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If I had the money I would buy a case and then give them away to homeless people - seriously.
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| Posts: 1258 | Location: Edmonton | Registered: Feb 06, 2007 | |
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quote: Originally posted by vintage:
Mailing list play directly into the male ego. Men always want to have the biggest house, fastest car, the prettiest wife/girlfriend, the best job, the most money, the best of everything, including the best wine.
Mailing list present you with a chance for exclusivity, as in, mine is better than yours and you can't have any. But I will let you have a sip of mine(just to show you what you are missing). I refuse to get sucked in and don't care to have those wines thrown in my face. It is nothing but showing off, IMHO.
Ypu really don't know what you're talking about. Your comments speak more about your own problems than those of anyone else. Find yourself a therapist. Good luck.
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quote: Originally posted by vintage:
Mailing list play directly into the male ego. Men always want to have the biggest house, fastest car, the prettiest wife/girlfriend, the best job, the most money, the best of everything, including the best wine.
Mailing list present you with a chance for exclusivity, as in, mine is better than yours and you can't have any. But I will let you have a sip of mine(just to show you what you are missing). I refuse to get sucked in and don't care to have those wines thrown in my face. It is nothing but showing off, IMHO. There is more great wine out there for me to choose from than I can ever possibly afford to buy.
It is just a marketing ploy to maximize the poducers profits. Usually, these guys do have to produce a good product, I am not questioning the quality. But they eliminate all middlemen, which is okay with me also. Then they create this limited availability thing, just like what the high end Bordeaux Chateau are doing. If they are successful at creating the illusion, then the sky is the limit on price. It is probably where Bordeaux got the idea from. I fail to see the difference. You refuse to let the French take advantage, but it's okay from American producers to do so.
I don't mean for this to sound so antagonistic, but I don't know how else to say it. You, and everyone else, is entitled to spend your money any way you wish, buy whatever you want any way you want. My rage is at the system, not any one person.
Talk about thread drift? Sorry!
Vintage: Typical woman. Generalize, turn everything into a gender war, and in the end turn out to be WRONG. Sorry to be so antagonistic.  How many women do you know who don't want the biggest house, fastest car, most hunky husband, the best job, the most money, the best of everything. And that is not to mention the greatest number of shoes.  Yes mailing lists CAN generate exclusivity. IF they are closed. But how many wines are sold to mailing list only? In the grand scheme of things, almost none. Which came first, the exclusivity or the demand? There's limited availability of ALL wines. Well, at least wines that winos would be interested in. Not to say that some don't try to make their wine appear less available or more exclusive. That is what marketing is all about, to try to avoid being classified as a commodity. Maximizing profits is good. If you are the producer. Bad if you are not. Your choice is to buy or not, no matter how twisted or wrong your reasoning might be. But Bordeaux producers getting the idea of high prices from American producers? Where did you come up with THAT one? What kind of parallel universe are YOU living in? And no, I will not buy this wine. Nor any other 2006 Bordeaux at this point in time. In the future? Who knows. Mothra |
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Ypu really don't know what you're talking about. Your comments speak more about your own problems than those of anyone else. Find yourself a therapist. Good luck.
I know what I am talking about. Obviously you don’t. Maybe you should find a therapist. A good woman could probably explain for free.
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How many women do you know who don't want the biggest house, fastest car, most hunky husband, the best job, the most money, the best of everything. And that is not to mention the greatest number of shoes.
If that is the kind of woman you want, or have, good luck. Everything you say she wants is materialistic.
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But Bordeaux producers getting the idea of high prices from American producers? Where did you come up with THAT one? What kind of parallel universe are YOU living in?
The context of the statement is mailing list. These are simply merchandising techniques to create demand by touting limited supply, and then raise prices. American mailing list wineries were doing this long Bordeaux came up with it’s own way of controlling supply to raise price. Americans did do it first.
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| Posts: 321 | Location: Dallas, Texas, USA | Registered: Mar 30, 2003 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Cellar_Fiend:
If I had the money I would buy a case and then give them away to homeless people - seriously.
If I had that kind of money I would take the 8,400 and help as many homeless people as I could get back on their feet and in a home.
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| Posts: 976 | Location: Longview, Texas | Registered: Aug 06, 2006 | |
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quote: Originally posted by James Suckling:
Would you spend $8,400 on 12 bottles of 2006 Cheval Blanc futures? That's the price.
The point of starting a thread like this one eludes me...but anyway.. I don't see you whining about paying more than 15k for 12 bottles of Screaming Eagle. Why? I'm waiting for an explantion. Are you going to start a thread for every over expensive bottles? Why talking only 1st growth and not include Harlan, Screaming Eagle etc....
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| Posts: 1196 | Location: Chicago | Registered: Sep 05, 2006 | |
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quote: If I had the money I would buy a case and then give them away to homeless people - seriously.
