite band!!! Man, I wish I could find your wines in NJ/NY!!! Did you, by any chance, get their new album? Much different than the previous ones. It takes some time getting use to it... but it grows on you. |
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Of course, one of the most famous "rock guys" who collect wines is Al Stewart (not so inexplicable). He even titled an album "Down In The Cellar" which came out in 2000/2001. Here is a list of songs:
Waiting for Margaux Tasting History Down in the Cellars Turning it into Water Soho The Night that the Band got the Wine Millie Brown Under a Winestained Moon Franklin's Table House of Clocks Sergio Toutes les Etroiles The Shiraz Shuffle At one time, I think he had thousands of bottles. Seems to me that I read that he's not so much of a collector these days. If you ever get the chance to see one of his solo shows, you should definitely take it. He's a delightful performer and a surprisingly good guitarist in his own right. Of course, if you're into Tool, you might not find him so hot <chuckle>. I saw an interview with Joe Smith, ex-WB head, who talked about guys like The Eagles using their concert riders and record contracts to build huge cellars. They'd demand cases of high dollar wines to be delivered backstage at concerts, but not always for consumption, if memory serves. |
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quote: I haven't yet... mostly because it seemed like it was really different. I'll probably get it soon. Heck, it took me a couple of listens to get into the Boxcar Racer album  As far as my wines go... I do have some limited distribution in NY. Check out my website for a list of shops. So as not to make this post to "commercial", I won't put the link. If you can't find the info, email me at Brian@LoringWineCompany.com. Loring Wine Company |
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quote: Found it... thanks!!! Ironically enough, I got my Masters at University of Illinois @ Urbana-Champaign, and I used to go to the weekly wine tastings held at the Corkscrew (your only Illinois wine shop). I probably walked past your PN numerous times... but never picked one up!!! Anyway, I swore off Pinot Noir's a little while back... but I may just have to try to find one of your bottles. (It seems hard to do with the high WS scores -- Congrats-- ... it seems most of the shops are out!!!) |
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2 words....Cheshire Cat!
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quote: If you know that CD... you are a fan!!! But if you have Flyswatter, you are a true fan. |
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Al Stewart was the person who got Tori Amos into wine, and according to the WS article, Tori Amos introduced Maynard James Keenan into wine. Not even six degrees of separation there.
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quote: i didn't read the article. is there "vulgarity" in it, or are you referring to this thread? if so, please state where. cheers. ------------------------------ www.mojorib.com |
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Tbird, all Mr Matthews had to do was see that you'd posted and he knew that there must be vulgarity somewhere in the thread.
------------------------------ The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools. -Herbert Spencer |
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Whew! I thought he meant my rant.
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Did anyone notice the lighting in his cellar? Way too cool!
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The lyrics from "Jerk-Off" are sedate, in my view, compared to other "Tool Tunes". You can easily find links to Tool's official site and see lyrics penned by Mr. Keenan. We're all entitled to our tastes in music and wine and so on and so forth. Speaking as a "fossil", it's as incongruous to me for someone such as Keenan to receive a platform in a WS article, as it would be for the European wine maker who, as I recall, has Hitler on labels, to then receive a platform in a literary magazine for high brow, classical music if he were a devotee of acquiring original, rare sheet music penned by Mozart, Bach, etc. Just my 2 cents.
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To explain this one for non TOOL fans, you REALLY have to take the band's music with a HUGE grain of salt. Seriously, that ep is a great EP IMO, but doesn't reflect Tool's music today which is much more melodic and "artsy" a la Pink Floyd. The band had some major problems with their record label, had fellow rockers Rage Against the Machine to support them, and generally they say things that seem a little "off" to many people. If you trash someone for their profane lyrics, chances are, you're not seeing the entire picture. While this may not always be the case (hasn't Van Hagar's lead singer said some dumb stuff before?) it's not fair to write off a man because of his 11 year old lyrics.
