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He was met with a "snide" comment for very good reasons. If you hold yourself up to be a "journalist" then be one. Anyone can have a blog. It's not special. Nor are you deserving any special treatment because of it. Come here looking for it and you will get your just rewards. -------------------- "One may dislike carrots, spinach, beetroot, or the skin on hot milk. But not wine. It is like hating the air that one breathes, since each is equally indispensable." Marcel Ayme` |
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Hey Wineismylife (Joe),
You were right about one thing, but wrong on everything else. You were right that I know absolutely nothing about the members of this forum. How can I when the majority hide under the convenient cloak of identity? Maybe I need to dump this handle using my real identity and come back later using an anonymous one so it would be easier for me to bash other members without suffering any consequences. Seems like a chicken shit thing to do, but hey - - if majority rules... Now the things you were wrong about: First of all, I don't have a amateur career. I am a paid freelance writer. Second,it's probably not wise for you to say that I "drive up sales of cheap wines out of my store" because the majority of the wines I do sell, the Wine Spectator has been very generous with the points and therefore, they are not cheap wines. And third, and most important: I would never kick you out of my store. And as you stated, I am also looking forward to meeting you in person the next time you are in Walla Walla. In fact, I would be happy to buy you a glass of wine. Cheers, C~ http://wildwallawallawinewoman.blogspot.com |
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But if you did that, how could you shill your wares through links to your site? Unfortunately a number of the high and mighty "bloggers" just get their panties in a bunch when the obvious is pointed out. Have a glass of wine, straighten out your undies and deal with it. -------------------- "One may dislike carrots, spinach, beetroot, or the skin on hot milk. But not wine. It is like hating the air that one breathes, since each is equally indispensable." Marcel Ayme` |
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What are those "very good reasons?" I went back over his initial post under the PCLB thread and see absolutely nothing there that was deserving of snideness. It seems more a case of addressing the poster rather than the post, which I covered previously.
You are correct that anyone can have a blog. And I agree that a blogger deserves no special treatment just because of that. But it is equally as true that anyone can post to a message board like this. And someone who posts on a message board, no matter how many posts they write, does not deserve any special treatment either. It is the content of the writing that matters. |
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Dear Mr. Ass, Is your name wineismylife (joe) or are you speaking out his ass? Not quite sure you get it, but even if you don't, its not important what you get. But at this time, there is no law against me freelancing and selling wine. And sorry, my panties aren't in a bunch. Not sure whose skirt you are looking under... But hey, I would also be happy to buy you a glass of wine, too if you're ever in the area. Cheers, C~ http://wildwallawallawinewoman.blogspot.com |
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Catie,
I was expecting your post in the this thread since Robert decided to lock the scammer thread. I had a distinct feeling you are the type of person not to leave anything on the table, ever. That's probably why you registered on another site I frequent as well. Please feel free to contribute both there and here in a positive manner and you'll find me to be more than welcoming as a result. If you did know anything about the members of this forum then you'd know that there is a pretty high percentage that actually know each other outside of this forum. We may be using handles but most of us are not hiding behind them. We know each other's real names, where each of of us lives, significant others names, dined and sipped wine together, attended weddings of our children and regrettably funerals of a few. It's a community. This is why a core group here can be very snippy when somebody shows up for 1 to a small handful of posts only to make negative and typically unfounded comments in our community only to vanish into the woodwork like cockroaches never to be seen from again. No, I didn't know you have actually been paid for freelance writings. It appears to me on the surface you were only an aspiring wine blogger that began your career 2 years ago according to your wine blog. Yes, I thought you were selling cheap wines in your new store because you say insomuch on your website that many if not most are for $25.00 and under. Sure, some are rating 90 and above by Wine Spectator. So what? Does points have anything to do with price? The price is the price. If it's cheap, it's cheap. I'd be more than happy to share a glass of wine with you. Just be sure and don't open anything cheap.   Joe ----- Wine is like potato chips around me...if it's open, it's gone. |
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Uhmmm it's the internet. If you don't want people responding, then clam up. Otherwise, I'll respond as I see fit. In your case, a small dose of derision is certainly warranted. Stop being a shill, and you won't get called out for it. <guess that won't happen> You sure your panties aren't twisted. I find I get a little irritable when my thong rides up...... -------------------- "One may dislike carrots, spinach, beetroot, or the skin on hot milk. But not wine. It is like hating the air that one breathes, since each is equally indispensable." Marcel Ayme` |
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Trust me. Gigond Ass and I are definitely two different people and he has not been anywhere near my a$$ since last November.  Joe ----- Wine is like potato chips around me...if it's open, it's gone. |
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How would you know since you hide behind a screen name? BTW, as I remember we got uncomfortably close during the cab ride from Salumi...... -------------------- "One may dislike carrots, spinach, beetroot, or the skin on hot milk. But not wine. It is like hating the air that one breathes, since each is equally indispensable." Marcel Ayme` |
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I haven't read the whole snit, but Catie in a temper? That's pretty hard to do. And impressive ... you go, girl!