Just give them the money. Even they can find a better use for it. |
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| Posts: 321 | Location: Dallas, Texas, USA | Registered: Mar 30, 2003 | |
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quote: Originally posted by vintage:
I know what I am talking about. Obviously you don’t.
You don't. You're simply transfering your psychological imperfections on the posts of others. You wrote: "Mailing list play directly into the male ego. Men always want to have the biggest house, fastest car, the prettiest wife/girlfriend, the best job, the most money, the best of everything, including the best wine." That may be true for you, but it's not for me and most of the posters I know here. For you to claim otherwise is either uneducated or dishonest. My guess is the latter. Just because your insecurities lead you to believe that is no reason to superimpose them onto people of whom you have no actual knowledge. You've let us into your head, and it ain't pretty. You could use some serious professional help.
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quote: Originally posted by french16: quote: Originally posted by James Suckling:
Would you spend $8,400 on 12 bottles of 2006 Cheval Blanc futures? That's the price.
The point of starting a thread like this one eludes me...but anyway.. I don't see you whining about paying more than 15k for 12 bottles of Screaming Eagle. Why? I'm waiting for an explantion. Are you going to start a thread for every over expensive bottles? Why talking only 1st growth and not include Harlan, Screaming Eagle etc....
You can get 2 bottles of Harlan and 1 bottle of Leoville Barton for the same price as 1 bottle of Cheval Blanc. Now I have a question for you. Is that $775 bottle of Cheval Blanc really $700 better than the $75 bottle of Clos De Sarpe I am going to get? Is the Cheval Blanc really $708 better than a bottle of Leoville Barton. Is it really $700 better than a bottle of Montrose. Is it really $525 better than a bottle of Pavie? When you think about that, then you will see what people are disgusted with the vastly overpriced 1st growths.
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Law of supply and demand. If you had a winery and could sell your product for $200 a bottle, what would you do - price it at $50 so it would available to the common man? I doubt it. Each of us wants to sell what we're selling for as much as the market will bear, whether it's our home, cars, or wine. It does seem greedy but that's the way the world economy works.
Why can they get $500 for a first growth bottle? Because people are turned on by the idea of having something special. I doubt that by any objective measure one could say that those first growths are greater than the best wines of Italy, or five times as great as the best wines of America and other countries. It is largely ego that drives those prices. Some of the people who buy such prestige wines do so because they love wines and want the best and have so much discretionary income that there's no financial pain involved. Some are passionately into wine and strain their budget to buy a bottle or two - angry at the situation but unable to resist. But my guess is that most of those who buy at these inflated prices are rich people who want to show off. Maybe they like wines but don't really delve into the minutiae and treat a great wine like a religious experience like many of us forum members do.
I am a little angry at those prices but am having trouble figuring out who to be mad at.
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quote: Originally posted by PetiteSyrahFan:
My 2006 list will be:
Pontet Canet
Montrose
Clos De Sarpe
Leoville Barton
PSF: Good choices. Indeed not '1st Growths', however great wines in many vintages and at a much better price. However, even these I notice are quickly creeping up. I've had the Montrose's 'second' wine wine, a '96, and it was utterly beautiful.  |
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| Posts: 7065 | Location: Montreal, QC | Registered: Feb 17, 2007 | |
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quote: Originally posted by James Suckling:
Would you spend $8,400 on 12 bottles of 2006 Cheval Blanc futures? That's the price.
James: I like the idea of spending $2472.00 on a case of the '04 Cheval Blanc (which you rated 95-100) with plenty of pocket change left over. Personally, like many others, I'm through with the big bordeaux names post '03. |
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| Posts: 7065 | Location: Montreal, QC | Registered: Feb 17, 2007 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Board-O:
You've let us into your head, and it ain't pretty. You could use some serious professional help.
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| Posts: 871 | Location: Toronto | Registered: Jan 12, 2004 | |
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quote: Originally posted by PetiteSyrahFan: quote: Originally posted by french16: quote: Originally posted by James Suckling:
Would you spend $8,400 on 12 bottles of 2006 Cheval Blanc futures? That's the price.
The point of starting a thread like this one eludes me...but anyway.. I don't see you whining about paying more than 15k for 12 bottles of Screaming Eagle. Why? I'm waiting for an explantion. Are you going to start a thread for every over expensive bottles? Why talking only 1st growth and not include Harlan, Screaming Eagle etc....
You can get 2 bottles of Harlan and 1 bottle of Leoville Barton for the same price as 1 bottle of Cheval Blanc. Now I have a question for you. Is that $775 bottle of Cheval Blanc really $700 better than the $75 bottle of Clos De Sarpe I am going to get? Is the Cheval Blanc really $708 better than a bottle of Leoville Barton. Is it really $700 better than a bottle of Montrose. Is it really $525 better than a bottle of Pavie? When you think about that, then you will see what people are disgusted with the vastly overpriced 1st growths.