Wine Spectator just sold another copy (or two) to THIS wine drinker. I'm interested to see what he has to say about his collection. Thanks for sharing, Sascha Illyvich quote: ~~~~~ [Please do not include links to adult material in your Forums posts. -Nick Fauchald] [This message was edited by Nick Fauchald on Jan 29, 2004 at 10:51 AM.] |
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Sascha, your comments are reasoned, and I see this is your first posting as well. Normally, the courtesy of the boards is to welcome a first time poster. I'll not link to the URLs you offer at the conclusion of your posting, however, as they seem possibly to suggest links to sex sites. But the credible argument you were making was undermined by the titles of the URLs and the text surrounding them. And, I'll take a rain check on the links since sex sites (and Tool's music) aren't to my tastes. I'll also take a rain check on welcoming you to the boards. I should add, that if you had omitted your comments from "A Christmas Favor" and following, I would gladly have given you a hearty welcome.
[This message was edited by DHGOYINS on Jan 28, 2004 at 07:50 PM.] |
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A curious thread.
I think somehting worth considering when judging a lyric, book, movie or similar is what message it is trying to deliver. All too often these days, what we do is we kill the messenger who brings the bad news. Movies can get judged for being to violent while what they may be doing is actually to depict a reality instead of the cinematic violence that can be seen in most TV-series. Lyrics euqally so. Disclaimer - I'm no proponent for violence as entertainment, uncouth lyrics and the like, but I find that I'm the wiser for considering the entire contex. |
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tool, and Maynard, fuqn ROCK!
I was fascinated by the coverage in the article - who'd a thunk it?  Undertow is simply one of the best albums around. Crank it to "11" and wait for your ears to bleed. I'll spare you the lyrics to "Prison Sex"  Admittedly they started to lose me a bit after that with Aeinema (sp) and Lateralus.I also heard firsthand that their last show in Houston was a rather short and dissapointing set though. Of course now I know Dude prolly had a first-growth in the decanter calling his name...  Maybe we can get Gibby from the Butthole Surfers next.  funny wine quip goes here. |
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quote: "uncouth" is a subjective term. but i otherwise agree %100 with you. ------------------------------ www.mojorib.com |
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quote: Not to pick on you, wopbopwhatever... but I think people forget that Wine Spectator has a larger audience than just the wine geeks that post here. Personally, I think that any article that shows wine consumption to be a normal, and maybe even "cool" thing, helps the industry. Afterall, younger consumers (20 somethings) are bombarded with beer adds, which has to affect their consumption habits. But if they see their favorite rock singer with a glass of wine, that helps make it more acceptable for them to choose wine. Or it might make them thinnk to try it instead of a beer. Maybe I'm a bit jaded since I make and sell wine. But I like the idea that some guy out on a date thinks to order a bottle of wine because he read that Maynard collects and likes wine. Loring Wine Company |
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quote: No. But I do believe someone like, say, me who DOES flip to page 53 and reads that Maynard is an avid drinker/collector and who appreciates the music he performs may very likely pass this interesting information onto other tool fans. Who also might find it intriguing enough to try a glass or two next time dining out. Or what the hell maybe they'll just untwist a magnum of Nighttrain and get jiggy widdit. Or in the case of DHGOYINS, this tidbit may be passed on to kids and be a viable parent /kid discussion. *Note* I have no kids so this is conjecture. Assuming of course that these kids will wait till age 21 to explore the wonders of wine. funny wine quip goes here. |
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If I'm to believe that kids are greatly influenced by role models such as rock stars, then yes, I do think that articles that show those people enjoying wine as oppossed to smoking crack is a good thing. And as wino4ever points out, there are many ways the information from the article can get to young adult fans of Tool, without them buying the magazine.
More of these type articles please!!  Loring Wine Company |
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Wopbop (etc)
I think that your beer-drinking (and you mean you REALLY call Bud and Coors ... beer?), young fellow IS influeneced by such articles. I have noted that it is the genY ( or is it Z by now?), women are the ones I see browsing WS. Now I suspect that times haven't changed that much and what my girlfriend thought (when I was 20), was an influence. Wino4ever, Why are you denying access to wine to your children until 21? I believe that it is the education that children get in the home that influences their drinking habits for life. To be taught to use this powerful drug in a responsible manner, at home and by their parents. The arbitary drawing of a "line" so that at 20 years and 360 days it is denied, yet four days later ... wha-ho ... she's all on for young and old! ... is, to my mind, not a rational way of developing either a mature adult or a mature society. Far too much, IMO, in our liberal society, have we devolved parental responsibility to outside parties ... school, Scouts. Admittedly the pressures to make more money (whether to pay off the credit card debt or just to be seen as successful), seem to mean that parents have less time than ever before to spend with their children. |
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