 WIML, I understand your point of view. I never let anything under $4.99 touch my lips. Unless it's Chateau la Merde, in which case it's clearly a QPR. We have to have standards. |
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You call that uncomfortable close? tbird was playing ride the pogo stick. Can it get any closer than that? Joe ----- Wine is like potato chips around me...if it's open, it's gone. |
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In the end the proof is in the pudding. If people sign up here and contribute in a regular, positive manner across the forum sections then they are welcomed with open arms and sought out to participate in offlines, for advice and the like. If they sign up and make their first post a negative post against WS, this forum or one of it's members OR blatantly post links to their blog, retail site, products they shill, etc... they are ceremoniously singled out and asked in not so nice of terms to leave, quickly. That's simply the way it is on most wine forum. Joe ----- Wine is like potato chips around me...if it's open, it's gone. |
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Found this interesting blog post on the subject of identity on the internet.
http://ilykadamen.blogspot.com/2006/10/and-you-will-kno...my-real-name-at.html I've said many times that I don't care what name people choose to post under. The simple fact is, I've met several forum members in real life. I was told their real names, and in most cases promptly forgot them. It doesn't matter what their real name is, it's who they are that counts. I can tell way more by a user's post count than I can by what name they choose to post under. If it walks like a troll and talks like a troll, it's probably a troll. http://scmwine.wikispaces.com http://scmwine.blogspot.com http://blogs.sun.com/davetong http://twitter.com/davetong |
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http://scmwine.wikispaces.com http://scmwine.blogspot.com http://blogs.sun.com/davetong http://twitter.com/davetong |
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(catie) so the wine you sell you can not cellar!!!! think about what i just said !!!!!!!!!! you say in your web site on your returns only 10 day's!  |
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How to spot a troll here.
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Bez780, I will cellar the wine as long as the buyer needs. I remain flexible due to temperatures or if the buyer is out of town and cannot be available for signature.
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God to see you here! This Ass guy is not someone who is going to listen to any reasonable discourse. He's "responded" to my posts with nothing constructive or positive. I've blocked his responses so I've no idea what he is saying about me now. Ironically, the trolls like him in this forum are lambasting all bloggers, regardless of how well those bloggers are regarded by the media of which they are fans - including WS - as well as by wineries whose products they consume and discuss. In that way, they've done no research whatsoever on the context of our posts, which is exactly what they're criticizing us for (not) doing. Hence the irony. In the case of my PLCB post, I didn't mention the offline research that I'm doing, because it isn't relevant to my request (and in fact could influence the responses so I deliberately omitted it). I do of course realize that not all WS forum members are negative trolls. I have in fact been encouraged by some of them to stay active in the community. The trouble is, the community doesn't seem to be properly policed. It allows a band of malicious miscreants to attack any stranger and judge them immediately based not on their contribution to the global wine community as a whole, but on completely arbitrary criteria (# of forum posts, etc.). Disturbingly, this may have been tolerated for so long that to the members of this forum it appears to be normal behavior. But it is not tolerated in most other forums, in my experience. Maintaining a blinkered, closed view of who and who isn't welcomed is not a community. It's a tribe. The tribal bullies cannot be reasoned with, and I'm not going to try. I'm just going to add those users to the Ignore list in my profile and carry on with what I'm doing. While I very much appreciate your defense of what I'm doing, I think it's not the best use of your time. I fear it will fall on deaf ears. www.1WineDude.com |
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Well, three days over here and you already have everybody figured out. And out come the calls to change the site to fit your vision. While I rarely attack anyone or anything, I have no use for idiots, so you should probably add me to your ignore list too. With skin that thin, you certainly won't have much left to read by the end of the week. Moo I'm a dairy heir. Think about how stupid the average person is. Then realize that half the people are stupider than THAT. By definition 50% of the population is below the median intelligence level and all it takes to get elected is 50% + 1 vote. |
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Man, talk about a negative post. You're really ingratiating yourself to the community. Joe ----- Wine is like potato chips around me...if it's open, it's gone. |
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Joe - I don't mean to offend you, but at this point I feel I've earned the right to speak my mind about how I've been treated on the forum. My first post was a criticism - not an attack - of how WS handled the Goldstein issue. My subsequent posts **clearly show me taking WS' side** on Goldstein's ruse, but also letting them know that there are people in the wine world who want to know more about how the editors will examine their awards process. Those posts have been ignored by the trolls in the forum. I've been quoted out of context several times, because it served the interests of the malicious members of the forum. Criticism <> attack. You have people on this forum who not only attack, they consider it a badge of honor... www.1WineDude.com |
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