Personally I don't see any difference between a $400 bottle and a $2000 bottle. I won't buy any of those. I'm disgusted with a lot of wineries who are overcharging their wines. But having 452 threads on the price of 1st growths is quite boring and useless. There will always be some people to buy them regardless of the price.
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| Posts: 1196 | Location: Chicago | Registered: Sep 05, 2006 | |
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quote: You don't. You're simply transfering your psychological imperfections on the posts of others. You wrote:
"Mailing list play directly into the male ego. Men always want to have the biggest house, fastest car, the prettiest wife/girlfriend, the best job, the most money, the best of everything, including the best wine."
That may be true for you, but it's not for me and most of the posters I know here. For you to claim otherwise is either uneducated or dishonest. My guess is the latter. Just because your insecurities lead you to believe that is no reason to superimpose them onto people of whom you have no actual knowledge. You've let us into your head, and it ain't pretty. You could use some serious professional help.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have made no claims nor accusations about anyone, including you. You took it all personal. I am entitled to my opinion, as are you. Several of the posters on this board know me personally and will attest to my integrity. You have no right to attack me publically, not knowing me. While I am confident in my opinions, they are just that, my opinions. Lighten up! |
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| Posts: 321 | Location: Dallas, Texas, USA | Registered: Mar 30, 2003 | |
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Another fales statement. "I have made no claims nor accusations about anyone" You sure did. You said that people who are interesetd in these wines have that interest because of male ego. Where's that ignore button? It has nothing to do with male ego or wanting a big car. It has to do with wanting to have and enjoy the finest examples of the winemaker's art. You're reading your own motives into this, not ours.
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What I said:
Mailing list play directly into the male ego. Men always want to have the biggest house, fastest car, the prettiest wife/girlfriend, the best job, the most money, the best of everything, including the best wine.
What you read:
Another fales statement. "I have made no claims nor accusations about anyone" You sure did. You said that people who are interesetd in these wines have that interest because of male ego. Where's that ignore button?
I don’t see your or anybody’s name mentioned here. It is just my opinion. You took it personal. Just because I said it does not make it so. I am sorry you took offense at my opinion, but I am entitled to it. Do you really want to try to change my opinion by attacking me personally?
You know, all I did was state an opinion. You took offense. I have apologized for offending you. It was not my intent to do so and I grow weary of your bluster. To continue the conversation is useless. You can continue to rant all you want, but I am out of here.
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| Posts: 321 | Location: Dallas, Texas, USA | Registered: Mar 30, 2003 | |
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quote: Originally posted by french16:
The point of starting a thread like this one eludes me...but anyway..
The purpose of starting a thread is to begin a dialogue. It appears from the post and view count that the purpose has been achieved. quote: I don't see you whining about paying more than 15k for 12 bottles of Screaming Eagle. Why? I'm waiting for an explantion.
James Suckling reviews the wines of Bordeaux for WS, not the wines of California. Unfortunately, his counterpart for that region, James Laube chooses not to participate here too much. Also your comparison of Screagle secondary market pricing and Cheval Blanc release pricing is misleading. PH |
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| Posts: 9625 | Location: Maryland, USA (DC suburbs) | Registered: Nov 22, 2003 | |
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I would love to buy some 2006 Bdx futures as my twins were born last year, BUT I just can not bring myself to buy at this price level. I have nothing against anyone in the Bdx wine trade and will buy again when i think quality and price merit.
You are a savvy Bordeaux buyer indeed!! - James Suckling
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| Posts: 363 | Location: Ponte Vedra Beach, FL | Registered: Aug 13, 2002 | |
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quote: Originally posted by vintage: I understand the HSS is a prestige wine that always draws universal high praise from all. It is stll a $200 + bottle of fermented grape juice. I refuse to get on mailing list. It somehow seems so demeaning to wait in line to be forced to buy something. Once you get there, then you have to buy it every year, good or bad. I know it is the rage now to have something that virtually no one else has. BFD! I will not demean myself just so I show off the most with my friends. We are all entitled to our opinions, this just happens to be mine.
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It actually goes both ways when it comes to having "egos"..
There are some people out there who enjoy the exclusivity of the mailing list. Fine. But I really doubt you can include alot of the guys in this forum who wouldn't hesitate in sharing that bottle for everyone else to try. We share wine for the love helping everyone experience different things. Look at all the offlines, people bring all kinds of bottles from 30$-100+, but everyone always has a good time. Where's the ego in that?
On the flip side, "people on mailing list have egos". Sounds awfully like many "Holier than thou" attitudes I've seen.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but try not to sound too contradictory when you sound like the very person you're commenting about.
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